Covid-19: Thailand named best in the world in coronavirus pandemic recovery stats

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Thailand tops global ranking for handling of Covid-19 crisis

By THE NATION

 

 

Thailand ranked highest in a global survey for its effective handling of Covid-19 and recovery from the crisis. The Global Covid-19 Index (GCI), published yesterday (July 28), gave Thailand an index score of 82.06, putting it on top of the global chart as an example of best practices in tackling the dreaded virus.

 

South Korea ranked second with a recovery index of 81.09, followed by Latvia (80.81), Malaysia (79.37), Taiwan (78.94) and New Zealand (78.55). Australia, which used to top the chart in previous months, now ranks 6th, with a recovery index of 77.18.

 

In the previous ranking published on June 14, Thailand came 2nd in Covid-19 recovery among 184 nations across the globe.

 

The GCI bases 70 per cent of its calculation on big data and daily analysis from 184 countries, while the other 30 per cent comes from the Global Health Security Index, an assessment of global health security in 195 countries prepared by the Johns Hopkins Centre for Health Security.

 

As of yesterday, the number of confirmed cases in Thailand stood at 3,297 (including 360 who tested positive in state quarantine). Of these, 128 are being treated, 3,111 have recovered and 58 have succumbed to the virus.

 

Globally, the number of confirmed cases has gone beyond 16.6 million, up by 229,000 in 24 hours, with 10.2 million patients having recovered and 652,000 dying.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30392083

 

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[Somtamnication]

Painful for everyone, but yes, Thailand did an excellent job controlling it and still does. Credit where credit is due.

[Kullstar]

Chart topping for road deaths as well. #impressive

[Bender Rodriguez]

are they serious ?

 

look at the number of tests per thousand or per million inhabitants...

 

what a joke

[Bkk Brian]

46 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

I also doubt's it's the hospital treatment making the difference, after all there is no cure, no vaccine for Covid19. Unless Thailand has a secret weapon it's not disclosing to the world.

 

 

Agree with 2 of your points however the one I've quoted does raise some questions. The hospitalization of all positive covid patients has been Thailand's strategy so far. While there are no vaccines there are indeed many effective treatments now that can reduce deaths and more are being found. Thailand is part of the WHO Solidarity trials which has taken part in trialing some of these treatments.

 

For example Remdesivir is said to reduce deaths by up to 30%, this is just one of the drugs Thailand has been using.

 

There's no secret weapons but there are effective treatments available now that can and are reducing death rates worldwide including Dexamethasone life-saving drug.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Bkk Brian

[4MyEgo]

14 minutes ago, Logosone said:

after all there is no cure

Actually apparently there is or was a video just out of front line US doctors literally screaming out that they have had enough and that they have tested and treated patience with no deaths using Hydroxychloroquine with zinc and Azithromycin, they are going against the grain, e.g. the government pulling it off of the shelves and threatening to take away their licenses based on previous studies, however those studies showed that the patients were administered 2,400mils of it as opposed to 200mils twice a week, in other words the toxicity basically killed the patients because they were given loaded doses x 10 times what they should have been given, they also stated that if given when in the early stages the success rate is the highest.

 

I will put the link in link that now says it was fake news and hope the mods don't remove it like Facebook and others have done, I mean these are qualified doctors who treated patients who are going against the mainstream media and governments and treating patients successfully, so it's from the horse's mouth, not the governments, so there is a cure according to these doctors, after all why has Trump been taking it for so long, and why did he retweet the video so many times until Facebook, Twitter and Youtube took it down, I have never know news to ever be taken down before COVID, so free speech is out is it, well it appears so, so don't believe what doctors say, only governments right, yes let's wait for the vaccine, but what about those who don't want it, are we to be forced to take it ?

 

Fortunately for me, I bookmarked the video and can send it to you in a PM if you want, to make up your own mind as opposed to it being removed here on TVF, I found it to be very convincing with doctors becoming quite emotional about saving lives as opposed to allowing them to be killed off.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronavirus/index.html

 

 

 

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Agree with 2 of your points however the one I've quoted does raise some questions. The hospitalization of all positive covid patients has been Thailand's strategy so far. While there are no vaccines there are indeed many effective treatments now that can reduce deaths and more are being found. Thailand is part of the WHO Solidarity trials which has taken part in trialing some of these treatments.

