Yobs

[Up2U]

I have read that there is a bar in Pattaya (dog <deleted>?) that is owned by a self professed football hooligan that won a large court settlement in the UK for some sort infringement of his rights.

Could be just a rumour though.

TH

It's true - but although there is a lot of noise and drinking in both Soi Yanoto and Soi Post Office, I have seldom seen any fighting or chair throwing. That seems to take two separate factions (Turks, Dutch, Germans, whatever) to get going. In the football bars in those Sois the vast majority are Brits.

(Maybe I'll send some of the Arabs round, from the square behind Dave's place)

[numpty]

you can read the book to about the geezer there...he send the police a card every year at xmas i think it is

[konangrit]

I started the thread and i'm sure getting a depressing if not unexpected picture.

I hope I manage to avoid these vermin - not 'cos I'm scared but because I don't want to be in any way associated with such low-life.

But about snoophound's last point - to be serious here, how do these idiots tend to treat the girls and how do the girls handle the yobbos? [coming over all protective for a minute] :-)

This thread is full of several peoples' experiences covering several years. Whilst this sort of behaviour may be on the increase it's still relatively rare compared to Europe. If you were to go to Thailand for a couple of weeks I would doubt that you would witness any of this. But as I'm not in LoS now I may be out of date, if anyone wishes to correct me please feel free to.

[Tornado]

I like the soap dodgers

As I am a decendant of a soap dodger and have a little soap dodger myself, I do get quite peeved at the English soccer thug. I get on well with them, but England as a country gets stereotyped because of them.

I have been to quite a few games in the Uk and other countries and actually find it hilarious that "full grown" men with families live for this sport.

The whole family revolves around it and Dad is kickin some other teams supporters face in

Even British mates in Thailand wear the team shirt all the time and thier houses are decorated in team and country colours

What have you guys got to be so pround of?, your country is the size of Victoria, the weather is crap, fuel is expensive, your food is crap, your beer is warm, you pat TV tax and your women are gross.......... then again you do have your football

[thaihome]

It's true - but although there is a lot of noise and drinking in both Soi Yanoto and Soi Post Office, I have seldom seen any fighting or chair throwing. That seems to take two separate factions (Turks, Dutch, Germans, whatever) to get going. In the football bars in those Sois the vast majority are Brits.

Just for fun, go into that particular bar and shout:

"Manchester United is the greatest football team in history and all the others are shit and can lick my ass"

On a more serious note, I seem to remember just before the last world cup there was concern expressed by authorities that tagged English guys were buying RT tickets to Bangkok and then later buying onward tickets in Thailand in order to avoid it looking like they were leaving the UK and going to the world cup. Seems the center of this was this particular bar.

TH

[dekestone]

Was in a go-go bar in Pattaya once and one of 'em shoved me out of the way to climb up on the stage and dance. Apparently thought he was the first guy ever to get up on a go-go stage with the girls. His mates cheered him on. The rest of us left.

[davethailand]

a sad bunch really, i'm a 31 year old english guy, i like football and also have mates in the uk who were ex west ham and chelsea fans (ICF etc).

They've all packed all that in now, i watch the games but i would'nt watch them in pattayaland etc. Too noisy for me i'm afraid.

Luckily my place does'nt attract the football crowd.

[dfwbkk]

Being a Scandi myself may I ask you Brits this:

What's your take on the difference between English and Scottish "supporters"?

It's obviously quite unfair to the great masses of fans in England to be linked to the pack of idiots - but the Scots are percieved around the world as being happy no matter what happens with their team.... I'll drink to that mate etc...

Anyone care to elaborate?

/// DFW

[andyinkat]

Well dfwbkk, you've asked a question I cannot resist responding to. I am of Scottish parentage and am a Scotland supporter when it comes to football, but I was born and raised in England.

It is very true that both Scotalnd and Ireland are known as nations of very serious drinkers, yet in both cases when these countries qualify for international tournaments their supporters consistently win awards fo rthe best behaved supporters. The irony is that in Glasgow the rivalry between Celtic and Rangers supporters is still very Neanderthal yet none of this is exported.

