R.I.P Ghislaine Maxwell for next week. ...........................

5 hours ago, twocatsmac said:

I’ve watched the 4 part documentary of Epstein and whilst not condoning any illegal actions, the women making claims against him are 100% dollar led.

They’d attend a party at one of his mansions and attest to abuse and tell of an escape, then when asked by the interviewer

 “when did you see him again” (Epstein)

They’d say “oh, he rang so I went round again a couple days later”

 

 

 

Funny, I watched the same series on nflix and the main conclusion I came to was Epstein and maxwell are scum.

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Bluespunk

1 hour ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Flight logs show that Trump flew on the Lolita Express at least once and that Clinton flew on it many times.  However, aside from the one girl who claimed that Trump raped her and then withdrew the charges after receiving death threats from Trump supporters, none of the girls on the flights testified that either of them committed any improprieties.

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/what-the-unsealed-epstein-documents-reveal-about-trump.html

Your source link has no mention I believe of trump supporters making death threats

From the Ghislaine, did he slip and fall, was he pushed, did he jump ?

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

If she needs money and wants to stay out of prison—she’ll squeal.  And Bill and Hillary Clinton will leave the country suddenly.

Everyone will just deny her claims,unless of course, the victims can corroborate  her testimony of abuse.

I see no problem of the rich and famous hanging out together, having dinner, taking pics, drinks ,sporting activities, charity events,it happens all the time.  When the kinky stuff happens thats when many social distance from each other!

The timing of this arrest is certainly interesting...

slowly chip chip chipping away at it...

 

 

A troll post and reply removed

Just Ghis us the video stash and let's see what "heroes" don't sweat????

20 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The timing of this arrest is certainly interesting...

Immediately after the removal of SDNY Berman, shows how high up the corruption is?

Be interesting to see how this develops, be a lot of people with very twitchy bottoms, these people were not only into "underage" children, if you want evidence of how twisted they are look at Epstein's art collection - strange, if you want really weird look at Podesta "art" collection! - sick, sick people.

2 hours ago, giddyup said:

I don't regard 16-17 year olds as "children", the age of consent is 16 in many countries. If the experience was so horrific as they claim, why did many of them keep going back for more over many years?

What matters is the age of consent in the jurisdiction to which the investigation relates and the ages of all those allegedly raped or sexually abused.

 

 

15 minutes ago, CGW said:

Immediately after the removal of SDNY Berman, shows how high up the corruption is?

Be interesting to see how this develops, be a lot of people with very twitchy bottoms, these people were not only into "underage" children, if you want evidence of how twisted they are look at Epstein's art collection - strange, if you want really weird look at Podesta "art" collection! - sick, sick people.

Wasn't that nitwit alex jones and he is a nitwit, floating conspiracy theories of this kinda of stuff with  important people and underage...

2 hours ago, giddyup said:

I don't regard 16-17 year olds as "children", the age of consent is 16 in many countries. If the experience was so horrific as they claim, why did many of them keep going back for more over many years?

So you find it ok that a 50-something years old man pays 12-16 year old girls  for sexual acts? 

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What matters is the age of consent in the jurisdiction to which the investigation relates and the ages of all those allegedly raped or sexually abused.

 

 

Girls can marry as young as 12 with parents permission in Massachusetts and 13 in New Hampshire, so there's a bit of a double standard going on.

2 hours ago, giddyup said:

She'll only name nobodies, if anyone at all.

I am HIGHLY skeptical of all this. I think if the CIA/FBI....BBC.....wanted to find her they could have at pretty much any time....No, I think deals have been made, <deleted> covered....this will be a nicely orchestrated trial for the media and sheeple. The people that literally control this planet are the ones that would fall, in a fair world....think it matters if Clinton or Trump are president?  Its all a facade. I hope I am wrong.

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by 248900_1469958220

11 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So you find it ok that a 50-something years old man pays 12-16 year old girls  for sexual acts? 

Don't put words in my mouth, I said I don't regard 16-17 year olds as children.

1 minute ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

I am HIGHLY skeptical of all this. I think if the CIA/FBI....BBC.....wanted to find her they could have at pretty much any time....No, I think deals have been made, <deleted> covered....this will be a nicely orchestrated trial for the media and sheeple. I hope I am wrong.

The government did a deal with Epstein at his first trial, giving him 13 months in jail, keeping the deal secret from his accusers, allowing him out every day, and giving him free rein when he was parolled. People talk about corrupt Thai police, not sure they are any better in the USA.

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

I don't regard 16-17 year olds as "children", the age of consent is 16 in many countries. If the experience was so horrific as they claim, why did many of them keep going back for more over many years?

They ranged from 12 years old to 16 and the reason why they kept going back is because the pimps kept taking them back

4 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Girls can marry as young as 12 with parents permission in Massachusetts and 13 in New Hampshire, so there's a bit of a double standard going on.