 

For example Remdesivir is said to reduce deaths by up to 30%, this is just one of the drugs Thailand has been using.

 

There's no secret weapons but there are effective treatments available now that can reduce death rates worldwide including Dexamethasone life-saving drug.

So far we have seen death rates in most countries to be very similar once patients are put on intensive care. Is there any evidence to suggest Thailand is doing much better in this regard?

 

I really doubt that is the case. You're right of course that good nursing, clinical management and use of remedies that can make a small difference could be beneficial but even a 30% reduction is not a lot. If that were the cause of the 58 deaths the total death figure without clinical management would still be far below what is credible. And of course most countries are using those treatments now.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronavirus/index.html

 

 First we've got a nut-job president and his nut-job son. And now courtesy of the ever reliable, truthful Breitbart News, we've got a group of nut-job doctors.

 

From the CNN article linked above:

 

 

Quote

 

One woman featured in the video, identified as Dr. Stella Immanuel, is a Houston-based physician and founder of the Fire Power Ministries church. On her website and in sermons posted on YouTube, Immanuel has made strange medical claims, including that sex with "tormenting spirits" are is responsible for gynecological problems, miscarriages, and impotence.
...

According to the Texas Medical Board database, Immanuel received her medical degree from a university in Nigeria in 1990 and practices medicine at a clinic in Houston. On her Facebook page, Immanuel says she was born in Cameroon and describes herself as "God's battle axe and weapon of war."

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Thailand classifies a death as Covid19 related if the patient has tested positive for the disease and an autopsy shows the cause of death is due to the infection.

 

If one does not test the deceased for Covid19, one cannot determine if the infection was present.If one does not perform a full autopsy how does one determine the cause of death is other than  "old age" or "flu".

 

Do you believe that Thailand has tested the thousands of dead people since last January, for the presence of Covid19, or even performed a full post mortem?

 

Just asking.

 

 

The lack of testing and diagnosis here is certainly an issue of concern regarding this supposed ranking that Thailand has.

 

Yet at the same time, we're not hearing any anecdotal evidence of significant virus spread and death in Thailand... no social media posts about families falling sick, no reports out of hospitals about overflowing admissions or full ICU units, etc etc...

 

If there was actual spread of the virus going on here, you'd have to wonder would the authorities be able to keep it invisible for all this time, i.e., not have the telltale signs come popping into public view?

 

[LiveKiss]

And China, a country that has been in touch with Western medicine for less than 50 years, led the Western world in this Covid response with lock-downs, masks and all..
Something doesn't sound right.. right?

[Logosone]

11 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Actually apparently there is or was a video just out of front line US doctors literally screaming out that they have had enough and that they have tested and treated patience with no deaths using Hydroxychloroquine with zinc and Azithromycin, they are going against the grain, e.g. the government pulling it off of the shelves and threatening to take away their licenses based on previous studies, however those studies showed that the patients were administered 2,400mils of it as opposed to 200mils twice a week, in other words the toxicity basically killed the patients because they were given loaded doses x 10 times what they should have been given, they also stated that if given when in the early stages the success rate is the highest.

 

I will put the link in link that now says it was fake news and hope the mods don't remove it like Facebook and others have done, I mean these are qualified doctors who treated patients who are going against the mainstream media and governments and treating patients successfully, so it's from the horse's mouth, not the governments, so there is a cure according to these doctors, after all why has Trump been taking it for so long, and why did he retweet the video so many times until Facebook, Twitter and Youtube took it down, I have never know news to ever be taken down before COVID, so free speech is out is it, well it appears so, so don't believe what doctors say, only governments right, yes let's wait for the vaccine, but what about those who don't want it, are we to be forced to take it ?

 

Fortunately for me, I bookmarked the video and can send it to you in a PM if you want, to make up your own mind as opposed to it being removed here on TVF, I found it to be very convincing with doctors becoming quite emotional about saving lives as opposed to allowing them to be killed off.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronavirus/index.html

 

 

 

Don't you think if Hydrochloroquine were a cure the pharma companies would be all over it and producing similar drugs? 

