Trump says he will posthumously pardon U.S. women's rights activist Susan B. Anthony

[wwest5829]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

It's such an obvious problem that not only does the left absolutely refuse to credit Trump for anything they are just as intent on finding any possible way of twisting a good deed into something illegal, nefarious, self-serving or other.  It's sick, in my view.

Not so ... I give The Donald full credit for attempting to break the United States Postal system to restrict the citizen vote based on his own words.

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

i can guarantee you that there is not an ounce of sincerity in any politician roaming this planet.

Anything they utter is the result of hours in conference rooms trying to work out the strategy which

will appeal to the greatest amount of voters.

Just go to their past history and you will find more twists and turnarounds than a hula dancer on LSD

While I do not agree with your posit that all politicians are corrupt, do you not get hoisted on your own petard by stating that politicians look to appeal to the greatest number of voters? After all, are they not to serve what the greatest number of citizens want? Don't miss understand my stance, which is, the citizens bear the ultimate responsibility. Therein, the system is flawed as spoken about concerning what is, "the general will" by Rousseau. Of course that pretty well depends on a literate and educated citizenry ... in the USA a dubious hope.

[Motoko]

Susan B Anthony was a good woman, and moderate by today's standards. She was a populist feminist, pushing labor reform and reform for women in an industrial era, but fighting against abortion and other forms of exploitation, now connected to the left.

 

Trump, himself is a moderate, trimming the old <deleted> from the GOP, curtailing the religious and corporate lobbies, and listening to calls for a wall.

 

Trump is comparable to Anthony, because he fights the same kind of exploiters and bigots ruining America. Trimming the lunatic fringes, upholding the moderate.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Motoko

[ChouDoufu]

the same day he signed his clickbait reality-teevee pardon, 944 americans died of covid19. 

 

that's about one death every 90 seconds.  how many died while he was preparing and performing his little stunt?  (yeah, i know.....it is what it is.)

 

now that he's finished pandering, and tweeting about how ***ing marvelous he is, perhaps he might find a wee, tiny bit of time to do his job?

 

 

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Tug you have a strange sense of logic.  Trump has done nothing to alter women's reproductiver rights.  In terms of social security that program has been bankrupt for decades long long long before Trump ever even considered running for office.  I guess you have no problem with Biden saying he was deliberately picking a woman and a black woman.  But as an Anti Trumper I suppose you don't look at that as pandering to women and blacks to gain their votes. 

 

Biden never said that.

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, Motoko said:

Susan B Anthony was a good woman, and moderate by today's standards. She was a populist feminist, pushing labor reform and reform for women in an industrial era, but fighting against abortion and other forms of exploitation, now connected to the left.

 

Trump, himself is a moderate, trimming the old <deleted> from the GOP, curtailing the religious and corporate lobbies, and listening to calls for a wall.

 

Trump is comparable to Anthony, because he fights the same kind of exploiters and bigots ruining America. Trimming the lunatic fringes, upholding the moderate.

Only if he can make a $ out of it.

[Motoko]

2 hours ago, rcummings said:

We can see how self serving Trump is in regards to women's right by looking at his 180 degree flip-flop on reproductive rights. Trump was a strong supporter of abortion rights. Strangely enough he turned into an ardent foe when he campaigned for the nomination and since. 

Trump has always been pro-life, sorry. That is one thing he stands for, and in return he was attacked by religious nutcases, for saying that an unborn baby could have been the next Beethoven (or whomever he used to illustrate the point). Such language was always used by pro-lifers themselves, until their descent into silliness, which followed their pairing up to big business too closely.

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Motoko said:

Susan B Anthony was a good woman, and moderate by today's standards. She was a populist feminist, pushing labor reform and reform for women in an industrial era, but fighting against abortion and other forms of exploitation, now connected to the left.

 

Trump, himself is a moderate, trimming the old <deleted> from the GOP, curtailing the religious and corporate lobbies, and listening to calls for a wall.

 

Trump is comparable to Anthony, because he fights the same kind of exploiters and bigots ruining America. Trimming the lunatic fringes, upholding the moderate.

For a moment, I thought you were being sarcastic.....

[Motoko]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Only if he can make a $ out of it.

Is that a sin?

