Majority of Americans, including many Republicans, say wait for election to replace Ginsburg - Reuters poll

[Thingamabob]

Reuters/Ipsos ? Oh dear. Best ignored.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, PattayaJames said:

That''s the spirit, I am sure you were wrong about just about everything over the last 5 years. 

But don't let that deter you. C'mon man, Biden's got this for sure. LOL

I did not predict Trump's last victory. However, millions of Americans knew little about who he really is. There are no excuses now. We all know who and what he is, and what he stands for now. Unless he steals the election, which he will attempt to do, he will lose by a large margin. The planet will celebrate. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, xofswen said:

Why does Mrs. Harris support fabricated episodes? She spoke the words, said what she said. She accused Biden based on fabrication, hmm, begs the question, how many criminal convictions based on fabrication. She should answer the question (among others), explain her position, like then and now. Clear the record.

I agree. I did not like her as District attorney of SF, and I opposed many of her policies as AG of California. However, that was then and this is now. The past of Trump is riddled with horrific and shameful behavior, draft dodging, bankruptcies, lawsuits, theft, dishonor and abuse. We all have skeletons. And Pence? A scary man. 

 

The nation needs to move on. The planet needs to move on. His disorder and chaos and incompetence is beyond unproductive. Biden and Harris represents the only viable option we have. 

[wwest5829]

11 hours ago, riclag said:

The law of the land gives the office of the Presidency  no matter who sits in it, the right to appoint a potential justice for the SC

 

Its up to the senate to confirm that candidate ,to fill a vacancy by a majority vote!

 

The electoral vote elected a President in 2016 to carry out his  constitutional duties as the POTUS ,one of those is appointing someone to fill a SCJ vacancy  during their term in office. 
The people  don't decide the procedures of the senate,the constitution makes that clear ,despite a reuters poll !

 

 

 

Cute. President Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland thus needed to be presented to the Senate for their confirmation. In spite of Mitch McConnell's manipulations.

[Tippaporn]

23 minutes ago, heybruce said:

47 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I think it was a bogus rule and the Constitution should be adhered to.  Hope that satisfies you and you won't pester me with "dodging the issue" any longer.

 

Now how about you?  Are you a constitutionalist or do you want to play by bogus Senate rules?

I think that a bogus rule used to disadvantage the Democrats should be kept in place when it disadvantages the Republicans, especially when the Senate leader who made the bogus rule is still Senate leader.

 

I also think Biden got it right when he said Supreme Court nominations should not be considered when election campaigns are in full swing.  It might be allowed in the Constitution, but a lot of things are allowed that are a bad idea.

Which Joe Biden are you talking about?  The Joe Biden who favoured postponing appointment in an election cycle in 1992 during a Republican presidency or the Joe Biden who argued that an appointment should be made in an election year in 2016 while a Democrat was in office or the Joe Biden that believes an appointment should be made after an election in 2020 while a Republican president is in office.  I'm confused.

 

Washington Examiner - Joe Biden opposed, then supported, and now opposes again election-year Supreme Court nominations

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Cute. President Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland thus needed to be presented to the Senate for their confirmation. In spite of Mitch McConnell's manipulations.

Agreed.  Let's all be honest with each other, though, and admit that both Dems and Republicans will stoop to purely political manipulations given the shoe is on one or the other's foot.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

If McConnell unscrupulously created a bogus rule which the Constitution does not support for the sole purpose of benefiting his party then wouldn't the Dems, claiming to be high-principled, honorable, and moralistic, stick to their principle of returning to the Constitution and be in favour of nominating and confirming a Supreme Court justice immediately, just as the Constitution states?  Or is it all about winning by any means, principled or not?

Really? The GOP has literally done a u-turn and demostrated they have the morals of an alley cat and you are questioning the Dems principles? Trump has forever tainted the GOP and whatever small amount of morals they previously had are well and truly gone now. But you already knew that and like most Trump fans simply didn't care in your fanatical pursuit of 'winning'. 

With the GOP there's no morals and there's no rules. The only rules they like are the ones they can bend or the ones they make up themselves. And even then they can simply ignore their own rules with no thought to anything other than their own selfish cause. You can't trust the GOP and the Dems should just chalk this one down to another reason to not give them an inch when they eventually gain the WH. They need to keep their eye on the big prize but only a clean sweep of Congress and the Senate will do any real good and that's the battle they should be 100% focused on. 

[nattaya09]

Great thing about polls in the 21st century is they no longer try to gauge voter sentiment but rather influence voter behavior

[wwest5829]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Agreed.  Let's all be honest with each other, though, and admit that both Dems and Republicans will stoop to purely political manipulations given the shoe is on one or the other's foot.