 

Trials are being conducted on this. We'll have to see.

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I would think that one of the reasons "official covid deaths" are low in Thailand is due to the fact that they admitted all positive cases to hospital, unlike many other countries where you only get admitted if serious.

 

This strategy is possible when you have low numbers and appears to have paid off. 

 

Caveat of course is taking the official numbers as real, a big ask

PUI are also hospitalised - only released when they return a negative swab. But it other countries they go home and wait several days for the result - happily spreading their virus around. They self-isolate, you say????? The majority of Bangkokians still seem to e wearing their masks. Cannot get into Central without a mask. 

[DavisH]

32 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

are they serious ?

 

look at the number of tests per thousand or per million inhabitants...

 

what a joke

You are the joke here lol The positivity rate is ZERO and have been ZERO for 2 months. Whether there is 2000 tests a day or 5000. 

[Logosone]

9 minutes ago, DavisH said:

PUI are also hospitalised - only released when they return a negative swab. But it other countries they go home and wait several days for the result - happily spreading their virus around. They self-isolate, you say????? The majority of Bangkokians still seem to e wearing their masks. Cannot get into Central without a mask. 

Masks are useless though because asymptomatic transmission rates actually measured are between 0 and 2.3 %. 

 

Not even worth the 50 baht.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.10.20097543v2.full.pdf

Edited July 29, 2020 by Logosone

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, DavisH said:

You are the joke here lol The positivity rate is ZERO and have been ZERO for 2 months. Whether there is 2000 tests a day or 5000. 

The positivity rate, or the percentage of positive tests among the tests processed, is of course related to the number of tests performed. The less tests that are done the higher the chance of a low positivity rate. More tests would generally result in higher positivity rate.

 

So actually the number of tests done is very related to the positivity rate.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Logosone said:

Masks are useless though because asymptomatic transmission estimates are between 0 and 2.3 %. 

 

 

 

Masks, the right kind and if worn properly, help prevent infected people from spreading the virus. And masks also, especially the better ones, can prevent healthy people from inhaling/ingesting the virus in the air.

 

Masks, while not perfect, are anything but useless. Just one tool among a series aimed at helping prevent the spread of the virus and keeping people healthy.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

 

Quote

 

CDC calls on Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread

JAMA editorial reviews latest science, while case study shows masks prevented COVID spread

Tuesday, July 14, 2020

 

Americans are increasingly adopting the use of cloth face masks to slow the spread of COVID-19, and the latest science may convince even more to do so.
 

In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.

 

 

[geriatrickid]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

Thailand has some top notch Doctors, Scientists, and their overall private medical facilities are outstanding.

Bravo Thailand.  Keep the restrictions and general borders shut indefinitely thanks.

 

Please do not fall over yourself with blind excitement. Yes,  Thailand did a good job at managing community spread by its  closing of borders, and its commercial lockdowns. As we now see from  other countries' results, a key factor was the suspension of  bars and night club activity. Every western country that is seeing a surge in cases now, can trace it too the bar and nightclub sector.  Close quarters in poorly ventilated spaces and reduced inhibitions have made transmission easy. Yes. thailand deserves praise for those basic measures.

 

However, you are  getting into North korea style  theatrics when you start singing the praises of thailand's hospital system and its scientists. Thailand's rural hospitals still use the ward system and this is the worst possible approach to treating contagious disease patients.

 

Scientists?  Like who? With all due respect to the  wonderful people at Mahidol, all relevant leading scientific discoveries have come from outside Thailand.

- None of the potential medications were developed in Thailand.

- None of the most likely human vaccine candidates has any relationship to Thailand.

- None of the  advanced medical equipment used to sustain life was developed  in Thailand.

- None of the current Covid19 intellectual capital has  any Thai contributions of importance.

Almost all of the key advances are being made in  Germany, France, UK, USA, Japan, Netherlands, Australia and Canada.  The Russians and Chinese have been trying to hack the USA, UK and Canada to access the novel intellectual data, not Thailand.

 

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Masks, the right kind and if worn properly, help prevent infected people from spreading the virus.

