Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

 

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(Reuters) - Britain and the European Union will fail to sign a post-Brexit trade deal, with only a few days left before Prime Minister Boris Johnson's July deadline, The Telegraph reported.

 

The UK government's assumption is that there will not be a deal, though it remains possible that a "basic" agreement could be reached if the EU gives ground in the autumn, the newspaper said, citing government sources.

 

The government expects it will trade with Europe on World Trade Organisation terms when the transition period ends, the report added.

 

Britain left the EU on Jan. 31 and its relationship with the bloc is now governed by a transition arrangement that keeps previous rules in place while the two sides negotiate new terms.

 

Negotiators remain deadlocked on fishing rights, the deal's governance, the European Court of Justice's role and so-called level playing field guarantees, the newspaper reported.

 

Britain is pursuing trade deals with other countries and setting up its own sanctions regime, and has previously insisted it should not have to sign up to the bloc's standards.

 

A spokesman for Johnson said on Monday Britain will continue to engage constructively with EU in talks on a future relationship, but that London is not willing to give up its rights as an independent state.

 

(Reporting by Aakriti Bhalla in Bengaluru; Editing by Sandra Maler and Marguerita Choy)

 

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Drastic changes are coming in the next 3-4 weeks.

 

They won't know what hit them but they know it's coming, we left the EU many months ago.

 

With no deal on the table there's a lot more leeway and we won't be playing ball with the French.

 

For example, how many 1000's have washed up in boats since we left the EU? What will they do when we send them all back to France?

 

4 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Drastic changes are coming in the next 3-4 weeks.

 

They won't know what hit them but they know it's coming, we left the EU many months ago.

 

With no deal on the table there's a lot more leeway and we won't be playing ball with the French.

 

For example, how many 1000's have washed up in boats since we left the EU? What will they do when we send them all back to France?

 

I doubt that UK Border Force people will still be based in France, border will effectively then be mid-Channel.

Edited July 21, 20205 yr by Andrew65

It probably doesn't matter one iota as this government, headed by a muppet, is capable of mismanaging everything from the Coronavirus, the NHS, the Care home deaths, their own backbenchers, Russian infiltration, and the economy - which will be funded by the taxpayer for decades after. 

 

It's a pity that Starmer won't be in Downing St until winning the 2024 election- or hopefully earlier if a no confidence vote is successful. As for fishing rights who'd want to risk their health by consuming polluted fish anyway? 

 

England - I'm sad to say is currently a waste of space... 

It's all bluff, of course you pretend you're going for no deal, basic negotiating strategy stuff.

10 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

It probably doesn't matter one iota as this government, headed by a muppet, is capable of mismanaging everything from the Coronavirus, the NHS, the Care home deaths, their own backbenchers, Russian infiltration, and the economy - which will be funded by the taxpayer for decades after. 

 

It's a pity that Starmer won't be in Downing St until winning the 2024 election- or hopefully earlier if a no confidence vote is successful. As for fishing rights who'd want to risk their health by consuming polluted fish anyway? 

 

England - I'm sad to say is currently a waste of space... 

Though Starmer is much better than JC, I can't really see what would be so much better with him as PM.

4 minutes ago, nausea said:

It's all bluff, of course you pretend you're going for no deal, basic negotiating strategy stuff.

There are many who think that a no deal Brexit is what Boris, JRM etc really wanted anyway, even when making a pretence of trying for/wanting a deal.

Edited July 21, 20205 yr by Andrew65

18 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Drastic changes are coming in the next 3-4 weeks.

 

They won't know what hit them but they know it's coming, we left the EU many months ago.

 

With no deal on the table there's a lot more leeway and we won't be playing ball with the French.

 

For example, how many 1000's have washed up in boats since we left the EU? What will they do when we send them all back to France?

 

Yeah they are very quick in U.K. very big territorial waters , not far to go ???? untill van claim asyl by international laws and sea treaty's for people in danger ???? .... we E.U.have the same problem in the Mediterainian sea ....and good luck to stop it ????.....asyl laws from U.N. are old laws and misused & violated under the flg of humanitarian way.

In theory they must look for asyl in first country close to their origin country...which is most very far from Europe or U.K.

Review of U.N. asylam laws high needed

 

 

...

 

4 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

There are many who think that a no deal Brexit is what Boris, JRM etc really wanted anyway, even when making a pretence of trying for/wanting a deal.

They're going to get it as well, just watch. The negotiations end very soon.

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

In theory they must look for asyl in first country close to their origin country...which is most very far from Europe or U.K.

This is the crux of the change. The UK is no longer a part of the EU.

