Hundreds of scientists say coronavirus is airborne, ask WHO to revise recommendations: NYT

[johnpetersen]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Competent leadership does not lead to a jurisdiction being the worse hot spot of COVID-19 on the planet. But thanks for a good laugh.

This is like saying competent soldiers don't get shot. When you're the first one facing an enemy, you're going to take more casualties. That's inevitable. There's a learning curve involved. But if other commanders refuse to learn from that experience and actually authorize tactics which are doomed to fail, that's inexcusable.

We actually had the governors of Texas and Florida and Arizona forbid localities from ordering the wearing of masks. And a president who hosts events where wearing masks is an option.

You know, it's been shown that great apes and dolphins learn from the experiences of their fellow creatures. It would be nice to have a president and governors who could rise to that level.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Where do you get your virus knowledge from.

Probably trump.

[Phoenix Rising]

4 hours ago, Matzzon said:

 

Out of the 2 post above you seem to be very unaware of the news related to learning. Already at an early stage of the pandemic it was informed of that the virus can spread through air for about 10-20 meters in small droplets. In other words, they learned nothing new. They just want 15 minutes of fame by repeating what´s already known. No news at all.

There's a huge difference between droplets and viral particles. Do try to educate yourself before posting such egg-on-face posts and you'll save yourself some embarrassment:

 

'239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne'

 

"The W.H.O. has resisted mounting evidence that viral particles floating indoors are infectious, some scientists say. The agency maintains the research is still inconclusive."

 

 

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, NumbNut said:

^^^ This needs repeating. If you're out and about wear a mask. It's not about you, it's about everyone else you may come into contact with while you're out.

 

Personally, I don't know how I would live with myself if I should discover in the future that I was responsible for unknowingly giving someone the coronavirus... isn't it better to err on the side of caution?

Exactly. If you care one bit about your family, friends and the general public you wear a mask. It costs you nothing and it might save lives.

If, by this stage, you're not wearing one you are without a doubt a complete **** - simple as that.

[Matzzon]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

There's a huge difference between droplets and viral particles. Do try to educate yourself before posting such egg-on-face posts and you'll save yourself some embarrassment:

 

'239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne'

 

"The W.H.O. has resisted mounting evidence that viral particles floating indoors are infectious, some scientists say. The agency maintains the research is still inconclusive."

 

 

The only embarrassing is to read your post! Not embarrassing actually, it down right SAD!

In my world a particle that can move through a room or a droplet that can move 10-20 meter is exactly same. I can get infected, and better wear a mask, right?

Maybe it´s just that I am a little bit more down to earth than you are. Now see to that you read your link a lot of times, so that you can explain the scientific difference for me. At the end it will still be the same, though. You can get infected.

Go have a nice day now! ???? 

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The WHO has said the coronavirus disease spreads primarily from person to person through small droplets from the nose or mouth, which are expelled when a person with COVID-19 coughs, sneezes or speaks.

 

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Whether carried by large droplets that zoom through the air after a sneeze, or by much smaller exhaled droplets that may glide the length of a room, the coronavirus is borne through air and can infect people when inhaled, the scientists said, according to the NYT.

 

the who says "the virus spreads primarily through the air in small droplets when person coughs, sneezes or speaks."

 

the scientists say "no! you're worng!  the virus spreads in the air after a sneeze!"

 

 

well, okay then.  would you also like to confirm the world is not flat?

[Eindhoven]

4 hours ago, Matzzon said:

 

Out of the 2 post above you seem to be very unaware of the news related to learning. Already at an early stage of the pandemic it was informed of that the virus can spread through air for about 10-20 meters in small droplets. In other words, they learned nothing new. They just want 15 minutes of fame by repeating what´s already known. No news at all.

 

I cannot believe four peopleactually liked your post!

The news is not that it is airborne. The news is Hundreds of scientists say coronavirus is airborne, ask WHO to revise recommendations

But why bother to pay attention to that salient fact, when you can make a sensational statement(that makes no sense when you actually read the headline)?

