UK lawmakers worried about lack of Brexit preparations

[Loiner]

10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Typical the British Empire:

Want to leave the EU at any costs, but ... of course, still being treated as EU nationals in case of a travel into the EU.

Simple: first get your Schengen visa, and then line up at the appropriate line... Your British passport cannot be checked anymore under EU laws, as YOU, British, so clearly insisted.

 

The government is seeking continued use by UK nationals of the automatic e-gates used by EU nationals at airports and Eurostar terminals. The move is seen by the European commission as an attempt to keep Britons in faster lanes rather than having to queue up with the rest of the world after the end of the transition period.

The commission is adamant that giving UK nationals such a right would breach EU law. “The Schengen border code is restrictive on this,” says one internal EU document seen by the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/23/uk-presses-for-use-of-faster-passport-gates-at-eu-airports-post-brexit?utm_term=e519c6f20424635724b1e89f0589c05d&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

Portugal is way ahead of you.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/17/portugal-plans-special-lanes-for-britons-in-its-airports-after-brexit#:~:text=Portugal plans to open dedicated,%2C António Costa%2C has said.

[vogie]

5 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I had a mate in college who drove a clapped out VW Jetta. He knew it was junk but he was really proud that it had a Goodman stereo, then considered the cream of boy-racer car stereos. But the fact was that the stereo itself was garbage too; the fascia kept falling off, the sound was distorted and it kept chewing up his tapes. But he still crowed proudly of his Goodman stereo nonetheless.

 

That stereo is your 'landslide majority'. Anyone with a basic understanding of numeracy knows that the significant majority of the UK electorate rejected the Tory party and rejected Johnson. So while they did, indeed, get a ridiculous number of MPs, that does not confer popular support - the true he majority are against them. 

Anyone with a basic understanding of numeracy knows that the significant majority of the UK electorate rejected the Tory party and rejected Johnson. So while they did, indeed, get a ridiculous number of MPs, that does not confer popular support - the true he majority are against them. 

 

Does that statement also ring true for the SNP, two thirds of the Scots did not vote for N Sturgeon, is that different in any way?

[RayC]

30 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Because you and the TVF Remainers don't know what the government has been doing for the past four years does not mean they have not been preparing anything. The  Department for Exiting the EU (DExEU), with many others, has been particularly busy since 2016.

 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-spending-government-preparations

 

 

£8.1bn spent and b****r all to show for it.

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

£8.1bn spent and b****r all to show for it.

 

How do you know there is b****r all to show for it? Have you actually looked for it? What do you expect to see? Would you understand it when it is right there in front of your face? Do you only get your Brexit preparation status reports from Reuters or your Grauniad? Do you expect the government to send a man with a clip board around to knock on your door to tell you what your own specific preparations have been?

[RayC]

24 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Well done mate. Speaking with your feet. Don't wait for the government, run your business as it needs to be done. Now why don't the rest of the Remainers do the same and get out while they think the going is good?

 

Why are you still bothering to post here, don't you have a business to run or something?

Johnson's industrial strategy unveiled on TVF: Drive business out of the country.

[RayC]

Just now, Loiner said:

 

How do you know there is b****r all to show for it?

Evidence please

Just now, Loiner said:

Have you actually looked for it?

No. But surely another 'world beating' system would have been launched with a fanfare by the government?

Just now, Loiner said:

What do you expect to see?

Some guidance from the government on what to expect post-transition would be a start.

Just now, Loiner said:

Would you understand it when it is right there in front of your face?

I'd recognise advice. Whether it made sense is another matter.

Just now, Loiner said:

Do you only get your Brexit preparation status reports from Reuters or your Grauniad?

I've mentioned it before. I very rarely read The Guardian; I prefer the FT. Difficult to avoid Reuters reports on here. 

 

Has the paper boy delivered your copy of today's Express yet?

Just now, Loiner said:

Do you expect the government to send a man with a clip board around to knock on your door to tell you what your own specific preparations have been?