 

They're crossing a frontier when leaving France illegally and they're all going to be sent back and it's going to start happening pretty soon.

 

I also read somewhere that there's a very good chance this can be back dated to the date the UK left the EU, think about that.

 

The French have been sending as many as they can over to the UK and we're about to send the lot of them back....to France.

4 minutes ago, ukrules said:

This is the crux of the change. The UK is no longer a part of the EU.

 

They're crossing a frontier when leaving France illegally and they're all going to be sent back and it's going to start happening pretty soon.

 

I also read somewhere that there's a very good chance this can be back dated to the date the UK left the EU, think about that.

 

The French have been sending as many as they can over to the UK and we're about to send the lot of them back....to France.

The problem is this has nothing to do with E.U. this is United Nations treaty ....world treaty ...refugees and asylam 

Sorry you can not blame E.U as usual 

..are you Brits not the rulers of the sea ....????

How long it took for U.K. before they could even deported that fanatic preaching cleric ...years thanks the lawyers for that obstruction as even noe tha lady Begum .......good luck we E.U. tried a lot ...now they change course to Britain .... predict very soon the BIG ships shall change course from Mediterainian Sea to straight .U.K. waters .....not unlikely to happen 

Edited July 22, 20205 yr by david555

How many of the 52% wanted a No-Deal Brexit?

That trade agreement was supposed to be super easy to get and nothing would change...

 

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

The problem is this has nothing to do with E.U. this is United Nations treaty ....world treaty ...refugees and asylam 

Sorry you can not blame E.U as usual 

..are you Brits not the rulers of the sea ....????

You can't sneak into the UK from France, a frontier country in the safest place on earth without being immediately sent back.

 

An imminent and major change is about to happen.

 

Sit back, relax and watch it unroll over the next 2 to 4 weeks.....????????

 

It's gonna happen regardless of what you say.

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

The problem is this has nothing to do with E.U. this is United Nations treaty ....world treaty ...refugees and asylam 

Sorry you can not blame E.U as usual 

..are you Brits not the rulers of the sea ....????

It's the Schengen border.
 

It's ECHR that stops the UK from extraditing, with the ECJ having the final say. People always say that these things (ECHR) have nothing to do with the EU, but a country has to be a signatory to it to be a member of the EU.

So the Brexit utopia awaits. 

Its been obvious for months this was going to happen. Johnson and the Brexiteers made too many promises they simply cannot keep.

May went to the EU and got the best deal the UK was going to get. It was still rubbish because leaving is a stupid idea but according to the Brexiteers it was not leaving at all. It was selling out. 

Then Johnson starts claiming we can have all the good stuff from the EU with none of the perceived (in their eyes) drawbacks of being a member. They need us more than we need them. 

The EU is having none of it.

Congratulations Brexiteers. You won. Now the country will have to deal with what it is you actually won.

What happened to the oven ready deal?

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How many of the 52% wanted a No-Deal Brexit?

That trade agreement was supposed to be super easy to get and nothing would change...

 

The Labour Party said that they would help to facilitate Brexit, and then used every trick in the book to prevent it, even when many millions of their members supported it.

1 minute ago, ukrules said:

You can't sneak into the UK from France, a frontier country in the safest place on earth without being immediately sent back.

 

An imminent and major change is about to happen.

 

Sit back, relax and watch it unroll over the next 2 to 4 weeks.....????????

 

It's gonna happen regardless of what you say.

Good luck we watch ...as you succees then we might be able to to stop them .....you start first ...we watch the result ...and if it works we can maybe use your way on the Mediteranian sea too..... but i doubt they can be stopped unless shooting at them .....????

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Good luck we watch ...as you succees then we might be able to to stop them .....you start first ...we watch the result ...and if it works we can maybe use your way on the Mediteranian sea too..... but i doubt they can be stopped unless shooting at them .....????

I doubt that, it's all about where they're coming from. Arriving from France is very different to where they arrive from in the Med....where are they coming from?

 

France being a bastion of liberty and freedom, etc, etc.....nobody's fleeing from danger in France.

 

Once the talks of a deal end - then it's over and that's going to happen much quicker than people realise. Things will change straight away, there may be slight penalties but the UK can handle them and do whatever it wants.

6 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

It's the Schengen border.
 

It's ECHR that stops the UK from extraditing, with the ECJ having the final say. People always say that these things (ECHR) have nothing to do with the EU, but a country has to be a signatory to it to be a member of the EU.

Did yhe U.K. not signed U.N treaty's ???? That is where asylam laws came from in first order .....

Oh i forgot British signatures are very changeble....????

5 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

The Labour Party said that they would help to facilitate Brexit, and then used every trick in the book to prevent it, even when many millions of their members supported it.