Sorry but I can't agree as I do not have that knowledge substantiated by doing the research. While I do have some study of history, specifics require more research. In, general we can agree that the American political system is corrupt and for sale to the highest bedder by far too many politicians in both parties. I am not ready to write off my country until the results of the coming election.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Really? The GOP has literally done a u-turn and demostrated they have the morals of an alley cat and you are questioning the Dems principles? Trump has forever tainted the GOP and whatever small amount of morals they previously had are well and truly gone now. But you already knew that and like most Trump fans simply didn't care in your fanatical pursuit of 'winning'. 

With the GOP there's no morals and there's no rules. The only rules they like are the ones they can bend or the ones they make up themselves. And even then they can simply ignore their own rules with no thought to anything other than their own selfish cause. You can't trust the GOP and the Dems should just chalk this one down to another reason to not give them an inch when they eventually gain the WH. They need to keep their eye on the big prize but only a clean sweep of Congress and the Senate will do any real good and that's the battle they should be 100% focused on. 

You must have missed this post.

 

22 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Which Joe Biden are you talking about?  The Joe Biden who favoured postponing appointment in an election cycle in 1992 during a Republican presidency or the Joe Biden who argued that an appointment should be made in an election year in 2016 while a Democrat was in office or the Joe Biden that believes an appointment should be made after an election in 2020 while a Republican president is in office.  I'm confused.

 

Washington Examiner - Joe Biden opposed, then supported, and now opposes again election-year Supreme Court nominations

The Dems have no principles.  Only political winds.

[johnnybangkok]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Agreed.  Let's all be honest with each other, though, and admit that both Dems and Republicans will stoop to purely political manipulations given the shoe is on one or the other's foot.

No. But we can admit the Dems have had to stoop so low to just keep at the same height as the GOP. 

I've said it before and will say it again; the GOP are playing 3 dimensional chess when it comes to politics; they cheat, lie and manipulate at a level the Dems can't even fathom.

It's time the Dems started playing the same game and started playing it just as nastily as the GOP. 

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Agreed.  Let's all be honest with each other, though, and admit that both Dems and Republicans will stoop to purely political manipulations given the shoe is on one or the other's foot.

Sorry but I can't agree as I do not have that knowledge substantiated by doing the research. While I do have some study of history, specifics require more research. In, general we can agree that the American political system is corrupt and for sale to the highest bedder by far too many politicians in both parties. I am not ready to write off my country until the results of the coming election.

You say you can't agree but your statement, "In, general we can agree that the American political system is corrupt and for sale to the highest bedder by far too many politicians in both parties," seems to confirm that you do agree that both Dems and Republicans will stoop to purely political manipulations.  Aren't political manipulations a form of corruption?

[rgraham]

We could leave it up to all of the children she...................oops no they are dead.

 

[ukrules]

People seem to be forgetting that Trumps first term doesn't end until Jan 20th, 2021, that's plenty of time.

 

I expect him to win, I'm sure he also expects to win, never give into the opposition, ever.

 

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

No. But we can admit the Dems have had to stoop so low to just keep at the same height as the GOP. 

<snip>. 

Please.  I couldn't think of a more ludicrous statement.  You seem to be suggesting that the Dems all have halos and the GOP horns.  I can't think of anybody that would buy that idea.

[DaftToPutRealName]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Specific examples would be referencing specific laws and explaining how the authors of such laws knew in advance that these laws would disproportionately affect minorities.  You haven't done that.

 

Once again, prosecutors are supposed to prosecute those who can be proven to have broken laws.  No doubt you would be just as quick to condemn Harris if she hadn't done that.

 

BTW:  The topic is about a poll stating that the majority of Americans want to wait until after the election before replacing Ginsburg.  How is your obsession with Kamala Harris's record as a prosecutor on-topic?

I'm sure I could provide you with pages of court notes, but you've already proven that it's not politically convenient for you to actually question your held beliefs, after all; you've already made up your mind by your constant inability to answer simple queries, nor to provide evidence but instead stonewall and dodge. Interesting.

With regards to being "on topic", this is how forums work - a parent post brings out an idea, which spawns child posts and discussions. I'm sorry if you find that confusing.

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Please.  I couldn't think of a more ludicrous statement.  You seem to be suggesting that the Dems all have halos and the GOP horns.  I can't think of anybody that would buy that idea.

Of course you can't. You're a Trump fan. The mere idea that people have principles and morals is a weakness to be ridiculed rather than an atribute to be celebrated.

Not all Dems have 'halos' but there's enough of them to make up a majority and just because you absolutley know the GOP are all a bunch of crooks and immoral, self-serving sycophants doesn't mean you get to tar the Dems with the same brush. 