No. That would be a bit over-the-top.

[onthedarkside]

A flame post has been removed.

[dunroaming]

50 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Well done mate. Speaking with your feet. Don't wait for the government, run your business as it needs to be done. Now why don't the rest of the Remainers do the same and get out while they think the going is good?

 

Why are you still bothering to post here, don't you have a business to run or something?

Thanks.  Really reluctant to do it at the time and off course only moved the base as my business involves import and export.  And when we finally dump these muppets in government I can always re-locate.  In the meantime I can enjoy lower rents, taxes, business incentives and red tape.  I guess the icing on the cake is I still live in the UK without the headache of worrying too much about the inevitable fallout from Brexit.

 

As for posting here.  I enjoy it.  Lived in Thailand for many years and still travel there on business regularly (when I can).  And of course have my in-laws there.  

[RayC]

18 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Are you shielding from Brexit, like Covid?

If only I could.

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You appear to have missed the government's previous 'Get Ready for Brexit' campaign and the current  'Check Change Go'. If you actually are a business, there are separate campaigns too.

Not missed but completely forgotten. About as much use as a chocolate teapot. Don't take my word for it: 

 

"In January 2020, the National Audit Office reported that the government had spent £46 million on the Get Ready for Brexit campaign in October 2019. The auditors concluded that "it is not clear that the campaign resulted in the public being significantly better prepared". (Source: Wikipedia). 

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If you are hiding out in Nakhon Nowhere and reserve your world exposure to TVF, then you may have missed some but that's all your problem. 

I'm based in Nakhon London (for the moment). Maybe you should take your own advice and get out more yourself.

Edited October 24, 2020 by RayC
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[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Portugal is way ahead of you.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/17/portugal-plans-special-lanes-for-britons-in-its-airports-after-brexit#:~:text=Portugal plans to open dedicated,%2C António Costa%2C has said.

And... this is agreed in the EU council, with members the heads of Governement of the EU member states, being the only cremium to make decisions ?

And if... good journey via Lisbon to all other EU destinations. Take care you to have for your next stop the Schengen visa.

Maybe a special allowance for Gibraltar citizens to travel to Spanish Algeciras and La Linea de la Concepcion and visa versa ?

Edited October 24, 2020 by puipuitom

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Typical the British Empire:

Want to leave the EU at any costs, but ... of course, still being treated as EU nationals in case of a travel into the EU.

Simple: first get your Schengen visa, and then line up at the appropriate line... Your British passport cannot be checked anymore under EU laws, as YOU, British, so clearly insisted.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Does the Emperial British Government already published the laws the British foods, toys, electric appliances, sport goods, chemicals etc should apply to ? Or.. just copies of the EU laws and regulations ? Maybe BE instead of CE ? And BReach instead of Reach !  Of course no access anymore to the RASFF  and EFSA databases

It's quite funny really how you hark on ceaselessly about the 'British Empire" and the "Imperial Government". One might be forgiven for wondering if you had something of a chip on your shoulder about the United Kingdom, and it's (long) past Imperial activities. Perhaps the way in which the last German Empire (or Reich as I believe you termed it) came unstuck still rankles a little bit?

[Loiner]

27 minutes ago, RayC said:

If only I could.

Not missed but completely forgotten. About as much use as a chocolate teapot. Don't take my word for it: 

 

"In January 2020, the National Audit Office reported that the government had spent £46 million on the Get Ready for Brexit campaign in October 2019. The auditors concluded that "it is not clear that the campaign resulted in the public being significantly better prepared". (Source: Wikipedia). 

I'm based in Nakhon London (for the moment). Maybe you should take your own advice and get out more yourself.

This is the second time in a week that you have replied to one of my posts which has been quickly deleted. 

How do you manage that?

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

This is the second time in a week that you have replied to one of my posts which has been quickly deleted. 

How do you manage that?