And how would they do that if asymptomatic transmission has been documented at 0 to 2.3% transmission?

 

Remember the whole argument for masks was "Oh no, all those asymptomatic people are spreading the virus".

 

Turns out asymptomatic transmission is 0 to 2.3%. So pray tell how is a mask going to be of any relevance?

Edited July 29, 2020 by Logosone

[4MyEgo]

33 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 First we've got a nut-job president and his nut-job son. And now courtesy of the ever reliable, truthful Breitbart News, we've got a group of nut-job doctors.

 

From the CNN article linked above:

 

 

 

I will ask, did you see the video before it was pulled, or have you already believed what mainstream media are alleging, because I will tell you what, if you think that these Dr's are nut jobs, you must have a lot of them in the USA.

 

Don't be too quick to believe the bigger more powerful machine, there is enough evidence out there to convince me that what these guys are saying is true, I mean ask yourself this, do they stand to make a lot of money out of this, if not, then why would they be sharing their experiences with others ?

 

I have that video and another recent one which fully explains how the virus works and how those medications kill the virus, or do you prefer to have a vaccine forced upon you because the other choice has been taken off the shelves because it would interfere with the bigger objective of the big pharmas who stand to make trillions ? 

Edited July 29, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[rabas]

21 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Masks are useless though because asymptomatic transmission rates actually measured are between 0 and 2.3 %. 

 

Not even worth the 50 baht.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.10.20097543v2.full.pdf

Reference? What you listed is not a reference and has no information, did you read it?   Here are real references which strongly disagree. They suggest about 45%.

 

New England Journal of Medicine: Asymptomatic Transmission, the Achilles’ Heel of Current Strategies to Control Covid-19

 

Annals of Internal Medicine: Prevalence of Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection

 

"Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections, and they can transmit the virus to others for an extended period, perhaps longer than 14 days"

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by rabas

[Crossy]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

It's Johns Hopkins University. The Johns Hopkins University is a private research university in Baltimore, Maryland. Founded in 1876, the university was named for its first benefactor, the American entrepreneur, abolitionist, and philanthropist Johns Hopkins. 

 

Please amend the name on your topic article.

 

Fixed, we don't normally edit news items but the original Sanook article had the university name correct. 

 

[4MyEgo]

20 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Don't you think if Hydrochloroquine were a cure the pharma companies would be all over it and producing similar drugs? 

 

Trials are being conducted on this. We'll have to see.

The cost for hydroxychloroquine oral tablet 200 mg is around $37 for a supply of 100 tablets, depending on the pharmacy you visit. 

 

The only real difference with Covid-19 and the other Coronaviruses is that it spreads easier, a vaccine is not required to stop it, that is overkill as has been shutting the world down, big pharma stand to make trillions out of a vaccine, why would they want to pull Hydroxychloroquine off of the shelves when safer studies using the twice a week dosage of 200ml tablets works as opposed to 10 x the amount which caused toxicity in the patients and killing them, loaded doses perhaps to help can the only drug known at the right use to stop the virus in its tracks ?

 

Do you believe governments, do you believe big companies at having our best interests at hand, well if you do, I will leave it at that, I believe qualified people who go against the grain, I did it once, although I was correct and everyone in my industry knew it, they shut me down, only a few brave ones will see things for what they are, the others will bury their heads back in the sand and keep their pay packets coming in to pay their mortgages etc etc etc, fortunately for me, I was at retirement age when exposed my industry, but to no avail, that said, I didn't lose any sleep over it, it is what it is.  

[Logosone]

12 minutes ago, rabas said:

Reference? What you listed is not a reference and has no information, did you read it?   Here are real references which strongly disagree. They suggest about 45%.

 

New England Journal of Medicine: Asymptomatic Transmission, the Achilles’ Heel of Current Strategies to Control Covid-19

 

Annals of Internal Medicine: Prevalence of Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection

 

"Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections, and they can transmit the virus to others for an extended period, perhaps longer than 14 days"

 

I posted the reference, it's in your quote itself. And yes, I read it serveral times. It's on page 8. 