You seem to be hell bent on defending paedophile behaviour

 I wonder why? 

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

They ranged from 12 years old to 16 and the reason why they kept going back is because the pimps kept taking them back

They were procured by other schoolgirls who said they could earn a quick buck and went willingly, not in chains. Some of those same girls visited him regularly for years. Show me evidence that he molested 12 year olds.

9 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Don't put words in my mouth, I said I don't regard 16-17 year olds as children.

But that’s not relevant, is it? 
What is relevant is: do we find it ok that a 50ish y.o. man pays 12-16 y.o. girls for sexual acts. What’s your opinion? 

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

16 is legal in Europe ........ 15 is still legal in France, until a year or so back 13 was legal in Spain.

Depends on your 'puritan' background, morality is just a function of geography.

 

America is a funny country, you dress your underage girls as sex objects (cheerleaders), then act all outraged when someone bangs them!

 

while I kind of agree with the facts of what is and what is not underage in some legal jurisdictions, having brought up two daughters, I can tell you that the vast majority of Western 16 year old girls are indeed children, maybe not legally, but certainly emotionally and intellectually, unformed, highly influenced by what they, their friends and social media say is 'cool', a pain in the ass, susceptible to false flattery, volatile at times and emotionally unstable most of the time.  Any adult grooming them for sex is indeed a paedophile, regardless of what the law may say and that goes for men over the age of 21. An age gap of 5 years at 16 is light years away from that same age gap between adults in their later years.  

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Pilotman

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

I don't regard 16-17 year olds as "children", the age of consent is 16 in many countries. If the experience was so horrific as they claim, why did many of them keep going back for more over many years?

 

Hmmm... I'm not going to draw conclusions over the six who 'liked' your post.

Let's just put it this way. 16 & 17 year olds can be vulnerable, even if they don't think so at the time.

They can also be easily corrupted. Would you have said no to US$1000 when you were sixteen to do a favour for an older woman?

So who is guilty, the child who was easily corrupted or the one who knowingly corrupts?

 

I can speak from experience. I ran away from home at 15. So was somewhat vulnerable.

Though, I hold no grudges against the woman/women involved. Especially as the women involved didn't really require me to do anything. They seemed more interested in me being happy.

I even had a girlfriend at the time. We would stay together on the weekend in the second bedroom of the West End apartment. Everything was provided. Money, clothes, jewellery.

But the weekends were for my girlfriend. Woman involved asked what she could do to make it exclusive.

I guess for me the difference was that I actually ended up living with the woman, as tensions began to develop at another place I stayed. So she came to pick me up and I went to live with her. 

So not the same experience as just being used. 

But the point being that teenagers can be easily corrupted and we as adults shouldn't take advantage of that.

I should point out that the woman/women in my scenario were in their twenties. So it wasn't like creepy old women or anything like that.

But it was a bit uncomfortable when you are trying to watch TV, with a woman on either side of you, intent on distracting you.

 

Perhaps it's different because I am a man. I just get on with it, rather than trying to blame everything on my past.

So I don't automatically dismiss their stories, just because they were pulled into the party scene by Ghislane.

I know a bit about those people and their lifestyle. 

 

 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Eindhoven

Just now, Eindhoven said:

Would you have said no to US$1000 when you were sixteen to do a favour to an older woman?

I wouldn't say no now .......... age 64.

What does she want doing, light changed, hedge trimmed?

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by BritManToo

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

But that’s not relevant, is it? 
What is relevant is: do we find it ok that a 50ish y.o. man pays 12-16 y.o. girls for sexual acts. What’s your opinion? 

Where do you get 12 year olds from? Show me proof that he molested 12 year olds.

Without making too fine a point of it....you are always going to see arguments, as many aren't above coercing people, adults or otherwise, into doing them favours for cash.

 

31 minutes ago, riclag said:

Wasn't that nitwit alex jones and he is a nitwit, floating conspiracy theories of this kinda of stuff with  important people and underage...

No idea, i take it you never bothered to look at the "art" work and formed your own opinion rather than relying on others?

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What if they've already been having sex with all comers from the age of 12?

That was the argument that the Police and social workers in Rotherham, UK used to justify doing nothing about the sexual abuse of minors that had been going on for years.  'They are just slags' was the ignorant argument. Its a despicable argument to even suggest, about vulnerable children and should be condemned by all right minded people. 

Just now, giddyup said:

Where do you get 12 year olds from? Show me proof that he molested 12 year olds.

 

Why is it that you are so defensive? The figure may be 14 years old. Does that make a difference to you? Is 14 ok, but 12 not?

12 minutes ago, Peterhua said:

You seem to be hell bent on defending paedophile behaviour

 I wonder why? 

I'm pointing out the disparity and the hypocrisy of the law.