Yet you cross a man-made boundary and you find a different picture. These days there is very little football-related violence in England vis-a-vis the domestic game - the police and other authoritites took on the 'British disease' and have largely contained and eliminated it; the problem arises when they travel abroad.

What is it about being Englaish? Well as I say I have no English blood running through me and I can no more understand that mentality than I can a child molester. Whilst I've not been in England much fo ra few years now what I have observed in recent times is this: the 'professional' football hooligan - ususally sober ringleaders who would meticulously plan their campaigns - are the ones who have been 'taken out' by the police authorities. What we have left are drunken yobs. And herein lies the essence of the issue - drink.

Why - if you can permit a massive generalisation - can citizens of other nations drink and not turn to thuggery and the Brits fail to manage this (or a small minority of them)? Well the government has identified a culture of 'binge drinking'. It seems a peculiar British phenomenon is drinking purely to get drunk and as quickly as possible. Of course there may well be posters on this forum who'd say 'That's been my whole life but I've never got violent!'; I'm not making that connection; what I am suggesting is that where the British Disease does exist it does seem to be connected to this phenomenon.

I'm getting conflicting reports on this thread as to whether such types come in great numbers to Thailand or not. Maybe the consensus is 'not that many but still too many and that where they do rock up thay are all too visible'.

Tornado - aren't you addressing your question to a community who by definition are so appalled by English society that they've f*cked off for good?! Preaching to the converted.

Okay, done :-)

[markt]

I have read that there is a bar in Pattaya (dog <deleted>?) that is owned by a self professed football hooligan that won a large court settlement in the UK for some sort infringement of his rights.

Could be just a rumour though.

TH

Have a butchers at this.

[markt]

What have you guys got to be so pround of?, your country is the size of Victoria, the weather is crap, fuel is expensive, your food is crap, your beer is warm, you pat TV tax and your women are gross.......... then again you do have your football

And unemployment of under 2 million. We look forward to Australia joining the G8.

[Boon Mee]

I have been to quite a few games in the Uk and other countries and actually find it hilarious that "full grown" men with families live for this sport.

The whole family revolves around it and Dad is kickin some other teams supporters face in 

Even British mates in Thailand wear the team shirt all the time and thier houses are decorated in team and country colours 

And in the states there's the "NASCAR Dads". They simply live for their hero but seldom get in punch-ups w/rivals. Not quite as drunk either...

[chonabot]

What have you guys got to be so pround of?, your country is the size of Victoria, the weather is crap, fuel is expensive, your food is crap, your beer is warm, you pat TV tax  and your women are gross.......... then again you do have your football

Well we can spell for a start , we don't say But at the end of every sentence , your beer is piss , you make crap cars, crap films, crap music, have no History , and quite frankly smell....

ps What has the size of our country to do with pride ?

[Tornado]

Well we can spell for a start , we don't say But at the end of every sentence , your beer is piss , you make crap cars, crap films, crap music, have no History , and quite frankly smell....

ps What has the size of our country to do with pride ?

love it!

"Well we can spell for a start " - only the football teams name.

"we don't say But at the end of every sentence " - you do if it follows head.

"you make crap cars" - They loved the new Monaro on Top Gear!

"crap films" - you must be talking about Braveheart

"have no history" - 40,000 years of it actually

"and quite frankly smell" - like flowers?

"What has the size of our country to do with pride ?" - stop listening to those bar girls Chon - size does matter!

[chonabot]

But....

[john b good]

there s a few of them kickin around in thailand.

the dogs <deleted> as mentioned,

some millwall on samui. there used to be a bar on samui, closed years back called tom s GB bar, run by west ham skinhead. he was a nice guy, think he moved back to england with his thai gf but while he MAY, i forget now, have had a past, he was quite mellow whenever i met him...

i do cringe tho when i see them around but cant complain too much having followed england in europe and on the ashes...but always behaved myself me

Many (not the majority) do have a past and they escape to the realm and try to blend in with the crowd. (mostly unsuccessfully as "yes" they stand out like the proverbial dogs balls)

British football hooliganism is well past its heyday – I would feel much safer with British fans on the p!ss nearby than Turkish for example.

