14 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The avalanche of ad hominem attacks on her

Nobody is attacking Greta, the attacks are on her handlers and those putting forward scripted children to get their politics across in a way that they can shut down any counter arguments. They are using an autistic child so that anybody who criticizes her assertions can be accused of attacking an autistic child. HTH

Edited July 17, 20205 yr by mokwit

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Does it matter who is addressing climate change if you accept that climate change needs addressing. She is a voice amongst many and she getting the attention from fans and critics. The avalanche of ad hominem attacks on her are unnecessary and you seem to enjoy that too. What happen BB? If you don’t like her  message, just ignore and don’t join in those conspiracy theorists nutters. You are better than that. 

 

What I really don't like, approve of, and get very annoyed about, is the misuse of someone with mental challenges. In this case autism. I find it repulsive that anyone, let alone parents and their "friends", would exploit a young person in this way.

 

I also have a teenage son, whose condition, whilst different to autism, includes certain similar characteristics. He's also physically disabled due to his condition but his mind works similar to hers. Plant a seed, feed and nurture that seed, and he will also take the idea and treat it as gospel. People with these types of conditions totally trust their parents, people they perceive to be in authority and believe what they are told; because they themselves never lie, aren't driven by wealth pursuit, jealousy and ideology. 

 

I don't support conspiracy theories. Nor do I dismiss what's very obvious. She is being steered and coached and has been since her idea of school children striking got media attention. And for someone with autism or similar, that's awful.

 

 

 

I think she needs to establish her " street cred ' first by making a commitment  NOT  to have kids and then  -

miraculously the problem will be solved .

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

How is that for an acute diversion from needing an economic overhaul to meet green targets to knowing who finance her activism expenditures. Next will be the usual endless conspiracy theories on Gates and Soros. 

Go at it like a detective. Who does she religiously not attack? The one making all the CO₂ who under reports to the world.

 

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

Go at it like a detective. Who does she religiously not attack? The one making all the CO₂ who under reports to the world.

 

It could just be that Its not Chinese election results her handlers are trying to influence.

17 hours ago, Pilotman said:

This kid is really getting on my nerves. Nobody likes a wailing banshee at their throats at every turn, especially one so newly out of the crib, She may be right, but she is also annoying.  

Hey, she's demanding, well right then, let's all jump to it.

One of the good things about Covid 19 was that Greta Thunberg disappeared. Unfortunately, it seems she is back.

17 hours ago, Pilotman said:

This kid is really getting on my nerves. Nobody likes a wailing banshee at their throats at every turn, especially one so newly out of the crib, She may be right, but she is also annoying.  

Not half as annoying as the idiots that deny it's a crisis, unfortunately. I've had many conversations with people, often very wealthy and therefore influential, who categorically deny it in the face of obviously overwhelming evidence, whilst not having (or wanting to have, as it affects their profits) a clue about the mechanisms involved. Nobody else but a 17 year old girl seems to have the drive, whilst Marxist anarchists are taking the limelight during a health crisis to whinge about events in the distant past, ignoring huge injustices the world over. The main thing we need to worry about is making the planet one big desert, which could well happen before the end of the century. Oh, and China, which is the main culprit in the former danger too. And the current one, while we're at it..

1 minute ago, katatonic said:

Not half as annoying as the idiots that deny it's a crisis, unfortunately. I've had many conversations with people, often very wealthy and therefore influential, who categorically deny it in the face of obviously overwhelming evidence, whilst not having (or wanting to have, as it affects their profits) a clue about the mechanisms involved. Nobody else but a 17 year old girl seems to have the drive, whilst Marxist anarchists are taking the limelight during a health crisis to whinge about events in the distant past, ignoring huge injustices the world over. The main thing we need to worry about is making the planet one big desert, which could well happen before the end of the century. Oh, and China, which is the main culprit in the former danger too. And the current one, while we're at it..

First time?

Who is she to demand anything?

5 hours ago, Yinn said:

 

 

 

by that logic if I bought an Island for me only and a herd of 50 cattle I'd be top of the list ! (and fearing a visit from her)

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Greta Thunberg demands 'crisis' response to climate change

"Look at me. Look at me.  Don't look at Covid.  I'm still relevant.  Get the spotlight back over here!"

3 minutes ago, connda said:

"Look at me. Look at me.  Don't look at Covid.  I'm still relevant.  Get the spotlight back over here!"

Well that is her primary income earner isn't it. Girls gotta do what girls parents gotta do.

11 minutes ago, connda said:

  20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Greta Thunberg demands 'crisis' response to climate change

Greta Thunberg['s handlers] demands 'crisis' response to her not being in the spotlight.

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

First time?

First time what exactly?

 

1 hour ago, Darkside Gray said:

Who is she to demand anything?

Who are you?

19 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

This will bring out the reactionary ignorant dinosaurs ...

 

19 hours ago, Tug said:

I totally agree with you she certainly is a sanctimonious little gal but imo right in many ways we certainly do need to evolve in a responsible way towards renewables ahh the passion of youth unencumbered by experience lol 

Little Greta is wearing synthetics ...