Don't think this last one is mine? The first one was deleted because the mods deemed it 'baiting'. Personally, I didn't see as such, but it is what is. Hope that answers your question?

[tebee]

Problem for businesses is we are 69 days away from the end of transition and we are still not sure what the new rules are, they are only just now being published.

 

Those that are knowen are pretty crazy!

 

Brexit has never shifted it's focus from hatred of the EU to working out what sort of country we want to be outside the EU. Because of this it will fail.

[Scott]

Trolling meme post removed.  It's a discussion forum. 

[Nigel Garvie]

6 hours ago, tebee said:

Problem for businesses is we are 69 days away from the end of transition and we are still not sure what the new rules are, they are only just now being published.

 

Those that are knowen are pretty crazy!

 

Brexit has never shifted it's focus from hatred of the EU to working out what sort of country we want to be outside the EU. Because of this it will fail.

Well I guess this hits the nail on the head. "Brexit has never shifted it's focus from hatred of the EU to working out what sort of country we want to be outside the EU".  Is it utterly pathetic, tragic, or just merely sad, to see the TV Brexiteers awash with hatred towards the EU, and bitterness towards fellow countrymen who voted remain because they just don't happen to see things the same way that they do. 

 

If they were actually mature,  leavers would forget about the EU. Why spend the rest of your days with a monster chip on your shoulder, consumed with anger and bitterness about all the imagined injustices that have been heaped on you by the wicked Europeans - it is hardly going to make for a happy life.

 

 You won, you are leaving, surely you should be happily contemplating all the wonderful benefits that are going to come to you in an EU free future. 

[transam]

16 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Does the Emperial British Government already published the laws the British foods, toys, electric appliances, sport goods, chemicals etc should apply to ? Or.. just copies of the EU laws and regulations ? Maybe BE instead of CE ? And BReach instead of Reach !  Of course no access anymore to the RASFF  and EFSA databases

What is the relevance of using the word Emperial (Imperial) before British Government...?

[tebee]

So here's a bit of Brexit craziness introduced into the VAT system, let me have Captain Kirk explain it - 

 

 

 

 

Basically because we have left the EU vat system, the government  needs to collect VAT on things sent from the EU to the UK . But instead of collecting it in the post like they do now for non-EU imports, they they have decided to collect it at the point of sale.

 

Which means anyone who wants to sell something to someone in the UK needs to register for UK VAT and charge VAT when they send it then remit that to the UK tax office. They have decided to apply this world wide, not just to the EU.

 

And they announced this on 4th October  giving everybody all over the world 3 months to comply.

 

As the man says, this will cost every overseas supplier £1000 a year to do - the net result will be people refusing to supply the UK.

 

British Small businesses with be forced to register in each EU country they want to supply to - everything they send will need 2 different customs declarations. They have been told if they send these by post and  the   declarations.are wrong the package will be destroyed rather than returned to them. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

44 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

And they announced this on 4th October  giving everybody all over the world 3 months to comply.

No no, @Loiner said they had four years to prepare, so it’s their own fault. So screw them; who needs businesses anyway when you can have blue passports? 
 

Another great Brexit success story. As a European, I keep LMAO. What a great comedy Brexit is ???? 

 

[melvinmelvin]

19 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

No no, @Loiner said they had four years to prepare, so it’s their own fault. So screw them; who needs businesses anyway when you can have blue passports? 
 

Another great Brexit success story. As a European, I keep LMAO. What a great comedy Brexit is ???? 

 

 

with all this interest pommies have in the colour on their passport covers

one may wonder why the UK changed to reddish

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

So here's a bit of Brexit craziness introduced into the VAT system, let me have Captain Kirk explain it - 

 

 

 

 

Basically because we have left the EU vat system, the government  needs to collect VAT on things sent from the EU to the UK . But instead of collecting it in the post like they do now for non-EU imports, they they have decided to collect it at the point of sale.

