9 minutes ago, riclag said:

Maybe I'm missing something ! Experts besides Mr. Trump want kids to go back to school safely

Actually, most experts (including Dr. Fauci) agree that for many places in the US, schools should not re-open.

Anyway, what the experts and Trump says is irrelevant. It's all up to the parents and the majority (as per title) think it's too early and will not risk their family's health.

Edited July 17, 20206 yr by KarenBravo

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Is that what trump is demanding?

That states make their own decisions on school opening based upon the rate of infection in their state?

Because I’m ok with that, letting states make their own decisions on opening schools based upon the situation in their state.

 

Or is he demanding all open regardless?

I watched his Secretary of Education DeVos whom was interviewed and asked this question. She refused a yes or no answer.

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

If states want to go back safely ,does that mean in your eyes ,it shouldn't be allowed. Some experts use this as part of a guide

There seems to be a huge disagreement between experts and politicians exactly what "opening safely" actually means.

Trump has consistently rejected the advice of the professionals that he himself hired.

Until the government and the health experts are singing the same tune, i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping their child at home.

2 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I watched his Secretary of Education DeVos whom was interviewed and asked this question. She refused a yes or no answer.

She did several interviews that day and failed miserably at each one. That is, unless you count spinning nonsense and b.s. as a skill, at which she was a superstar!

4 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

There seems to be a huge disagreement between experts and politicians exactly what "opening safely" actually means.

Trump has consistently rejected the advice of the professionals that he himself hired.

Until the government and the health experts are singing the same tune, i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping their child at home.

No he hasn't ,he has mentioned safety while using guidelines! Experts  believe depending on the area and its status and using guidelines while practicing social distancing it could be done.  

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4 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

There seems to be a huge disagreement between experts and politicians exactly what "opening safely" actually means.

Trump has consistently rejected the advice of the professionals that he himself hired.

Until the government and the health experts are singing the same tune, i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping their child at home.

That is what I would like to know. What would a safe school look like. The class room, the lunch room, the play ground. They won't be 6 ft apart, thats for sure. These  people who say it is better for the children to be back in school, are they talking about a normal school day or the one the kids are going to get.

4 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

There seems to be a huge disagreement between experts and politicians exactly what "opening safely" actually means.

Trump has consistently rejected the advice of the professionals that he himself hired.

Until the government and the health experts are singing the same tune, i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping their child at home.

I'm a teacher in Thailand. Over 50, carrying around a few extra kilo, living in arguably one of the safest countries on planet earth at this time. I KNOW how these lovely little germ factories won't adhere to social distancing. They can't help it, they're just being what they are by nature. I'm fortunate, I have the ability to take this year off. I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine how ANY teacher could return to work in the craziest, most selfish, most politically divided country, setting new records for virus cases daily with an administration that seeks to HIDE the numbers rather than deal with them. The US really, REALLY needs some adults to take over!

1 minute ago, riclag said:

No he hasn't ,he has mentioned safety while using guidelines! Experts  believe depending on the area and its status and using guidelines while practicing social distancing it could be done.  

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You're confusing his lies with his actions.

1 minute ago, bunnydrops said:

That is what I would like to know. What would a safe school look like. The class room, the lunch room, the play ground. They won't be 6 ft apart, thats for sure. These  people who say it is better for the children to be back in school, are they talking about a normal school day or the one the kids are going to get.

The school a taught at (taking this year off) has done an A/B situation. A's go to school Mon/Wed/Fri, B's Tue/Thu/Sat. This allows for distancing in the classrooms, lunch areas, everywhere. It's tough! With some juggling of schedules, the teachers aren't doing a total doubling of class sessions, but it's much more than usual. So far, it's working. VERY difficult, but it's working.

17 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

There seems to be a huge disagreement between experts and politicians exactly what "opening safely" actually means.

Trump has consistently rejected the advice of the professionals that he himself hired.

Until the government and the health experts are singing the same tune, i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping their child at home.

opening safely  is a risk ! But it is a risk according to some experts that can be managed !  It has been done with other countries. People who advise the President believe this can happen  with safety measures !

If parents want to keep their children home I don't see a problem with it. Like I said areas,status and guidelines

 

1 minute ago, riclag said:

opening safely  is a risk ! But it is a risk according to some experts that can be managed !  It has been done with other countries. People who advise the President believe this can happen  with safety measures !

If parents want to keep their children home I don't see a problem with it. Like I said areas,status and guidelines

 

Which other countries that are in the same covid stage as the US have opened schools safely?

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

opening safely  is a risk ! But it is a risk according to some experts that can be managed !  It has been done with other countries. People who advise the President believe this can happen  with safety measures !

If parents want to keep their children home I don't see a problem with it. Like I said areas,status and guidelines

 

You keep returning to this 45 talking point. Before you can open schools, you have to have a basic handle on the virus situation. The US is the absolute antithesis of a country with the virus under manageable control. From the top on down there is no coordination, not even a weak attempt. 45 has repeatedly scoffed at wearing a mask, misleads about the testing (yes, the US does a lot of testing but per capita is one of the worst), and has now successfully hidden actual evidence of numbers. He brags about how he doesn't want the numbers made public ("I told my people slow down the testing"). If anyone has a working brain, they see this is a non-starter.

46 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Actually, most experts (including Dr. Fauci) agree that for many places in the US, schools should not re-open.

Anyway, what the experts and Trump says is irrelevant. It's all up to the parents and the majority (as per title) think it's too early and will not risk their family's health.

And he also agree's that if they follow the steps which I have been alluding to since page 3 it can be done !

“It really will depend on the dynamics of the outbreak and where the particular school is,” said Fauci. “Take a look at the particular area of the so-called Opening America Again. Are you at the gateway, Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3?”

