What happens next with UK plan to breach Brexit divorce treaty?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

bojo has promised to play the freeport card if the eu wont respond

So this potentially makes imports to the UK tariff free.  How exactly will this help UK exporters to the EU?

[Loiner]

20 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You signed the WA. You knew all that it contained. If you didn’t then that is crass incompetence. 
 

Honour the treaty you willingly signed. 

I call it getting one over the EU, beating them at their own game.

We'll stick to our own rule on our internal borders now thanks.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Loiner said:

I call it getting one over the EU, beating them at their own game.

We'll stick to our own rule on our internal borders now thanks.

Call it what you want, won’t change the fact you are breaking international law with your attempt to undermine a treaty you willingly signed and passed in your parliament. 

[daejung]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I find it hilarious. The Dutch (like the French and others) bend over and do the Germans bidding. Why are the EU countries so angry we are leaving the EU. After all we are going to be like North Korea, allegedly.

I am french and not angry, may be happy. Nobody is angry. UK never accepted the EU rules since 1973, always tried to slowdown europe unification and had a special status

 

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

How will the Dutch, French and Spanish fishing industries be by the way when we leave with no deal. Say bye bye we don't need you. But, that has not been the message for the last 4 years. It has been one of posturing, threatening and do as we say, or else.

Since you export what you fish to the european market, I guess you will have no choice but eating what you fish, whithout any deal

 

"Rira bien qui rira le dernier". Laughs best who laughs last

[Loiner]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

Some exports are relatively specialised but there are many others such as Welsh lamb, Dennis trucks, etc which are easily substituted. 

 

A 'no deal' trade deal in goods will almost certainly mean no a 'no equivalence' deal in services, and that really will hurt.

You would have trouble substituting Welsh lamb with something else, Nondescript Homogenized Euro Lamb possibly, from a decidedly dodgy Eastern European some-sort-of meat factory. Don't they have EU rules about that?

 

Services, particularly financial, are still looking like they will stay in the UK. Hey, that's some real Remainers for you.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

No fires just free trade with the world. UK has many options too, more than when tied into the protectionist EU bloc.

How many UK goods are transported across Europe? Not many I'll bet, and not as many transported into Europe. Certainly not as many as EU goods are transported across the channel. If you are worried about waiting hours, depart earlier or find another route.
A deal may be acceptable, but not a capitulation which the EU wants.

 

Seems like the UK Road Haulage Association don't share your view

 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-meeting-michael-gove-hauliers-a4550171.html

 

At least Johnson is keeping to his word about one thing. He said '<deleted> business', and there can't be any doubt that he's trying his utmost to do just that.

[Loiner]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Call it what you want, won’t change the fact you are breaking international law with your attempt to undermine a treaty you willingly signed and passed in your parliament. 

We have lawyers lined up to say that we are not breaking international law.

My lawyers are better than your lawyers. You can have Amal Clooney too, she's useless.

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Seems like the UK Road Haulage Association don't share your view

 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-meeting-michael-gove-hauliers-a4550171.html

 

At least Johnson is keeping to his word about one thing. He said '<deleted> business', and there can't be any doubt that he's trying his utmost to do just that.

Who gives a truck what a bunch of truckers say?

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We have lawyers lined up to say that we are not breaking international law.

My lawyers are better than your lawyers. You can have Amal Clooney too, she's useless.

The head of your governments legal department resigned because of what you say you are going to do.
 

That is telling. 

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You would have trouble substituting Welsh lamb with something else, Nondescript Homogenized Euro Lamb possibly, from a decidedly dodgy Eastern European some-sort-of meat factory. Don't they have EU rules about that?

 

Services, particularly financial, are still looking like they will stay in the UK. Hey, that's some real Remainers for you.

There's a pattern emerging here. I keep citing sources, which show the negative effects of Brexit/ No deal, you reply with some abuse about the EU. No point me breaking this trend.

https://qz.com/1799090/for-wall-street-banks-in-london-brexit-may-never-be-truly-over/amp/

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The head of your governments legal department resigned because of what you say you are going to do.
 

That is telling. 

Tells me they are not up to their job.

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

There's a pattern emerging here. I keep citing sources, which show the negative effects of Brexit/ No deal, you reply with some abuse about the EU. No point me breaking this trend.

https://qz.com/1799090/for-wall-street-banks-in-london-brexit-may-never-be-truly-over/amp/

You can quote what you like. It won't stop me breaking my trend.