If indeed that is true. "thank God for small mercies"

And dfwbkk.....

It's obviously quite unfair to the great masses of fans in England to be linked to the pack of idiots - but the Scots are percieved around the world as being happy no matter what happens with their team.... I'll drink to that mate etc...

You are obviously not including the Celtic and Rangers folks in Glasgow in this statement. Are you?

[Boon Mee]

, crap films, crap music, have no History , and quite frankly smell....

ps What has the size of our country to do with pride ?

What about the Bee Gees?

[350torana]

Unfortuantly, I think the Gibb brothers were born in England, as Russel Crowe was born in New Zealand and Mel Gibson was in American. But ######, we claim them as Aussies except Mr Crowe ...bit of a tool .

I am not a huge soocer fan, but watching Germany playing Latvia at the moment. But, I thought football hooligans from Germany and Netherlands were pretty infamous as well.

I guess the equivalent of hooligan we have is the good ole Aussie bogan , a very closely related species of Homo Sapien Sapien to the North American trailer park trash I beleive

[dfwbkk]

And dfwbkk.....

It's obviously quite unfair to the great masses of fans in England to be linked to the pack of idiots - but the Scots are percieved around the world as being happy no matter what happens with their team.... I'll drink to that mate etc...

You are obviously not including the Celtic and Rangers folks in Glasgow in this statement. Are you?

As a matter of fact I'm not.

My reflection was related to how the Scots are perceived on an international level - not necessarily how they behave domestically when Glasgow teams clashes...

Celtic fans will be weeping no doubt now that King Henrik Larsson will move away.. (btw, topic for another thread might be if in deed Scotland is a souverign country or not... - I mean, who's their King?)

I do enjoy drinking with Scots though! Come to think of it I enjoy drinking with most people? Hmmm

/// DFW

[NedKelly]

Working in the travel industry you get to see patterns develop........the usual single Brit males on package hols to Pattaya......always getting in trouble with b/g's ...bar girls not bee gees ok........for example: driver waiting in lobby to transfer guy to airport....no guy.......wait...no guy......hotel staff knock on door......no answer but laughter (female)......staff open door.......guy unconscious........5......yes 5 .....girls rummaging through his gear........oh dear what a sad git !..

Another guy...... too pissed to get transfer at 8 am ..........driver dresses guy, takes him to van, packs bag etc...........gets to airport, guy pisses pants, driver takes him and changes him like baby in toilets.......guy somehow boards plane.......gets back to UK and complains to travel agent about transfer !! He said the driver stole his pants !!! What a git !

Oh and what about the couple (brits again).......a married couple.......bring back a girl to their room and when hotel wants to charge them joiners fee they complain and argue like typical gits.......they end up paying and shagging the girl........but when they check out they leave a nice big turd in the bed !!

I'm gonna write a book about these things one day.

[wolf5370]

My reflection was related to how the Scots are perceived on an international level - not necessarily how they behave domestically when Glasgow teams clashes...

Internationally? You have to qualify first, then your fans will be visible on the international stage!

[The Gentleman Scamp]

As I am a decendant of a soap dodger and have a little soap dodger myself, I do get quite peeved at the English soccer thug. I get on well with them, but England as a country gets stereotyped because of them.

I have been to quite a few games in the Uk and other countries and actually find it hilarious that "full grown" men with families live for this sport.

The whole family revolves around it and Dad is kickin some other teams supporters face in

Even British mates in Thailand wear the team shirt all the time and thier houses are decorated in team and country colours

What have you guys got to be so pround of?, your country is the size of Victoria, the weather is crap, fuel is expensive, your food is crap, your beer is warm, you pat TV tax and your women are gross.......... then again you do have your football

I will say now to all my fellow Englishmen who are patriotic and are sticking up for our country. Let it go, just let go and face the fact that quotes such as the above are all too true.