 

 

[johnpetersen]

6 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

And the *experts* continue to make it up as they go.

I remember when it was believed that ulcers were caused by stress and there wasn't a cure for it. Then a scientist claimed that actually ulcers were caused by bacteria and antibiotics could cure them. I guess he made that up too. And all the people who believe that they were cured were just kidding themsleves. Science is about advancing knowledge. And that means challenging assumptions. If you want timeless truths, stick to religion.

[Eindhoven]

25 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The only embarrassing is to read your post! Not embarrassing actually, it down right SAD!

In my world a particle that can move through a room or a droplet that can move 10-20 meter is exactly same. I can get infected, and better wear a mask, right?

Maybe it´s just that I am a little bit more down to earth than you are. Now see to that you read your link a lot of times, so that you can explain the scientific difference for me. At the end it will still be the same, though. You can get infected.

Go have a nice day now! ???? 

You seem to really like to argue. But it helps if you actually get the gist of the article in the first place:

 

Quote

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

The World Health Organization has long held that the coronavirus is spread primarily by large respiratory droplets that, once expelled by infected people in coughs and sneezes, fall quickly to the floor.

 

So, once again, the news is about the scientists trying to get the W.H.O. to change their recommendations.

Now what is it that you are not understanding?

 

[elliss]

 

 WHO,  has lost all credibility .

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by elliss

[steven100]

56 minutes ago, NumbNut said:

^^^ This needs repeating. If you're out and about wear a mask. It's not about you, it's about everyone else you may come into contact with while you're out.

 

Personally, I don't know how I would live with myself if I should discover in the future that I was responsible for unknowingly giving someone the coronavirus... isn't it better to err on the side of caution?

correct  ...... it's just common sense to wear a mask.  The person near you coughs or sneezes and you have a mask on, then your less likely to be infected. 

Why can't people understand that simple equation. !!

[Eindhoven]

Just now, steven100 said:

correct  ...... it's just common sense to wear a mask.  The person near you coughs or sneezes and you have a mask on, then your less likely to be infected. 

Why can't people understand that simple equation. !!

 

It helps especially if both have masks on.

[johnpetersen]

50 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The only embarrassing is to read your post! Not embarrassing actually, it down right SAD!

In my world a particle that can move through a room or a droplet that can move 10-20 meter is exactly same. I can get infected, and better wear a mask, right?

Maybe it´s just that I am a little bit more down to earth than you are. Now see to that you read your link a lot of times, so that you can explain the scientific difference for me. At the end it will still be the same, though. You can get infected.

Go have a nice day now! ???? 

The article isn't clear but there is a big difference. "Airborne" isn't just about particles moving through the air. It means that they can stay suspended floating about in the air a long time. What's more, over time these tiny particles will accumulate. Droplets and such are more like projectiles. If they don't hit their target they'll fall to the ground.

Edited July 6, 2020 by johnpetersen

[Phoenix Rising]

54 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The only embarrassing is to read your post! Not embarrassing actually, it down right SAD!

In my world a particle that can move through a room or a droplet that can move 10-20 meter is exactly same. I can get infected, and better wear a mask, right?

Maybe it´s just that I am a little bit more down to earth than you are. Now see to that you read your link a lot of times, so that you can explain the scientific difference for me. At the end it will still be the same, though. You can get infected.

Go have a nice day now! ???? 

For the scientists it's a real and important distinction but for you it's not. Got it!

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Probably trump.

or..Marvel comics....my money is on Marvel as they seem to "power" the internet these days.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Odysseus123

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

While most people, if not all in Thailand are wearing face masks, many countries has ditched them long ago and for go social distancing and use of alcogel and the results shows, when will they wake up that this is not a snuffle and some sort of a cold and take it seriously until a vaccine will be found and available...

Face masks would prevent against water droplets but not the fine particles discussed here, surely?

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Exactly. If you care one bit about your family, friends and the general public you wear a mask. It costs you nothing and it might save lives.