As an example, we all know how numerous the criminal charges have been to Trumps entourage; in 8 years of Obama not a single one of his administration was even accused of wrong doings never mind criminally prosecuted for it. There's your difference right there.

 

[DaftToPutRealName]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The entire Reid episode was beyond fabricated. Anyone who thinks Biden pinned her up against a wall, in the very public halls of congress, needs to stop drinking the kool aid, and get some therapy immediately.

 

 

I thought we were supposed to "believe all women". 

At least, that's what it was like when Kavanaugh was under media pressure - are we flip-flopping again now that it's politically inconvenient to stick to our morality?

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, ukrules said:

People seem to be forgetting that Trumps first term doesn't end until Jan 20th, 2021, that's plenty of time.

 

I expect him to win, I'm sure he also expects to win, never give into the opposition, ever.

 

True.  But the Senate can change hands and the new 117th Congress begins on Jan. 3rd, 2021.  The current 116th Congress, specifically the Senate, will not be in session after Dec. 13th, 2020.  According to the 116th Congress legislative calendar the Senate did not resume until Jan. 15th of this year so we can expect a similar date for the 117th Congress.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Please.  I couldn't think of a more ludicrous statement.  You seem to be suggesting that the Dems all have halos and the GOP horns.  I can't think of anybody that would buy that idea.

Of course you can't. You're a Trump fan. The mere idea that people have principles and morals is a weakness to be ridiculed rather than an atribute to be celebrated.

Not all Dems have 'halos' but there's enough of them to make up a majority and just because you absolutley know the GOP are all a bunch of crooks and immoral, self-serving sycophants doesn't mean you get to tar the Dems with the same brush. 

As an example, we all know how numerous the criminal charges have been to Trumps entourage; in 8 years of Obama not a single one of his administration was even accused of wrong doings never mind criminally prosecuted for it. There's your difference right there.

 

Wow.  Just wow.  I'm pretty good at expressing my thoughts but your first paragraph leaves me speechless.  I'll leave you to indulge in your own thoughts on that topic.  But . . . wow.

 

As to the latter, we await the results of Durham's investigations and other investigations.  Some of Obama's people (that would be Dems) are not looking too good right now.

[riclag]

21 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

Great thing about polls in the 21st century is they no longer try to gauge voter sentiment but rather influence voter behavior

Majority of Americans want Senate to move on Supreme Court decision: poll

https://nypost.com/2020/09/19/most-americans-want-senate-to-move-on-supreme-court-decision-poll/

 

That was early September ,before ginsberg  passed!

This is so easy for the swing voter to understand, given the facts!

The greatest POTUS of my time responsibility is his  Constitutional duty to nominate a potential SCJ .

The senate constitutional responsibility is to confirm it by a majority vote!

It even gets easier for the American swing voters to comprehend what the people wanted(swing voter ,independent voter who declares  no party until  election time).

 

The People voted for the senate twice so far in Mr. Trumps tenure! A informed voter would know the tasks at hand for the senate .One of those is confirming a nomination(Trump appointee)  through a majority vote!

Despite reuters opinion polls  the people have already spoken twice by in trusting the current  senate to do their constitutional duty and fill the vacancy!

Elections have consequences!

[Tug]

Best get to waxing the old surf board there’s a big blue wave a coming lol you don’t honestly think the lady’s are going to tolerate beeing knocked back to the 50s do you?trump may get his pick but it will cost him the presidency and the senate will turn democratic majority president Biden will be set up to correct many of the wounds inflicted on our country by this abomination of an administration the world will rejoice as America returns to the good road so there is a silver lining to this dark cloud come on November 

[FlyingThai]

3 hours ago, xofswen said:

Lol, how many election signs are on your front yard! Got any bumper stickers?

We know who you are voting for.

He's not voting for anyone because he isn't even a U.S. citizen.

 

He is however a giant Troll. ????

[riclag]

23 minutes ago, Tug said:

Best get to waxing the old surf board there’s a big blue wave a coming lol you don’t honestly think the lady’s are going to tolerate beeing knocked back to the 50s do you?trump may get his pick but it will cost him the presidency and the senate will turn democratic majority president Biden will be set up to correct many of the wounds inflicted on our country by this abomination of an administration the world will rejoice as America returns to the good road so there is a silver lining to this dark cloud come on November 

IMOP if your President doesn't beat biden  its still a win win !

Just think of all those  lifetime judges he and Mitch helped to vote in the senate ! 

The most importantant one is coming soon ,the third one! Even the  conservative  constitutionalist never trumpers  couldn't in their wildest dreams predict this!

America ,USA,1776

Edited September 21, 2020 by riclag

[johnnybangkok]

19 minutes ago, riclag said:

IMOP if your President doesn't beat biden  its still a win win !

