Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Have you thought about a career in Tory politics? With that sort of insight, you'll be a member of Johnson's cabinet in no time.

But you just keep bringing up daft stuff that at this time nobody knows what the future holds.

 Grapes, I am sure we are all in shock regarding your grapes....????

[RayC]

8 hours ago, bodga said:

I see 20 weak  countries  bailed  out by a  very few stronger  ones, how do you see that

And if we accept for a minute that is true, why is it necessarily a bad thing?

[transam]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No, I can live perfectly without a drink for a few months.

And if I can't drink for a year but we have no Covid then I am happy to do that.

But a big stick told you what to do in your own house which had absolutely nothing to do with C19, well didn't they...?

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[luckyluke]

56 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, the Civil Service workloads were reduced and Neil Kinnock and his missus got good jobs.

It assume that's again something suppose to been hilarious. 

The usual divergent.

[vogie]

When the cause is lost, why do the losers always have to resort to insults, we can still be friends................can't we, please don't brick up the channel tunnel.

[transam]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

When the cause is lost, why do the losers always have to resort to insults, we can still be friends................can't we, please don't brick up the channel tunnel.

They won't brick it up, there will just be a toll booth on the French side where passengers will have to pay in Cod fillets..........????

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

It assume that's again something suppose to been hilarious. 

The usual divergent.

Oh no. Not so funny. These were forms of compensation. A more direct example would be Heseltine's farms being allowed £90,000 of annual funding from the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy.

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[OneMoreFarang]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

But a big stick told you what to do in your own house which had absolutely nothing to do with C19, well didn't they...?

Sorry I don't get what you want to tell me. I can drink in my home whatever I want whenever I want. 

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

But you just keep bringing up daft stuff that at this time nobody knows what the future holds.

Daft stuff? The UK government has published the tariff rate for a number of goods post-transition. Grapes will attract 8%. Your crystal ball is not required. It is a fact (assuming that Johnson doesn't change his mind which is always a possibility).

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 Grapes, I am sure we are all in shock regarding your grapes....????

Not my grapes, JohnnyF's. I've always found it best to follow the conversation from the beginning before making a comment. Just a thought.

[nauseus]

31 minutes ago, RayC said:

The UK was not allowed to conduct 'formal' trade negotiations with non-EU states before 1/2/20. There was nothing  to stop us preparing our infrastructure and bureaucracy for leaving the EU. It's a choice that was made by successive Tory governments.

 

Fair play to Johnson. He did say "B****r business'. At least in this regard, he's being true to his word.

Preparations for the unknown - easy.

[transam]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Sorry I don't get what you want to tell me. I can drink in my home whatever I want whenever I want. 

You seem to have conveniently forgotten that shops could not sell beer for personal consumption in LOS.

That is the big stick, now if you are saying you could buy it illegally, that is a different matter, but the big stick told you, you could not buy beer...

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Daft stuff? The UK government has published the tariff rate for a number of goods post-transition. Grapes will attract 8%. Your crystal ball is not required. It is a fact (assuming that Johnson doesn't change his mind which is always a possibility).

Not my grapes, JohnnyF's. I've always found it best to follow the conversation from the beginning before making a comment. Just a thought.

Yeh, but he's a grapeaholic.....????

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Oh no. Not so funny. These were forms of compensation. A more direct example would be Heseltine's farms being allowed £90,000 of annual funding from the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy.

I googled Heseltine. I suppose you have other facts.

So it is obvious the compensations were there, one can of course argue it was given to the wrong persons. 

[david555]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

When the cause is lost, why do the losers always have to resort to insults, we can still be friends................can't we, please don't brick up the channel tunnel.

Nah ….just flooding the thing  is enough 

[RayC]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Preparations for the unknown - easy.

Seems like the Dutch were giving it a go as far back as April '19.

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/dutch-brexit-no-deal-trade/amp/

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I googled Heseltine. I suppose you have other facts.

So it is obvious the compensations were there, one can of course argue it was given to the wrong persons. 

There are many 'advantages' from EU membership that most of us never benefit from or even are aware of. 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Seems like the Dutch were giving it a go as far back as April '19.

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/dutch-brexit-no-deal-trade/amp/

Yes. Great. But the lousy WA was not even passed until this year. 

[AndrewMciver]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The real beauty is that losing fishing may see Macron's demise and the rise of Marine Le Pen who is a big advocate of France leaving the EU.

 

Double whammy.

 

Let's hope Boris walks out of the talks. The EU is incapable of sensible negotiations anyway.

 

Le Pen in the last election vowed not to leave the EU. 

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

There are many 'advantages' from EU membership that most of us never benefit from or even are aware of. 

Agree with you, but not only from the E.U., I dare to say in all domains, everywhere.

We, the man in the street, usually are aware of the things, some on a higher level, are prepare to let us know. 

Of course sometimes a great "complot" is discovered, but usually quickly labelled as conspiracy. 

And maybe it is indeed. 

[izod10]

4 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

Le Pen in the last election vowed not to leave the EU. 

Le Pen is opposed to globalization, which she blames for various negative economic trends, and opposes European Union supranationalism and federalism, instead favouring a loosely confederate 'Europe of the Nations'.

