U.S. swoops down on Portland protesters after Trump order to protect monuments

[uesnyc]

12 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

There is no insurrection.  Stop  making false claims.

I wouldn't go so far as insurrection like the guy you're replying to, but these groups (not the legit protesters) have a common goal of ending capitalism and are using black bloc tactics to antagonize a response and cause greater outrage. They have large political backing by people who call themselves "progressive", but when you hear their speeches, or read their statements you'll find a lot of Marx and Mao. 

I find it funny when people are comparing the government to China when it's the "protesters" burning churches, statues, and demanding books and film be removed, villainizing "profit", land ownership, etc.. 

It's not different at all from Mao's cultural revolution.

Edited July 18, 2020 by uesnyc

[Yankeesvsredsox]

1 hour ago, uesnyc said:

The exact opposite of a HK protester.

I like the color red  but when it has a hammer and sickle, it so reminds me of,  the millions who died as a result of that symbols ideology !

  Sweep them  to the gutter along with the parties and its supporters who  condone its existence through their silence!

Don't stop there Trump ! Round them all up, in every city   

[Ireland32]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

 

Not with plane cloths cops in unmarked vans and no cities have been destroyed that’s a gross exaggeration the USA isent a police state and won’t become one it’s just Donald distracting away from his many failures it’s all he’s got

USA is a police state and Australia 

[cantata]

5 minutes ago, Yankeesvsredsox said:

I like the color red  but when it has a hammer and sickle, it so reminds me of,  the millions who died as a result of that symbols ideology !

  Sweep them  to the gutter along with the parties and its supporters who  condone its existence through their silence!

Don't stop there Trump ! Round them all up, in every city   

Because they rouse unhappy memories in you, they should be "swept to the gutter"? Wow, government actions undertaken to protect your delicate sensibilities.

[Chomper Higgot]

Trump blowing his dog whistle again.

 

Another attack on the Constitution and once again his dwindling base jeering him on.

 

 

[Neeranam]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

This behaviour is very much reminiscent of that of thought police forces in countries like Russia, China, and others where free thought is not allowed.

I wish they did it in the UK too.

[uesnyc]

12 minutes ago, cantata said:

Because they rouse unhappy memories in you, they should be "swept to the gutter"? Wow, government actions undertaken to protect your delicate sensibilities.

Pretty <deleted>ty memories though.

 

[Dumbastheycome]

The US is devolving into a social maelstrom of discontent aggravated by the retaliatory extremism at both  ends of the spectrum.

Trump has adopted a denialist stance that demonstrates nothing more than retribution for any criticism or defiance.

The USA is not  divided. It is multiply fractured and at risk of collapse.

 

 

 

 

[Yankeesvsredsox]

1 hour ago, CFCjeff said:

Well done Donald,  Antifa are a domestic terrorist organisation, hellbent on violence and vandalism , round up all these worthless knuckleheads  and put them on a flight to Venezuala to experience the delights of socialism. 

 

Yes, and please take this symbol of the Far Left with them!

 

[Phoenix Rising]

The trump base supporters are quick to bleet their horror when some right wing nutter's post has been taken down on Twitter, claiming their constitutional rights have been violated. But when it's persons with a different opinion it really doesn't matter. does it.

HRC used a certain term but I disagree, it's far too polite.

[uesnyc]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

The trump base supporters are quick to bleet their horror when some right wing nutter's post has been taken down on Twitter, claiming their constitutional rights have been violated. But when it's persons with a different opinion it really doesn't matter. does it.

HRC used a certain term but I disagree, it's far too polite.

Context please? I'm not a trumpster and I'm not a rah rah usa usa.. but I do believe in an absolute freedom of speech. Including what I hate hearing. I'm not on twitter, so I don't know what you're talking about.  

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, SinCityGr8One said:

They are NOT protesters but Anarchists and Insurrectionists. They are NOT protected under the First Amendment due to the fact they are looting, arsonists, and setting up Autonomous Zones, which by itself is covered under the Insurrection Act of 1807. Under this Act, the Marxist Mayors of Portland and Seattle plus the Communist Governors of Oregon and Washington should all be arrested, tried and convicted for allowing this Insurrection to happen. The minimum of 10 years in a Federal Penitentiary will give them time to reflect on their gross ineptitude. New home is Leavenworth Pen. Capture all the Anarchists and charge them the same as this is no longer about the criminal George Floyd, but a challenge to the Laws of the Republic. Perhaps, the U.S.A. should follow up on how Tienemen Square was handled. If Government does not handle this quickly, then Patriots, Militias and Veterans will. 

So now the Chinese handling of tiannanmen square is set as a lighting example. This is too sick for words.

[teatime101]

1 hour ago, uesnyc said:

these groups (not the legit protesters) have a common goal of ending capitalism and are using black bloc tactics to antagonize a response and cause greater outrage. They have large political backing by people who call themselves "progressive", but when you hear their speeches, or read their statements you'll find a lot of Marx and Mao. 

They should be beaten and locked up for trying to 'end capitalism', or what?

[teatime101]

44 minutes ago, Yankeesvsredsox said:

Yes, and please take this symbol of the Far Left with them!

 

In 1943 any 'patriotic' American would have cheered a flag like that. Now the 'patriots' cheer on the fascists. Being anti-fascist is not 'far left'. It's the appropriate position for any decent person to hold.

Edited July 18, 2020 by teatime101

[ChouDoufu]

it's not a question of free speech.  it's a question of whether the federal government can send in unmarked, unaccountable troops to kidnap protestors off the streets of american cities, against the wishes of the elected mayors and governors of those cities and states.  it's the sort of states rights issue that could eventually lead to insurrection again.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, uesnyc said:

The exact opposite of a HK protester.