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Who gives a truck what a bunch of truckers say?

Err.. perhaps the UK government should. But that's too much to ask. We're lead by a bloke who doesn't seem to give a toss about anything.

[RayC]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

You can quote what you like. It won't stop me breaking my trend.

I can see that. Where did logical reasoning ever get anyone, anyway?

[Old Dissenter]

23 hours ago, Loiner said:

The UK continues to maintain its own laws and regulations within its own borders is pretty much what it boils down to. Sorry EU but suck it up, your plans were thwarted by the one the Remainers call a buffoon.

The question is , what of the rules and regulations concerning the land border with the ROI?

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Tells me they are not up to their job.

No, that’s what you tell yourself because the truth is too much for you to handle. 

[daejung]

50 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You would have trouble substituting Welsh lamb with something else, Nondescript Homogenized Euro Lamb possibly, from a decidedly dodgy Eastern European some-sort-of meat factory. Don't they have EU rules about that?

I never ate welsh lamb in my life nor any lamb from any other country than France (excepted when I travel abroad). Lamb from southern France is famous in France nationwide.

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, mfd101 said:

The EU has a right. The UK has a different right.

 

The two rights are incompatible. So they will just go round in circles.

perhaps the british should take a leaf out the french farmers book and just ignore anything they don,t like.

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, daejung said:

I never ate welsh lamb in my life nor any lamb from any other country than France (excepted when I travel abroad). Lamb from southern France is famous in France nationwide.

Welsh, English, Oz & Kiwi lamb take some beating. I can't say as i've tried any from elsewhere.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, daejung said:

I am french and not angry, may be happy. Nobody is angry. UK never accepted the EU rules since 1973, always tried to slowdown europe unification and had a special status

 

Since you export what you fish to the european market, I guess you will have no choice but eating what you fish, whithout any deal

 

"Rira bien qui rira le dernier". Laughs best who laughs last

ooooo la la.

[Nigel Garvie]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

ooooo la la.

I have never met a French person who said oooo la la in my life, maybe you should re-assess your stereotypes, this one is hopelessly jaded.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Err.. perhaps the UK government should. But that's too much to ask. We're lead by a bloke who doesn't seem to give a toss about anything.

The problem is that that bloke was elected. Who votes for a serial liar who promises the impossible? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 hours ago, RayC said:

Why is 'No deal' good for either side?

It is “good” when the alternative is to have an agreement with a rogue state that cannot be trusted and with said agreement damaging your economy more than no deal. 

[david555]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The problem is that that bloke was elected. Who votes for a serial liar who promises the impossible? 

That moment they where in pure politic distress ......that's the ultimate chance for such a figure to grab his chance ....pure demagoog serial liar ,proven from the time when sacked by a brussels paper for pure inventing story's instead of reality ....so started his career as serial liar ....but he made it up to PM ????......say it all about the level of his voters ...i bet many start regretting now ...

 

Desperation is a bad tutor....????

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by david555

[Opl]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

perhaps the british should take a leaf out the french farmers book and just ignore anything they don,t like.

you mean when it comes to border checks on goods?  

Edited September 19, 2020 by Opl

[sharksy]

On 9/18/2020 at 2:19 PM, RuamRudy said:

If we were fully self sufficient with no need for international trade or multilateral agreements then you may be right, but the world no longer works like that. Your hero's victory will prove to be pyrrhic. 

China doesn't have many trade agreements, they seem to do ok

[david555]

1 hour ago, sharksy said:

China doesn't have many trade agreements, they seem to do ok

You like to work same as the Chinese in the factory's ?.....or under U.K  workers union rules ...make  your choice ..????

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I have never met a French person who said oooo la la in my life, maybe you should re-assess your stereotypes, this one is hopelessly jaded.

maybe you should try getting out and about a bit more

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, david555 said:

You like to work same as the Chinese in the factory's ?.....or under U.K  workers union rules ...make  your choice ..????

what uk workers union rules? with a glut of labour from the eu over 2 million of them under the "freedom of movement" the unions here have no power.

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, Opl said:

you mean when it comes to border checks on goods?  

 if it suits us,yes.