If, by this stage, you're not wearing one you are without a doubt a complete **** - simple as that.

I have just spoken to a doctor- as part of some online exam preparation.  He just smiled at the notion that a mask is needed in outdoor situations, although he said that a triple lined mask is possibly useful indoors.  Maybe, he is a complete **** , but I doubt it.

[Matzzon]

24 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

For the scientists it's a real and important distinction but for you it's not. Got it!

But the information was in the news for regular people, right? Did YOU get THAT? Or is The Nation now a scientific magazine? Oh, wait now... Hmmmm, don´t bother to reply on that.

[Matzzon]

50 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

You seem to really like to argue. But it helps if you actually get the gist of the article in the first place:

 

 

So, once again, the news is about the scientists trying to get the W.H.O. to change their recommendations.

Now what is it that you are not understanding?

 

What I started with was that this is not news. The knowledge that the virus can spread by air for a limited distance was know before it was called a pandemic. That´s what I started with, then some posters take it further, and I reply. Why I reply, is that I still talk about the information in my first post. Not something the rest have added during the way.

[Phoenix Rising]

7 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

I have just spoken to a doctor- as part of some online exam preparation.  He just smiled at the notion that a mask is needed in outdoor situations, although he said that a triple lined mask is possibly useful indoors.  Maybe, he is a complete **** , but I doubt it.

Or maybe not very informed on the matter. He's a doctor, right? A doctor doesn't equal a scientist.

 

PS. If you look hard enough you're still gonna find doctors who will say that smoking is not unhealthy. Heck, they might even smile when they say it.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

 

I cannot believe four peopleactually liked your post!

The news is not that it is airborne. The news is Hundreds of scientists say coronavirus is airborne, ask WHO to revise recommendations

But why bother to pay attention to that salient fact, when you can make a sensational statement(that makes no sense when you actually read the headline)?

 

 

What you can´t believe is actually quite irrelevant for this thread.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

What you can´t believe is actually quite irrelevant for this thread.

One's beliefs is actually what one expresses in one's posts so tell me again how that is irrelevant for any thread??

[Phoenix Rising]

18 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Face masks would prevent against water droplets but not the fine particles discussed here, surely?

Relevance? Are you implying that since some masks might not protect you from the viral particles but only from droplets you should not wear a mask at all??

[Matzzon]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

One's beliefs is actually what one expresses in one's posts so tell me again how that is irrelevant for any thread??

As you surely read it was connected to a poster and his post. What is expressed in a thread about the thread is relevant. What you believe about other posters likes and dislikes is irrelevant, due to that they can´t care less. Easy enough so you can understand it now?

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

As you surely read it was connected to a poster and his post. What is expressed in a thread about the thread is relevant. What you believe about other posters likes and dislikes is irrelevant, due to that they can´t care less. Easy enough so you can understand it now?

I couldn't care less.

[natway09]

I must be missing something here.

We are told that the virus needs a "carrier like a droplet or some similar kind of mass to piggy back on.

There must be a minimum size "droplet" so why have they not tested this under normal conditions to see just how far it can travel. All of the world has gravity so must go down.

While on this subject they suggest fans to move the air around which would to me only help in moving it further

 

[johnpetersen]

28 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

I have just spoken to a doctor- as part of some online exam preparation.  He just smiled at the notion that a mask is needed in outdoor situations, although he said that a triple lined mask is possibly useful indoors.  Maybe, he is a complete **** , but I doubt it.

Wow. A doctor. He wears a white coat just like a scientist. But I doubt that your doctor is an expert in virology and epidemiology.

[Purdey]

Fortunately, scientists work on the premise that while studying something they learn more. This does mean they change their minds or add more information. Unlike sofa internet jockeys. 

[Meat Pie 47]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

And the *experts* continue to make it up as they go.

Yes that includes Dr. Trump

[Matzzon]

36 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I couldn't care less.

So, why did you care from start then. Next time, just move on from the things you can´t comprehend.