Did a search for this photo, seems it comes from a far right / Antifa extremist clash in 2018 in Portland. Haven't seen similar photos in current protests. In any case FBI claim Antifa involvement in current protests are extremely limited.

[tifino]

 Judge Dredd would be lovin' this 

[uesnyc]

1 minute ago, teatime101 said:

They should be beaten and locked up for trying to 'end capitalism', or what?

It would be subversion. The country was built as a free market economy.

Personally, anybody who wants to take what I've earned and own yes, I hope they die slowly and painfully. I'm an individual, not a collectivist.

I just want to be left alone. I owe nobody anything. My bills are paid, I've cleared my debt.

There are countries out there that are not capitalist, welcoming others to join. Leave mine alone.

[simple1]

24 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So now the Chinese handling of tiannanmen square is set as a lighting example. This is too sick for words.

Absolutely agree, far right extremism expressed. including calls for violence, on this forum is out of control.

[uesnyc]

10 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

it's not a question of free speech.  it's a question of whether the federal government can send in unmarked, unaccountable troops to kidnap protestors off the streets of american cities, against the wishes of the elected mayors and governors of those cities and states.  it's the sort of states rights issue that could eventually lead to insurrection again.

Not troops, police officers. Not kidnap, arrest. States and cities have no jurisdiction over federal property. And yes, they're all accountable. And yes, they're allowed to be "unmarked".

 

[Orton Rd]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

Federal government agents have been detaining people in clear breach of their First Amendment rights.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/portland-george-floyd-protests-president-trump-federal-officers-1030441/

Hysterical over reaction to being questioned. Rioting, looting, destruction of public property and anarchy is of course not a first amendment right.

[Orton Rd]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Absolutely agree, far right extremism expressed. including calls for violence, on this forum is out of control.

Any examples of this, re the USA?

Edited July 18, 2020 by Orton Rd

[uesnyc]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Absolutely agree, far right extremism expressed. including calls for violence, on this forum is out of control.

when the far left is the actual ones committing such violence. 

These people are not center or right firebombing anything, destroying, anything, assaulting cops, destroying businesses.

[samran]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

How about not vandalizing gov bldgs. It's obvious the major and gov can't control the mobs, so thank you Mr President.

You are so right. Only right wing militia types with their conspiracy theories are allowed to take on a tyrannical government! How dare these protesters think that they could do the same thing. 

[ChouDoufu]

9 minutes ago, uesnyc said:

 

no troops?  we don't know.  not if they have no identification and refuse to identify themselves.

 

that's kidnapping, and citizens have a right to refuse to comply.  they also have a right to defend themselves, with deadly force if necessary.

[Yankeesvsredsox]

26 minutes ago, teatime101 said:

In 1943 any 'patriotic' American would have cheered a flag like that. Now the 'patriots' cheer on the fascists. Being anti-fascist is not 'far left'. It's the appropriate position for any decent person to hold.

These people are far left militants,  antifa and their flag should be hung in Bidens front yard ! It's the appropriate position for any decent person to hold as you say

Edited July 18, 2020 by Yankeesvsredsox

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, uesnyc said:

when the far left is the actual ones committing such violence. 

These people are not center or right firebombing anything, destroying, anything, assaulting cops, destroying businesses.

How many of these crimes over the past few months of protests have been identified by the FBI as politically motivated, rather than by street criminals?

 

The FBI has found no evidence that the American militant anti-fascist movement Antifa was involved in violence that erupted during national protests over the death of George Floyd.

 

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/fbi-finds-evidence-antifa-involvement-national-unrest/qVI3U9wb8Q6u1QEvVsJ7AJ/

[The Barmbeker]

2 hours ago, uesnyc said:

Nothing anywhere says cops or vehicles have to be "marked".  You've never seen plain clothes police in unmarked cars before? Usually an arrest entails "taking a person off the street". Every single person knows what they were arrested for, it's in the charging documents. The cops have no obligation to inform random rioters who aren't being charged what their comrades are being charged for, it's none of their business. Your definition of a "tyrannical government" is cops doing their jobs.

Yup...it is usually down by policemen in plain clothes, doing an undercover arrest!

Not by a para military troop!

And I have seen videos, where these exact troops arrested folks whoo had no idea, why they were arrested and no trooper told them!

I guess, my definition of "cops doing their job" differs a bit from yours!

But I guess, you are from the USA- and you guys have some very special definitions of "the law" anyways!

[GalaxyMan]

23 minutes ago, tifino said:

 Judge Dredd would be lovin' this 

I knew you'd say that! ????

[The Barmbeker]

2 hours ago, SinCityGr8One said:

It is YOU that don't get it! Do you think they are arresting someone walking out of a library or shopping Mall? NO, they are arresting Anarchists, looters, arsonists, agitators etc. You do have a strange misconception regarding a Tyrannical Government which right now is nowhere in sight. And yes, the 2nd Amendment does allow the overthrow of Tyrannical Government. Do you really think that's in place now? If you do, rescind your American Citizenship and move to a peaceful Country. Bye!

Well...they have been arresting people willy nilly and without any statement of why they were arrested!

And please stop the hyperbole of "Anarchists, looters, arsonists, agitators etc. "!

Oh...FYI: I am not a citizen of the self proclaimed "Greatest Nation on Earth", so...bad luck, that you will have to put up with the likes of me, the "Unamericans"!