 

Which means anyone who wants to sell something to someone in the UK needs to register for UK VAT and charge VAT when they send it then remit that to the UK tax office. They have decided to apply this world wide, not just to the EU.

 

And they announced this on 4th October  giving everybody all over the world 3 months to comply.

 

As the man says, this will cost every overseas supplier £1000 a year to do - the net result will be people refusing to supply the UK.

 

British Small businesses with be forced to register in each EU country they want to supply to - everything they send will need 2 different customs declarations. They have been told if they send these by post and  the   declarations.are wrong the package will be destroyed rather than returned to them. 

No no! It cannot be true! We've been told Brexit would allow to reduce red tape regulation!

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

No no, @Loiner said they had four years to prepare, so it’s their own fault. So screw them; who needs businesses anyway when you can have blue passports? 
 

Another great Brexit success story. As a European, I keep LMAO. What a great comedy Brexit is ???? 

 

They have had four years to prepare, but the ones you refer to spent that time trying every trick in the book to reverse our decision to Leave. 

They had better sort themselves out PDQ. 

[Loiner]

22 minutes ago, candide said:

No no! It cannot be true! We've been told Brexit would allow to reduce red tape regulation!

Not for you lot it won’t be. 

[tebee]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Not for you lot it won’t be. 

Or anybody trying to export from the UK

[7by7]

On 10/24/2020 at 10:29 AM, Loiner said:

 

Because you and the TVF Remainers don't know what the government has been doing for the past four years does not mean they have not been preparing anything. The  Department for Exiting the EU (DExEU), with many others, has been particularly busy since 2016.

 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-spending-government-preparations

 

 

 

You obviously didn't read that link!

 

It says nothing about what steps businesses have to take post Brexit; but a lot about how much Brexit has cost us so far; and will cost us in the future!

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How much more money will the government spend on Brexit in future?

Although the UK has left the EU, the government still needs to do more to prepare for the changes in how the UK trades, and co-operates, with the EU after the end of the transition period.

This is likely to mean further spending beyond 2020/21, as the UK government continues to adjust to a new relationship with the EU. There are likely to be some permanently higher costs, for example in having more expensive border processes. The government has not specified how much more this is expected to cost each year.

 

Actual advice from the government on how business should prepare, such as it is, can be found at The UK transition: time is running out. Once one has navigated through a maze of questions and options that is.

 

Not that doing so will provide any concrete answers!

Edited October 25, 2020 by 7by7

[7by7]

On 10/24/2020 at 11:07 AM, Loiner said:

 

How do you know there is b****r all to show for it? Have you actually looked for it? What do you expect to see? Would you understand it when it is right there in front of your face? Do you only get your Brexit preparation status reports from Reuters or your Grauniad? Do you expect the government to send a man with a clip board around to knock on your door to tell you what your own specific preparations have been?

 Go on then; tell us what that £8.1 billion has achieved.

 

Or will you simply resort to you usual "I'm not doing your research for you" excuse whenever your 'facts' are challenged?

[7by7]

17 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

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You (Brexiteers) won, you are leaving, surely you should be happily contemplating all the wonderful benefits that are going to come to you in an EU free future.

I, too, have to wonder why their posts indicate that they have spent the last four years trying to convince themselves they made the right decision!

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Go on then; tell us what that £8.1 billion has achieved.

 

Or will you simply resort to you usual "I'm not doing your research for you" excuse whenever your 'facts' are challenged?

 

I’m not doing your research for you. 

 

If if you want to know what the money has been spent on go ask the government. Try a FOI request, or maybe look at some of their new systems, or even some of their information campaigns. 

 

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

Or anybody trying to export from the UK

Not if you haven’t done your homework and kept up with the government information. 

What are you trying to export? Is it from the UK or France?

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, tebee said:

 

 

 

Do you take all your business advice from a has-been Star Trek luvvie? 

 

It’s VAT Jim, but not as you knew it. Beam me up Scottie.