'It'll be carnage': British companies dread a Brexit border breakdown

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Why should this difference in opinion be so surprising? Presumably, UK scientists have come to one conclusion, EU scientists another. If the Covid crisis has highlighted anything, it's that scientists disagree.

 

And why are you upset? The UK agreed to abide by EU regulations until the end of transition, hence the legal challenge (nothing will come of it anyway). The alternative would be for the UK's rules to be imposed on EU states. I thought that you were against that sort of thing?

Not upset, I think the EU's innate stupidity is hilarious. Our idea was to leave the EU with it's rules and regulation, in favour of our own. In this case ours are more strict....It's taking back control.
And these people want to do a deal with us, while taking us to (their) courts. Laugh a minute.

[Loiner]

The later it gets, the closer we are to a No Deal Brexit. Thanks mostly to Macron and his French fish thieves. They are keeping quiet about the situation so it can only be that there is no real progress. They even let it slip the other day that there are eleven issues, not the three which are publicly admitted to.

 

It can only get better, no capitulation to the EU in any deal, then we tear up and throw away the Withdrawal Agreement with all it's EU & Remainer tricks. It will have been a long and painful process but worth it in the end.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1354017/brexit-latest-news-uk-eu-trade-deal-boris-johnson-legal-action-no-deal-update

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

I attempted to correct your utterly wrong explanation of why a general election is called a general election.

 

But as usual with you, you  cannot accept that you got a simple matter of fact wrong. As usual, you try to 'prove' me wrong by repeating something I said but presenting it as an original thought by you!

 

Attempt failed. Don't worry I gave you the credit for your "proven wrong" favourite - it's all yours.

[evadgib]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Your self proclaimed prescience foretold that 'event;' but you wouldn't put your money where your mouth was and say what it was going to be.

 

You then claimed the 'event' had happened and are now claiming to have 'enlightened interested parties in real time with ample evidence!"

 

Yet, despite your continual boasting to this board of your pre knowledge of this 'event,' you still refuse to post here what it was.

 

The conclusion is obvious; your so called 'event' never happened.

 

Go on; prove me wrong by finally telling us all what it was and when and where it happened. 

 

Your silence or yet another refusal or pathetic excuse will be ample proof that I am right.

- I 'threw you a bone' two weeks before said event in order to neuter your pomposity as explained. Having proved my point that was the end of it from my perspective.

- TEN WEEKS AFTER THE EVENT you're still none the wiser as to what it was (✓????) & are relentlessly pursuing me across multiple boards.

- Banter & humour are perfectly ok but serial stalking is a little too far for my liking which is why I have repeatedly disengaged.

- You have a problem and it's time you sorted it out! 

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[transam]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, let's show the countries we want to sign trade agreements with that we are ready, willing and able to break international agreements we not only signed but proclaimed as a triumph whenever we feel like it.

 

That'll certainly encourage other countries to sign agreements with us; not!

 

 

Japan doesn't seem to have a problem with the UK, or do you know different, as you always seem too.....?

[7by7]

23 hours ago, 7by7 said:

<snip>

The conclusion is obvious; your so called 'event' never happened.

 

Go on; prove me wrong by finally telling us all what it was and when and where it happened. 

 

Your silence or yet another refusal or pathetic excuse will be ample proof that I am right.

 

19 hours ago, evadgib said:

- I 'threw you a bone' two weeks before said event in order to neuter your pomposity as explained. Having proved my point that was the end of it from my perspective.

- TEN WEEKS AFTER THE EVENT you're still none the wiser as to what it was (✓????) & are relentlessly pursuing me across multiple boards.

- Banter & humour are perfectly ok but serial stalking is a little too far for my liking which is why I have repeatedly disengaged.

- You have a problem and it's time you sorted it out! 

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 There we have it; conclusive proof that the event never happened; was never was going to happen; was a complete fantasy.

 

Whether you obtained the faux prediction from one of your favourite conspiracy sites or managed to make it all up on your own is moot.

 

That you don't have the balls to admit that you were totally wrong is your problem, not mine, and it's time you sorted that out.