Yeah, sure, now blame it on Labour.

And of course blame the EU.

Boris and his team are perfect, what a joke.

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Good luck we watch ...as you succees then we might be able to to stop them .....you start first ...we watch the result ...and if it works we can maybe use your way on the Mediteranian sea too..... but i doubt they can be stopped unless shooting at them .....????

The population of Africa is predicted by the UN to triple by 2050, from 800 million now, to 2.4 billion. I don't think economic growth will come even close to compensating. The Med is gonna continue to be very busy with small boats.

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yeah, sure, now blame it on Labour.

And of course blame the EU.

Boris and his team are perfect, what a joke.

We've just spent 3 years watching it happen.???? (Most of it with Mrs May as PM).

Edited July 22, 20205 yr by Andrew65

1 minute ago, Andrew65 said:

The population of Africa is predicted by the UN to triple by 2050, from 800 million now, to 2.4 billion. I don't think economic growth will come even close to compensating. The Med is gonna continue to be very busy with small boats.

That sounds like a great business opportunity. Selling small boats. ???? 

The EU is and always has been. The last four years has been a complete waste of time and money. The BREXIT referendum result should've sent a clear message to the establishment that we wanted out there and then, but no we've had four wasted years of whinging and whining by self interested corporate businesses, sell-out politician's aided and abetted by the lunatic, biased left wing media and we know better than you "celebrities". Just to reinforce this the Liebour Party and the non democratic Liberal Democrat Party were hammered in the recent General Election. The Scot's had their once in a lifetime referendum a few years back and voted to remain in the Union, but again Wee Burnie keeps harping on from the cheap seats whilst having  her cake and eating it. The EU have just proved what a mess they're in with all the squabbling over the past few days.

 

Time to just walk away.

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That sounds like a great business opportunity. Selling small boats. ???? 

Lots more 'lookie-lookie men' in Spain & Italy!????

1 minute ago, Andrew65 said:

The population of Africa is predicted by the UN to triple by 2050, from 800 million now, to 2.4 billion. I don't think economic growth will come even close to compensating. The Med is gonna continue to be very busy with small boats.

No the BIG boats they go com from those NGO straight to Kent as it is very good landing grounds ... the small dingys are just the front troopers ....???? we all go suffer that Africa moving in under United Nations humaniterian laws flag and the NGO ships funded by .....?

21 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How many of the 52% wanted a No-Deal Brexit?

That trade agreement was supposed to be super easy to get and nothing would change...

 

 

The "52%" voted for Brexit. The terms of how Brexit was to be achieved was not discussed until after the vote by either side.

 

Perhaps both sides should have been more specific beforehand. But it was not considered important until after the result.

 

If only we had had a series of further votes regarding the minutiae of the outcome. The more referendums you have, the more democratic the eventual result, right? ????

Edited July 22, 20205 yr by nkg
Brexit

11 minutes ago, david555 said:

Did yhe U.K. not signed U.N treaty's ???? That is where asylam laws came from in first order .....

Oh i forgot British signatures are very changeble....????

Remember what I said in this thread today because you're in for the shock of your life in August ????

 

I'll come back here in a few weeks to see how things are turning out.....

Edited July 22, 20205 yr by ukrules

4 minutes ago, watso63 said:

The EU is and always has been. The last four years has been a complete waste of time and money. The BREXIT referendum result should've sent a clear message to the establishment that we wanted out there and then, but no we've had four wasted years of whinging and whining by self interested corporate businesses, sell-out politician's aided and abetted by the lunatic, biased left wing media and we know better than you "celebrities". Just to reinforce this the Liebour Party and the non democratic Liberal Democrat Party were hammered in the recent General Election. The Scot's had their once in a lifetime referendum a few years back and voted to remain in the Union, but again Wee Burnie keeps harping on from the cheap seats whilst having  her cake and eating it. The EU have just proved what a mess they're in with all the squabbling over the past few days.

 

Time to just walk away.

Why oh why you did not walk already ........

oh yes i just remember ...."they need us more than we U.K. need them " ....???????????????? 

Best joke in century's...after Liam fox one of course ...you know brex<deleted> easyest thing to do ????????????

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4 minutes ago, david555 said:

No the BIG boats they go com from those NGO straight to Kent as it is very good landing grounds ... the small dingys are just the front troopers ....???? we all go suffer that Africa moving in under United Nations humaniterian laws flag and the NGO ships funded by .....?

Most want to go to Germany, especially after Mad-Angie invited them???? All of them.....from everywhere. She didn't consult her "EU partners" before doing so (in the run-up to the Brexit vote).