10 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

 

Little Greta is wearing synthetics ...

True!  But I am sure they are recycled !

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Quite the contrary, she done a remarkable job as an activist. Spearheaded the massive demonstration of about 4 million people protesting against climate change and got decision makers to sit up and listen to their people who elected them. At such a tender age, she was given the honor to address the 2018 UN Climate Change Conference. Kind of enjoy the moment she gave Trump that look of disgust and she only 15. 
 

Her achievements will probably be her ability to inspire the youth and wealthy philanthropists and investors to donate to climate funds. She may have woke up EU to allow Green parties to record their best results in EU parliament 2019 election. 
 

She not alone on her position on climate change and other females have been active in their own individual capacities. 

https://time.com/5669038/women-climate-change-leaders/

I don't think she has. Since you mentioned the speech, what did it actually achieve? Precisely nothing.

 

If you seriously think voters of the Green Party in Germany look at their ballot and think "Oh what did Great Thunberg say" and cast their vote on that basis, well, then you're way off.

 

Environmentalism had backers and donors long before Thunberg.

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Does it matter who is addressing climate change if you accept that climate change needs addressing. She is a voice amongst many and she getting the attention from fans and critics. The avalanche of ad hominem attacks on her are unnecessary and you seem to enjoy that too. What happen BB? If you don’t like her  message, just ignore and don’t join in those conspiracy theorists nutters. You are better than that. 

In marketing terms, the messenger is as important as the message.  If the audience don't like the messenger, they will either not hear the message, or dismiss it.  That's what is happening here.  The kid is annoying, precocious and irritating and it's blanking the message, however worthy it may be.  

Just Demand off Greta. Chinese flu put you out of the limelight has it

2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

True!  But I am sure they are recycled !

If they were, they would have probably been supplied by "green" manufacturers. And, part of her contract would require that the logos would be prominently visible! 

2 hours ago, Pilotman said:

In marketing terms, the messenger is as important as the message.  If the audience don't like the messenger, they will either not hear the message, or dismiss it.  That's what is happening here.  The kid is annoying, precocious and irritating and it's blanking the message, however worthy it may be.  

I think the essence of your criticism is that she's young: how many 'kids' wouldn't be annoying and precocious in the circumstances? Jesus annoyed a few people too in his short life. There isn't much we can do on that score except wait and hopefully in the meantime we can act on the message.

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17 minutes ago, katatonic said:

I think the essence of your criticism is that she's young: how many 'kids' wouldn't be annoying and precocious in the circumstances? Jesus annoyed a few people too in his short life. There isn't much we can do on that score except wait and hopefully in the meantime we can act on the message.

I think kids should be kids.  I don't mind her being young, I do object to being lectured by someone hardly out of the egg, who knows nothing of life, or of the challenges that the World faces in all areas, not just climate change.  She is clearly spouting the prepared words of others and what future is there for a child pushed along as she is being.  She is  a fad and like all fads she will fade away, even if the problem does not and she will be left all the worse for it.  Her parents are abrogating their responsibilities as protectors of this child. They should be ashamed and embarrassed, not proud and arrogant. 

Best we can do is to stop multiply for the next 70 to 80 years, problem solved, or at least start with a one child policy. 

 

Just now, CHdiver said:

Best we can do is to stop multiply for the next 70 to 80 years, problem solved, or at least start with a one child policy. 

 

agreed and instead of that, we are using science (IVF) to give children to couples who should not have children.  We interfere with the natural order and balance at our peril.   

8 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

Do you actually read anything about the world's climate crisis.. or do you just live in denial? 

Relative to the time earth has existed my expected life duration would be a mere 2 seconds. And I have 1 / 8 billionth of a say in matters. I personally am quite honoured, proud and thankful I am here, but I don’t concern myself with negative thoughts and actions . And I certainly don’t believe I’m superior to others I share the planet with and spend my life preaching that others are wrong for living their lives as they please ( within reasonable limits obviously).

 

I’ve had a few crises in my life , personal ones that mean I have become immune to other ( scientists / professional/ journalists/ politicians etc etc) ‘end of the world’ predictions.

23 hours ago, Tug said:

Sorry Greta everyone is a bit preoccupied with the virus 

Sorry Greta everyone is a bit preoccupied with reality.

22 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

I think kids should be kids.  I don't mind her being young, I do object to being lectured by someone hardly out of the egg, who knows nothing of life, or of the challenges that the World faces in all areas, not just climate change.  She is clearly spouting the prepared words of others and what future is there for a child pushed along as she is being.  She is  a fad and like all fads she will fade away, even if the problem does not and she will be left all the worse for it.  Her parents are abrogating their responsibilities as protectors of this child. They should be ashamed and embarrassed, not proud and arrogant. 

She's a modern day Joe 90.

 

A swedish psychologist has traced Greta Thunberg's problems back to a hot summers day , when her ice-cream melted.

 

Greta Thunberg demands.

 

4 hours ago, CHdiver said:

Best we can do is to stop multiply for the next 70 to 80 years, problem solved, or at least start with a one child policy. 

 

And this way only one Greta offspring to annoy the next generation.