Can we extend "expired" visas while on Amnesty?

[claffey]

My Non B visa expires on Aug 14th. I am suppose to start a job in China when or if the borders reopen. If I go on the amnesty can I extend by 60 days on Sept 26th as I have a Thai wife and son? My Non B will be expired so how can I extend it if it is expired!! Is it possible to switch to a Non O visa while on Amnesty?

 

Or should I apply for 60 day extension before Aug 14th but lose the amnesty time?

 

Ubon Joe already advised me to take amnesty and apply for 60 days at end of it. However there are many posts here that are reporting IO's will not extend already expired visas. They are also refusing to switch visas to Non O without leaving country?

 It is all so confusing. I dont want to be walking around with an expired visa in my passport but I need the max time to be with my family until borders reopen.

 

Thank you for you advice.

[Max69xl]

In the announcement from immigration a week ago they said if you use your 60 days extension during the next "amnesty" extension, it will begin from September 27. But as usual it will probably depend on the local immigration office.

[ubonjoe]

Visas are not extended. Only a permit to stay in the country from a visa, extension or in this case automatic extension under the amnesty can be extended.

After you are in the country your visas expiration date means nothing.

Go to immigration about mid September and apply for the 60 day extension and it should start from the 27th.

[claffey]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Visas are not extended. Only a permit to stay in the country from a visa, extension or in this case automatic extension under the amnesty can be extended.

After you are in the country your visas expiration date means nothing.

Go to immigration about mid September and apply for the 60 day extension and it should start from the 

Thank you Ubonjoe.

 

Is it possible for me to then apply for Non O spouse visa at end of 60 days in November in CW? Assuming that borders in neighbouring countries remain closed.

 

Also I will be working online for my new company in China until border opens. Will CW allow me to use this as income for Non O app? Hopefully they will be flexible? Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, claffey said:

Is it possible for me to then apply for Non O spouse visa at end of 60 days in November in CW? Assuming that borders in neighbouring countries remain closed.

You cannot apply for a visa at immigration. You could apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage.

 

4 minutes ago, claffey said:

Also I will be working online for my new company in China until border opens. Will CW allow me to use this as income for Non O app? Hopefully they will be flexible? Thanks.

You would have show at least 40k baht transferred from abroad for at least 2 months to do the extension of stay application.

They can also can ask for proof of the source of your income. With only proof of working on online it would be very difficult to do.

[claffey]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You cannot apply for a visa at immigration. You could apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage.

 

You would have show at least 40k baht transferred from abroad for at least 2 months to do the extension of stay application.

They can also can ask for proof of the source of your income. With only proof of working on online it would be very difficult to do.

I could show my contract from China and proof of foreign transactions. What if I registered to pay taxes here on the income from China if that is possible? Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

24 minutes ago, claffey said:

I could show my contract from China and proof of foreign transactions. What if I registered to pay taxes here on the income from China if that is possible? Thanks.

I don't any of that would be accepted as proof of the source of your income. Tax payment receipts are only accepted if you are working here with a work permit.

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, Max69xl said:

In the announcement from immigration a week ago they said if you use your 60 days extension during the next "amnesty" extension, it will begin from September 27. But as usual it will probably depend on the local immigration office.

That's the whole problem with this country, and it has been like that since long before the soldiers took over. IOs should be given their rules about visas etc, by the government and stopping all this nonsense with the IOs all interpretating the rules to suit themselves.

[pookondee]

2 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

That's the whole problem with this country, and it has been like that since long before the soldiers took over. IOs should be given their rules about visas etc, by the government and stopping all this nonsense with the IOs all interpretating the rules to suit themselves.

Unfortunately, Immigration officers are given the powers to treat each individual case at their own discretion.

And its not just Thailand.

 

If they personally think someone is a "deplorable" they can and will hassle you and find excuses to mess with you.

 

Years ago in the west they would pull you up and go through all your stuff, simply for having long hair and a few tatts.

 

The thing most bewildering tho, is the way many people talk down to, and are quite disrespectful to Thai IO's..

yet they would never dream of doing the same thing at home, else expect to be handcuffed and dragged away.

 

For 8 years i have turned up with the right visa (granted from my own country) in Thailand and never once had one problem.

 

I guess if you keep pushing your luck wanting free VE's, gaming the system,

and doing back to backs on the cheap,

like a down and out illegal worker..

then start lecturing Thai IMs on what is "the law"

and your "rights", then of course expect to get tripped up sooner or later.

 

You must admit, there is very near nowhere else in the world you would have  got away with some of the stuff thats gone down in Thailand over the last 20+ years as far as visas go.

 

[natway09]

Pookondee.

Well said Sir, some of these moaners should have a look at the requirements for their own countrise

then they would know what a headache really is.