Just think of all those  lifetime judges he and Mitch helped to vote in the senate ! 

The most importantant one is coming soon ,the third one! Even the  conservative  constitutionalist never trumpers  couldn't in their wildest dreams predict this!

America ,USA,1776

So exactly what are you hoping will happen with a conservative majority SC? What laws do you want overturned and what new laws would you like to see introduced?

[FlyingThai]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

So exactly what are you hoping will happen with a conservative majority SC? What laws do you want overturned and what new laws would you like to see introduced?

It's mostly about the prevention of reshaping Americas demographic structure and preservation of constitutional rights.

 

The Second Amendment is one thing. Freedom of speech, religious freedoms are things that should be protected at all cost.

 

This whole gender craze and radical left ideology is something that rubs me the wrong way. I have no problem with Democrats if we're talking about the democratic party of as recently as when Bill Clinton was President (although I can't stand the scumbag himself). The insanity began after Obama and his cabal started to push what they call "progressive policies". Governance shouldn't center around making society a playground for transpeople of whatever gender they currently choose to be, illegal immigrants, refugees and leaving the door wide open to countries like China.

 

Certain laws won't go away. The right to abortion isn't going anywhere, women's rights aren't going anywhere other than forward. This whole talk about overturning Roe vs Wade is nonsense, the wet dream of ultraconservatives. Hillary will never go to prison and Roe never overturned. Sorry to burst your bubble guys.

[watthong]

57 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Please.  I couldn't think of a more ludicrous statement.  You seem to be suggesting that the Dems all have halos and the GOP horns.  I can't think of anybody that would buy that idea.

Of course you can't. You're a Trump fan. The mere idea that people have principles and morals is a weakness to be ridiculed rather than an atribute to be celebrated.

Not all Dems have 'halos' but there's enough of them to make up a majority and just because you absolutley know the GOP are all a bunch of crooks and immoral, self-serving sycophants doesn't mean you get to tar the Dems with the same brush. 

As an example, we all know how numerous the criminal charges have been to Trumps entourage; in 8 years of Obama not a single one of his administration was even accused of wrong doings never mind criminally prosecuted for it. There's your difference right there.

 

Wow.  Just wow.  I'm pretty good at expressing my thoughts but your first paragraph leaves me speechless.  I'll leave you to indulge in your own thoughts on that topic.  But . . . wow.

 

As to the latter, we await the results of Durham's investigations and other investigations.  Some of Obama's people (that would be Dems) are not looking too good right now.

Reaction totally to be expected. Cause truth and facts have the same effect on Trump fans as garlic and holy water on vampires. 

 

As to the latter, "Wow. Just wow." Anybody who's still waiting for the result of the so-called Durham investigation, "to investigate the investigators" must have their head in deep up to their thyroid. 

 

 

Not to mention the fact that the top aide of said investigation has recently resigned probably because she couldn't wade back and forth aimlessly any longer inside that septic tank. 

 

 

 

 

[DaftToPutRealName]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

I haven't forgotten about conspiracy theories if that's what you mean, because that's exactly what they were/are. And please don't reply with your 'evidence'. It's been done to death, proven to be complete nonsense and really quite boring now.

 

Well I certainly can't provide any sort of evidence that you would consider "non conspiratorial" since it was Biden himself who gloated in a recording and a crowd about his quid pro quo.

The fact that you bury your head in the sand about it, however, doesn't invalidate that fact.

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

You say you can't agree but your statement, "In, general we can agree that the American political system is corrupt and for sale to the highest bedder by far too many politicians in both parties," seems to confirm that you do agree that both Dems and Republicans will stoop to purely political manipulations.  Aren't political manipulations a form of corruption?

I should have said “not all” as a qualifier.

[ShindenGo]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The entire Reid episode was beyond fabricated. Anyone who thinks Biden pinned her up against a wall, in the very public halls of congress, needs to stop drinking the kool aid, and get some therapy immediately.

 

 

Exactly fake and nothing more than a Trump plant who couldn’t even answer the very most basic questions:

 

1. Why was she wearing sexy clothes during the dead of winter?

2. What did she do or say to make Biden think that she liked him?

3. Why didn’t she say no?

4. Why didn’t she forcefully refuse?

5. Why didn’t she go to the police?

6. Why hasn’t she released her tax returns and bank statements?

7. Why haven’t her family members release all of their bank statements?

8. Did she have any contacts with Trump or any of his associates?

9. Why did she go to the press first?

10. Did she enjoy it but later regret it?

 

If the real gang rape victims Christine Blasey Ford and Swetnick can stand up to scrutiny why can’t Tara Reade??