[AndrewMciver]

This is why the vote should never have been given to the people. 

 

You have xenophobes not happy they have stopped freedom of movement (for Brits too), destroying the economy (our economy has lost more than what we paid into the EU for the last 20 years), the Pound all but wrecked, and now sole bent on destroying what little manufacturing we have.

 

The new target for these idiots is now FISH. Yes fish. Fish that makes up 0.05% of the UK economy - most of which ironically we sell to the EU. Also state subsidies because Domininc Cummings wants to give our money to manufacture robots. Do we really trust these <deleted> with the fiasco of money going to their friends during this covid crisis?

 

What an idiotic country we have become. I bet somewhere even Boris can't believe we are lapping this up. 

[izod10]

1 minute ago, AndrewMciver said:

This is why the vote should never have been given to the people. 

 

You have xenophobes not happy they have stopped freedom of movement (for Brits too), destroying the economy (our economy has lost more than what we paid into the EU for the last 20 years), the Pound all but wrecked, and now sole bent on destroying what little manufacturing we have.

 

The new target for these idiots is now FISH. Yes fish. Fish that makes up 0.05% of the UK economy - most of which ironically we sell to the EU. Also state subsidies because Domininc Cummings wants to give our money to manufacture robots. Do we really trust these <deleted> with the fiasco of money going to their friends during this covid crisis?

 

What an idiotic country we have become. I bet somewhere even Boris can't believe we are lapping this up. 

Is this why italy is now top of the pops? Roaring economy,absolutely blistering,puts us all to shame...but hang on...are they not making waves also to quit the EU?

[RayC]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes. Great. But the lousy WA was not even passed until this year. 

Nothing to do with the WA.

 

As I pointed out, the Dutch government was working in tandem with businesses to try to make Brexit as painless as possible, whatever form it took, in early 2019 (probably before). I also know that Zeebrugge was making similar preparations with the support of the Flemish government (yes, there is s Flemish government).

 

In contrast,  successive UK governments have done practically zero to prepare UK business. 

[Hi from France]

Hi all!

 

Nice active thread/forum : just created an account.

 

I'm an anglophile (did part of my studies in the UK with Erasmus), very interested in Brexit.

 

best

Edited October 17, 2020 by Hi from France

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I am rather perplexed with these announcements, seems contradictory. 

Or does that mean that no one care about what Mr. Johnson is saying,

and negotiations goes simply on. 

 

Not really. You have to read between the lines. The "big cheeses" are each saying the other side must give way, but not themselves of course. Macron wants to bully the UK and Johnson is having none of it and is now saying don't bother coming for more talks...................... unless you change your tune.

 

Barnier and Frost know that they better plan to meet next week as it's possible either of their bosses will give them new instructions.

 

Letting French fishermen plunder the UK waters, having Germany dictate what tax regimes it must implement and how its businesses must be regulated is clearly never gonna be acceptable. Or would France and Germany accept the UK dictating to them? The UK has already offered a fishing deal much the same as Norway has with the EU. Only Macron daren't move from his position. The UK will not bow to EU law. Which interestingly German Courts have ruled recently doesn't overrule Germany law; or have France, the biggest cheats in the EU on state aid, deciding what the UK can and can't do with its businesses.

 

Both sides need to get real or walk away. Johnson has that right at least.

[izod10]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Nothing to do with the WA.

 

As I pointed out, the Dutch government was working in tandem with businesses to try to make Brexit as painless as possible, whatever form it took, in early 2019 (probably before). I also know that Zeebrugge was making similar preparations with the support of the Flemish government (yes, there is s Flemish government).

 

In contrast,  successive UK governments have done practically zero to prepare UK business. 

..but now are doing it   ...just a moment tho,will Belgium be in existence in around 20 years or so?

[RayC]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

Hi all!

 

Nice active thread/forum : just created an account.

 

I'm an anglophile (did part of my studies in the UK with Erasmus), very interested in Brexit.

 

best

Welcome. Hope that you are also interested in the British Empire and WW2. It crops up a lot here.

[transam]

13 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

Le Pen in the last election vowed not to leave the EU. 

A tactical quote, perhaps......????

[transam]

10 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

This is why the vote should never have been given to the people. 

 

You have xenophobes not happy they have stopped freedom of movement (for Brits too), destroying the economy (our economy has lost more than what we paid into the EU for the last 20 years), the Pound all but wrecked, and now sole bent on destroying what little manufacturing we have.

 

The new target for these idiots is now FISH. Yes fish. Fish that makes up 0.05% of the UK economy - most of which ironically we sell to the EU. Also state subsidies because Domininc Cummings wants to give our money to manufacture robots. Do we really trust these <deleted> with the fiasco of money going to their friends during this covid crisis?

 

What an idiotic country we have become. I bet somewhere even Boris can't believe we are lapping this up. 

It isn't about fish, it is about OUR WATERS..........????

[RayC]

1 minute ago, izod10 said:

..but now are doing it   ...just a moment tho,will Belgium be in existence in around 20 years or so?

Right. 10 weeks away from the deadline. Don't think that's cutting it a bit find?

 

What's your point re Belgium's continuing existence?