[rumak]

28 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

While I do not agree with your posit that all politicians are corrupt, do you not get hoisted on your own petard by stating that politicians look to appeal to the greatest number of voters? After all, are they not to serve what the greatest number of citizens want? Don't miss understand my stance, which is, the citizens bear the ultimate responsibility. Therein, the system is flawed as spoken about concerning what is, "the general will" by Rousseau. Of course that pretty well depends on a literate and educated citizenry ... in the USA a dubious hope.

i would love to reward my idealistic nature with the belief that  by doing this or electing that person or

dreaming of a better world ........ that any of those things would ever come true.  I am just sorry ww,

that my vision is blurred by what I see as a totally fkd up world.    OUCH !   Can't help but tell it how

i see it.     I was disenchanted with the system in my early years ,  and much more so in today's world.

 

I don't want to bore people with a novel on the subject  lol      I just look out for myself, try to be the best I can,  not judge others too harshly ( a tough one for me).......... and never to lose my sense of humor that used to get me kicked out of class in my youth.   

 

I recommend the show Billions ........ the first few seasons portray what i believe to be a great insight

into the reality of politics and power.

 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, Motoko said:

Trump has always been pro-life, sorry. That is one thing he stands for, and in return he was attacked by religious nutcases, for saying that an unborn baby could have been the next Beethoven (or whomever he used to illustrate the point). Such language was always used by pro-lifers themselves, until their descent into silliness, which followed their pairing up to big business too closely.

Trump publicly declared he was very pro-choice in 1999.

[jimmybcool]

11 hours ago, stevenl said:

I was only pointing out, and I'll do it again now, that your comment 'Funny stuff.  If Obama had done it Tug would be applauding him. ' was not correct, since Tug also in the case of Trump doing it said he agreed. And that is one thing Trump fans don't understand, people looking at it may not like Trump, but is he does something good they will say so. Whereas the Trump fans will always agree with Trump, even if he, and therefore they, need to bend like willows to achieve that.

Did you seriously say that people will recognize it if Trump does something good?  Not usually.  Usually all they can do (as Tug did) is point out its for the wrong reasons.  

 

And for the record - I own no MAGA hat nor am I enamored by Trump.  I wish I had a decent candidate to vote for.  Lacking that I am forced to vote for Trump as the lesser evil between GOP and DEM parties.

 

 

 

 

[Motoko]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Trump publicly declared he was very pro-choice in 1999.

I do not believe so, and my comments are not satire. The Trump campaign was a major shift in his party, curtailing identity politics and corporate power. A Democrat victory would have meant the Clintons in again.

 

Whereas, as a modern American, he supports sexual freedoms, to the point of advocating A of C reform on the Howard Stern show. He is not a right wing nut, as he is presented to the US.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Motoko

[ujayujay]

Pinocchio must be desperate????????????

[Morch]

11 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Trump can do nothing good in their eyes .

Everything that Trump does is bad and wrong .

They always find a negative angle , like in this story "only doing it for votes" 

 

Try reading the topic. Comment were made that go against your opinion. Then maybe cite instances Trump praised the opposition, his predecessor and people disagreeing with him. Shouldn't be a long list.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

@johnnybangkok

 

Earlier we had a discussion about the letter sent to publishers by "We Have Her Back" group.  You insisted there were no underlying motives behind the letter and that you take it at face value.  Just curious.  Do you take Trump's pardon of Susan B. Anthony on face value or do read nefarious or self-serving motives by Trump into it?

 

Because it's exactly the same? Not really. More like you are trying, again, to treat that other instance out of context. Given Trump's track record, should we believe that he truly cares about this? That he even knew of Anthony previously?

[Scott]

Trolling meme has been removed. 

 

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

It's such an obvious problem that not only does the left absolutely refuse to credit Trump for anything they are just as intent on finding any possible way of twisting a good deed into something illegal, nefarious, self-serving or other.  It's sick, in my view.

 

You too may benefit from actually reading posts you're commenting on. There's no requirement to fully (or for that matter, even partially) credit Trump in the manner you seem to require. There's no obligation to ignore his track record, character, behavior and words in relation to this current episode.

 

Your ongoing "sick" etc. labeling of people not seeing things your way is over the top.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, I didnt choose to ignore it, I didnt read that , where was it written ?

 

Yeah, why read the topic before commenting, eh?