[Max69xl]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

That's the whole problem with this country, and it has been like that since long before the soldiers took over. IOs should be given their rules about visas etc, by the government and stopping all this nonsense with the IOs all interpretating the rules to suit themselves.

I don't think the reason immigration offices interprets rules and regulations differently have anything to do with the military coup in 2014. It's the head of immigration in BKK who should shape up and pass over crucial information in a better and official way when there are changes. 

[Peter Denis]

22 hours ago, claffey said:

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Is it possible for me to then apply for Non O spouse visa at end of 60 days in November in CW? Assuming that borders in neighbouring countries remain closed.

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22 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You cannot apply for a visa at immigration. You could apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage.

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You would have show at least 40k baht transferred from abroad for at least 2 months to do the extension of stay application.

They can also can ask for proof of the source of your income. With only proof of working on online it would be very difficult to do.

 

You have till end of the Amnesty (26 September) to apply for the 60-days extension of stay for reason of visiting your thai wife/thai dependant children.  That 60-day extension will start from. 27 September, and will provide you with a permission to stay till 25 November.

Before that 25 November permission to stay expires, you can then apply for the 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O Visa.

The two +40K monthly income transfers in October and November to meet the financial requirements for that 1-year extension of stay application, would require you to prove the foreign origins of those two transfers.  And IO might also require you to provide proof of the SOURCE of that foreign income (e.g. a pension statement provided by your pension provider, or an Embassy issued foreign income-statement).

If that might spell trouble, you could also use the 'fool-proof' funds-in-bank method to meet the financial requirements for that 1-year extension of stay application.

That would require that you transfer +400K to your personal thai bank-account 2 months before the application date for your 1-year extension of stay (ultimately 25 Nov).  When applying 1 week earlier for that 1-year extension of stay (to enable you to provide any missing or incomplete documents in your application), that means you would have to ensure that the +400K arrives ultimate 18 September on your personal thai bank-account.  Using that method there is NO need to prove the foreign origin of the funds nor their source, hence my 'fool-proof' remark.

When you apply for the 1-year extension of stay for reason of MARRIAGE, you would need to keep the +400K in your personal thai bank-account during the 'under consideration' period which can last 3-4 weeks.  But once you got the 1-year permission to stay stamp in your passport you can use the +400K as you please, and would only need to top up again to 400K two months before applying for your next 1-year extension of stay.

 

[noosard]

7 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

You have till end of the Amnesty (26 September) to apply for the 60-days extension of stay for reason of visiting your thai wife/thai dependant children.  That 60-day extension will start from. 27 September, and will provide you with a permission to stay till 25 November.

Before that 25 November permission to stay expires, you can then apply for the 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O Visa.

The two +40K monthly income transfers in October and November to meet the financial requirements for that 1-year extension of stay application, would require you to prove the foreign origins of those two transfers.  And IO might also require you to provide proof of the SOURCE of that foreign income (e.g. a pension statement provided by your pension provider, or an Embassy issued foreign income-statement).

If that might spell trouble, you could also use the 'fool-proof' funds-in-bank method to meet the financial requirements for that 1-year extension of stay application.

That would require that you transfer +400K to your personal thai bank-account 2 months before the application date for your 1-year extension of stay (ultimately 25 Nov).  When applying 1 week earlier for that 1-year extension of stay (to enable you to provide any missing or incomplete documents in your application), that means you would have to ensure that the +400K arrives ultimate 18 September on your personal thai bank-account.  Using that method there is NO need to prove the foreign origin of the funds nor their source, hence my 'fool-proof' remark.

When you apply for the 1-year extension of stay for reason of MARRIAGE, you would need to keep the +400K in your personal thai bank-account during the 'under consideration' period which can last 3-4 weeks.  But once you got the 1-year permission to stay stamp in your passport you can use the +400K as you please, and would only need to top up again to 400K two months before applying for your next 1-year extension of stay.

 

That depends on which immigration office that you go to

Some offices want a a valid visa date or  valid extension date

Which now would mean you would have already done a 60 day extension

So need to do 1 year extension before that 60 days runs out

Which is what I have done  3 weeks early   but it is done

The reason I did early was there was mentioned something about make sure do before 15 days

Not understand so went and did

[Peter Denis]

28 minutes ago, noosard said:

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So need to do 1 year extension before that 60 days runs out

Which is what I have done  3 weeks early   but it is done

The reason I did early was there was mentioned something about make sure do before 15 days

Not understand so went and did

When applying in-country for the 90-day Non Imm O Visa that needs to be done 15 days (some offices require 23 days) before the permission to stay from your Visa Exempt or Tourist Visa expires.

When applying for the 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O Visa, that can be done until the last day of your valid permission to stay.