Tornado has spent time in the company of the English in England so it's not as if he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I have no interest in being a voyeur of ANY sport just as I have no interest in pornography - I'd rather be doing the real thing - though I have little interest in sport and I wouldn't wear an England shirt over here with pride, I may as well get a T-shirt with <deleted> written on it.

I do love England but in the same way I love my brother who I have nothing in common with and hardly ever see.

Football? I'd rather spend quality time with quality friends drinking quality beer in a quality bar (WHERE I CAN RELAX WITHOUT FEELING THERE WILL BE A BRAWL) - and go home to a quality apartment in a quality country and have quality sex with a quality woman.

Some of us are gentlemen.

[medicinebox]

It was a great nation once, what the ###### happened?

The answer lies somewhere in between single mothers and lack of a father figure. No family unit, kids breeding kids. Porn on the internet, unemployment benefit, drugs, lax laws and little punishment, alien immigrants, and thaivisa.com forums....!!!

[The Gentleman Scamp]

Woe woe and thrice woe, the malady lingers on.

Words from a man who turns thirty in a hour but hasn't reminded any of his mates, can't get pissed and will wake up alone... Oh cruel fate, why do you mock me???!!

[SeaVisionBurma]

Working in the travel industry you get to see patterns develop........the usual single Brit males on package hols to Pattaya......always getting in trouble with b/g's ...bar girls not bee gees ok........for example: driver waiting in lobby to transfer guy to airport....no guy.......wait...no guy......hotel staff knock on door......no answer but laughter (female)......staff open door.......guy unconscious........5......yes 5 .....girls rummaging through his gear........oh dear what a sad git !..

Another guy...... too pissed to get transfer at 8 am ..........driver dresses guy, takes him to van, packs bag etc...........gets to airport, guy pisses pants, driver takes him and changes him like baby in toilets.......guy somehow boards plane.......gets back to UK and complains to travel agent about transfer !! He said the driver stole his pants !!! What a git !

Oh and what about the couple (brits again).......a married couple.......bring back a girl to their room and when hotel wants to charge them joiners fee they complain and argue like typical gits.......they end up paying and shagging the girl........but when they check out they leave a nice big turd in the bed !!

I'm gonna write a book about these things one day.

Ned this stuff is great. Fair bet that there would be a load of other great wayward (Loser Travellers?) tales out there. Would you mind opening a new thread on this so we can see who else has stories of other worldly idiots?

[chonabot]

That's <deleted> Ned , saying the Brits are the ones always in trouble , I mean Christ you only have to look at the football in Portugal to know that isn't true!

Chon ( Selective nationality)

[RDN]

It was a great nation once, what the ###### happened?

Socialists.

[tatom]

To all you Brits, dont be too hard on yourselves. We all know, every barrel has a few bad apples. As an American, I sure dont go around advertizing it these days! Living upcountry I dont see many of my own countrymen but, I have become friends with several Brits and my best mate is from Scotland, ( I hear ya, that guy can really put away the Chang!!!). Im glad Im in Issan though. I havent seen any of those characters (yobs, louts) and dont care to. I can say, I havent met an Englishman yet, I didnt like. Now, if I could just understand your language, Id be all set.

[davethailand]

To all you Brits, dont be too hard on yourselves. We all know, every barrel has a few bad apples. As an American, I sure dont go around advertizing it these days! Living upcountry I dont see many of my own countrymen but, I have become friends with several Brits and my best mate is from Scotland, ( I hear ya, that guy can really put away the Chang!!!). Im glad Im in Issan though. I havent seen any of those characters (yobs, louts) and dont care to. I can say, I havent met an Englishman yet, I didnt like. Now, if I could just understand your language, Id be all set.

But your language IS our language.

[Pink Mist]

The soapdodgers are a really misunderstood lot