 

The difference between your source which says "asymptomatic persons "seem to account" is that the study quoted cites no less than FOUR studies that actually measured asymptomatic transmission, all of which found asymptomatic transmission to be between 0 and 2.3%.

 

Remember the WHO briefly pointed to the fact that asymptomatic transmission is considerably less than originally thought.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.10.20097543v2.full.pdf

Edited July 29, 2020 by Logosone

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

"Covid-19: Thailand named best in the world in coronavirus pandemic recovery stats"

 

its a shame the UK doesn't recognise this ????

Get real mate. Fraudulent and complete and utter lack of testing would be my guess ! UK tests is about 22% of the population - Thailand test and dire and pathetic 1%. If they found 3298 cases in Thailand based on 717,814 tests, that would equate to about 68,000 cases if ramped up to higher country testing . They also don;t test the dead, and with death at 558,000 a year of all causes, it is very clear they are not testing the dead going by their tests so far. No test, no cases. 

 

 

UK

300,692

45,878

N/A

N/A

97

4,428

676

15,197,099

223,772

67,913,277

Thailand

3,298

+1

58

3,111

129

1

47

0.8

717,814

10,282

69,813,599

[pantsonfire]

I firmly believe they should not close borders totally. Ban a common tourist yes like for 3-4 days that come and go that cant be traced.  Allow those willing to quarantine not based on status etc. There are causes for people to go back to Thailand to spend time with family, loved ones etc.  Even Thais abroad are struggling to get back. How is this managed well?

 

If the case Thailand has done so well,  they shoulf handle and allow people in without permits, residency and manage the ones who want to stay throughout quarantine. 

[scammed]

3 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

What do you think 2nd, 3rd and 4th waves will do in Europe or the US?

 

Well done Thailand !

there wont be any 2nd 3rd 4th waves anywhere

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Almost all of the key advances are being made in  Germany, France, UK, USA, Japan, Netherlands, Australia and Canada.  The Russians and Chinese have been trying to hack the USA, UK and Canada to access the novel intellectual data, not Thailand.

 

Looks like the Russian hacking paid off, they're getting approval for vaccine in 2 weeks, I pity the front line health workers who are first inline for the shots.

 

Exclusive: Russia prepares for world's first approval of a Covid-19 vaccine by mid-August, but questions remain.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html

 

Of course as with Russia there is no published scientific data on the vaccine yet.

[rabas]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I posted the reference, it's in your quote itself. And yes, I read it serveral times. It's on page 8. 

 

The difference between your source which says "asymptomatic persons "seem to account" is that the study quoted cites no less than FOUR studies that actually measured asymptomatic transmission, all of which found asymptomatic transmission to be between 0 and 2.3%.

 

Remember the WHO briefly pointed to the fact that asymptomatic transmission is considerably less than originally thought.

Sorry, when I clicked the first time I only got the header page with author names.

 

However, your study is a 'meta' study of other peoples' work and they use a variety of criteria to reject several studies. Even so, one of the largest accepted studies shows 79 asymptomatic transmissions for every 100 symptomatic ones. That's very significant. 

 

WHO? I pay no attention to what WHO says about SARS2 because every position they have taken so far has later been shown to maximize the spread. Think China.

 

1. Barely contagious. - wrong

2. Masks not needed (as China was buying up the world's supply)

3. No need to ban flights (as China was exporting the virus by air from Wuhan)

4. etc.

 

 

[uncleP]

These stats are meaningless and not indicative of true recovery rates. Thailand hospitalized everyone infected with covid 19 whereas most countries  only hospitalized the seriously I'll. Thai death rates are around 2% pretty  much inline with international  trends.

[86Tiger]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Reference? What you listed is not a reference and has no information, did you read it?   Here are real references which strongly disagree. They suggest about 45%.

 

New England Journal of Medicine: Asymptomatic Transmission, the Achilles’ Heel of Current Strategies to Control Covid-19

 

Annals of Internal Medicine: Prevalence of Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection

 

"Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections, and they can transmit the virus to others for an extended period, perhaps longer than 14 days"

 

Since the mask rabbit hole has started again and you reference the good troopers from New England, I'll just leave this here to stir the pot again:

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372