[Morch]

10 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Even those posts , they were critical of Trump, stating that he only did it to get votes .

Thats not really praise , now is it .

Which proves my point, anything Trump does , Lefties will criticize him , and find an angle to do so .

 

It is perfectly legit to assert that Trump sometimes does good things for the wrong reasons. You want to paint Trump as some great believer in women's rights, as having much respect for women, informed enough to know who Anthony was prior to this etc. - go right ahead. There's no obligation to embrace such views, and no particular reason to imagine this latest stunt was genuine.

[Morch]

7 hours ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

Yes, because Hillary Clinton did not do that for the last 3-4 years.

 

But but but....

[candide]

2 hours ago, Motoko said:

I do not believe so, and my comments are not satire. The Trump campaign was a major shift in his party, curtailing identity politics and corporate power. A Democrat victory would have meant the Clintons in again.

 

Whereas, as a modern American, he supports sexual freedoms, to the point of advocating A of C reform on the Howard Stern show. He is not a right wing nut, as he is presented to the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

 

About the other issues, I think he's more a marketing guy than a convinced politician. He identified unmet expectations from core market segments and knew how to communicate to them. Actually, it goes beyond analytics. He and his core supporters are in full resonance. He feels how to talk to them.

 

[Motoko]

24 minutes ago, candide said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

 

About the other issues, I think he's more a marketing guy than a convinced politician. He identified unmet expectations from core market segments and knew how to communicate to them. Actually, it goes beyond analytics. He and his core supporters are in full resonance. He feels how to talk to them.

 

I agree with you but who else bothered to listen?

[candide]

32 minutes ago, Motoko said:

I agree with you but who else bothered to listen?

I agree with you that the Dems have somehow lost contact with people who feel they have been left behind.

However:

- some of these expectations may not be in accordance with other values 

- some expectations may not be realistic. For example, get back manufacturing jobs. Under Trump's pressure they may be relocated from China, but for most of them not in the US, more likely in Vietnam, etc...

- the short term and highly visible solutions Trump is only able to come up with (tariffs, increase debt to finance tax cuts, etc...), are not particularly effective, I.e. US trade deficit increased during Trumps tenure.

[Redline]

Indicating that she had done something wrong, when she was she was carrying out what she believed was unjust ????

[RocketDog]

On 8/19/2020 at 7:10 AM, jimmybcool said:

Funny stuff.  If Obama had done it Tug would be applauding him.  

Maybe that's because he would know that Obama's motives would be genuine and not simply transparent and disengenuous political maneuvers aimed at wringing a few potential votes out of a rapidly deflating base using what he believes is clever guile. 

 

It strikes me as almost laughably ironic that Agent Orange celebrates himself by pardoning a Lady that fought for human rights and equal treatment while previously also pardoning a number of greedy flimflam men whose only goal was to enrich themselves at the expense of others and/or engage in outright criminal activities. 

 

You can put lipstick on a pig, but a pig he remains and the majority of folks still see it so. But not all of course. 

[KhunFred]

How sleazy.  Trying to curry favor with a meaningless gesture to a cause he has never supported.

[RocketDog]

3 hours ago, KhunFred said:

How sleazy.  Trying to curry favor with a meaningless gesture to a cause he has never supported.

Fred, if I had a satong for every time I've heard the word 'sleazy ' used in reference to Trump I'd be sipping tea with PM Prayut and admiring an armful of Rolex watches right now. 

 

The truth is that outrage for this clown has outpaced and exhausted the supply of derogative  I appreciate your efforts, but I'm afraid it's a losing game despite being admittedly marginally therapeutic. 

 

The only adjective I want to hear in relation to this president is 'previous'. 

 

I will crawl on my hands and knees if necessary to get to the ballot box in my home country to ensure that my vote is cast. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Scott

[Tippaporn]

19 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Because it's exactly the same? Not really. More like you are trying, again, to treat that other instance out of context. Given Trump's track record, should we believe that he truly cares about this? That he even knew of Anthony previously?

Your hatred wouldn't allow you to believe otherwise.  It's that simple.

[rcummings]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Your hatred wouldn't allow you to believe otherwise.  It's that simple.

Very convenient to allege others' motivations. Since there's no way of disproving such allegations. Or proving them.