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/doctor-fauci-talks-about-re-opening-schools/2356936/

 

Areas that have hot spots can be managed along with set backs

Edited July 17, 20206 yr by riclag

Gotta go cut the grass karen ,nice chatting with you. 

3 hours ago, riclag said:

If cherry picking scientific data shows how to open schools in areas's together with experts that don't  have  a political agenda ,would that be ok 

 

 

Apart from the cherry picking....yes.  Unbiased, apolitical experts or functional specialists giving advice based ALL relevant data applicable to a specific case is required.

2 hours ago, riclag said:

No he hasn't ,he has mentioned safety while using guidelines! Experts  believe depending on the area and its status and using guidelines while practicing social distancing it could be done.  

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Trump threatened to cut off funds from school systems that don't offer in-in person teaching.

School's need to be opened. It's unlikely kids will catch or transmit the virus. 

1 minute ago, Terrapin said:

School's need to be opened. It's unlikely kids will catch or transmit the virus. 

Have you read ANY posts on this thread or followed ANY news source? This statement lacks substance.

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Areas that have hot spots can be managed along with set backs

Wot? Like Florida, or Arizona?

2 hours ago, riclag said:

And he also agree's that if they follow the steps which I have been alluding to since page 3 it can be done !

“It really will depend on the dynamics of the outbreak and where the particular school is,” said Fauci. “Take a look at the particular area of the so-called Opening America Again. Are you at the gateway, Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3?”

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/doctor-fauci-talks-about-re-opening-schools/2356936/

 

Areas that have hot spots can be managed along with set backs

His task force, including his vp gave the guidelines. But trump asked/told them to soften them as they were too strict. Then he claims thats what they state to do.

 

Incredible, deplorable.

34 minutes ago, J Town said:

Have you read ANY posts on this thread or followed ANY news source? This statement lacks substance.

There have been several studies confirming that "Children Rarely Transmit SARS-CoV-2".

 

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07/08/peds.2020-004879

11 minutes ago, Terrapin said:

There have been several studies confirming that "Children Rarely Transmit SARS-CoV-2".

 

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07/08/peds.2020-004879

No, not confirming that at all. There are indications, no more, no less.

 

Other recent data, e.g. from wall street journal, so behind a paywall and can't link, indicate a spike in children infections.

 

This is far from definitive, the last word has not been said.

Edited July 17, 20206 yr by stevenl

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3 hours ago, J Town said:

She did several interviews that day and failed miserably at each one. That is, unless you count spinning nonsense and b.s. as a skill, at which she was a superstar!

Tulsa rally failure, Alabama rally cancelled and New Hampshire rally cancelled although it didn't rain. THREE failures so far what a  restart!

 The new campaign manager please schedule more rallys that is what we need most!

Oklahoma governor tests positive for COVID-19 weeks after attending Trump's Tulsa rally.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oklahoma-governor-tests-positive-coronavirus-173604010.html

1 hour ago, cantata said:

Trump threatened to cut off funds from school systems that don't offer in-in person teaching.

 

And to kick out of the country any foreign visa students who aren't attending in person classes -- a plan his admin backed off from about a week after announcing it, when various U.S. universities started litigation to challenge the policy.

 

As usual, announce on Twitter first, and only think about the impacts and consequences later, if at all.

 

1 hour ago, KarenBravo said:

Wot? Like Florida, or Arizona?

 

Reuters had a good fact-filled report today on the latest evidence of the U.S. circling the coronavirus toilet under Trump.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-records/u-s-shatters-coronavirus-record-with-over-77000-cases-in-a-day-idUSKCN24I014

 

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U.S. shatters coronavirus record with over 77,000 cases in a day

(Reuters) - The United States shattered its daily record for coronavirus infections on Thursday, reporting more than 77,000 new cases as the number of deaths in a 24-hour period rose [to] _by nearly 1,000, according to a Reuters tally.

 

The loss of 969 lives was the biggest increase since June 10, with Florida, South Carolina and Texas all reporting their biggest one-day spikes on Thursday.

...

The hardest-hit areas in Texas and Arizona are running out of places to store bodies as their morgues fill up and are bringing in coolers and refrigerated trailers.

 

 

Edited July 17, 20206 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

13 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

From what I have been reading and hearing, schools are the least of the problem as children up to 18 are not so susceptible to Covid-19 as are the older ones, those with obesity problems and pre-existing conditions.

 

Kids immune systems are far better than the above as they are growing.

Did you ever think they will spread it to their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone else ????

Interesting demographic info re California's CV cases and deaths from the CA Dept of Health Services via the LA Times.

 

 

Looks like the 17 and under age group is accounting for about 9% of total confirmed CV cases, but a very negligible number of deaths. On the other hand, the 80 and up age group looks like they're less than 5% of total cases, but about 45% of all deaths.  That's just the snapshot data for California.

 

So the above numbers certainly show that youngsters are contracting the CV. But the equally interesting detail to me in the above stats is the fact that the 18-34 age group in CA represents the largest age cohort of confirmed cases by a wide margin.... maybe 32 or 33% based on the graphic.

15 hours ago, webfact said:

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 1,114 American adults and has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of three percentage points.

1,114 divided by 50 states that would be 22 people called in each state? I find that the sample size here is statistically nonsense. Of the 22 people how many misheard the question? How many did not understand the question, how many were underage kids lying on the phone etc etc. Just my opinion, sure everyone has one.

6 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

1,114 divided by 50 states that would be 22 people called in each state? I find that the sample size here is statistically nonsense.

Because you don’t know much about empirical research, I presume. 
 

6 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Of the 22 people how many misheard the question? How many did not understand the question, how many were underage kids lying on the phone etc etc. Just my opinion, sure everyone has one.

...and you have never worked with a professional research firm like Ipsos, apparently.