[7by7]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Japan doesn't seem to have a problem with the UK, or do you know different, as you always seem too.....?

 The UK/Japanese agreement has yet to be ratified by the Japanese Parliament.  We will have to wait and see whether that body trusts Johnson's government to keep their word or not.

 

BTW, don't crow too much about that agreement. Japan signed it in the hopes that we would do a deal with the EU so Japanese firms such as Nissan can continue to split their manufacturing between sites in the UK and sites in the EU. UK seals first big post-Brexit trade deal with Japan

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Japanese carmakers such as Nissan and Toyota use parts from across Europe in vehicles they assemble in the UK, many of which are exported back to the EU. Mr Motegi said he had “high hopes” for a deal between London and Brussels.

I wonder what will happen if there is no UK/EU deal and if that means those Japanese companies have to pay tariffs every time they ship parts from a UK site to a EU one and vice versa; plus, of course, the potential massive hold ups at ports Gove has warned about.

 

In other areas we are merely picking up the crumbs left by the EU. From the same FT article.

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the deal allows the UK to use any agricultural quotas left over by the EU.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by 7by7
typos

[Mavideol]

On 10/26/2020 at 5:33 PM, snoop1130 said:

Deal or no deal, British companies will have to confront a wall of bureaucracy that threatens chaos at the border if they want to sell into the world's biggest trading bloc when life after Brexit begins on January 1.

 

It's going to be carnage," Tony Shally, managing director of freight specialist Espace Europe, told Reuters. "We'll be fire-fighting from the 1st of January."

I am not worried, (am a brexiter sarcasm 555) nothing to worry about, all under control, it's just fake news 555

[Mavideol]

On 10/27/2020 at 7:24 AM, soalbundy said:

and all for nothing, in 5 or 6 years they,ll be applying to rejoin.

it was written all over the brexit agreement """ we don't want you back, you are not welcome back """

[Mavideol]

On 10/28/2020 at 4:52 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

if thats what the eu wishes for then what can uk do ..they want to cut off their noses to spite  their faces then so be it

imagine the other way around '''' it is what it is...if that's what the UK wishes for, then what can the EU do..... they want to cut off their noses to spite  their faces, all hell broke loose,  then so be it

[Mavideol]

On 10/30/2020 at 6:29 AM, vogie said:

I grasp everything, we have had a referendum, leave won so we are leaving. It is you that cannot understand the simplicities of how democracy works. Blaming others all the time is a (BREXITER ) remainers 'get out of jail card' 

Vogie, you got it backwards this being what you and your brexiters gang have been doing for quite sometime, always blaming the EU and sometimes the remainers but Always blaming somebody or something else

[Mavideol]

On 10/30/2020 at 8:57 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

Brexit deal still no closer after SEVEN DAYS of intense talks, exhausted Barnier admits

MICHEL Barnier has warned "much remains to be done" in the wrangling over a post-Brexit trade deal.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1354145/Brexit-news-Michel-Barnier-David-Frost-7-day-intense-EU-UK-trade-talks-no-deal

 

they are very luck to have Barnier dealing with them, he's a Gentleman, anybody else would have left/quit long time ago

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Vogie, you got it backwards this being what you and your brexiters gang have been doing for quite sometime, always blaming the EU and sometimes the remainers but Always blaming somebody or something else

I am not bothered just glad to leave and besides when we get control of our own fishing fishing waters the remainers will have no trouble finding employment if our wailing industry starts up again.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

 There we have it; conclusive proof that the event never happened; was never was going to happen; was a complete fantasy.

 

Whether you obtained the faux prediction from one of your favourite conspiracy sites or managed to make it all up on your own is moot.

 

That you don't have the balls to admit that you were totally wrong is your problem, not mine, and it's time you sorted that out.

 

No amount of goading will change the fact that;-

 

a) An event of historic significance (factually correct/I have not made it up) occurred just a few miles from your known location

 

b  ) You failed to unearth it despite rather sportingly being given 2 weeks notice from someone in a group you had scathingly dismissed as being 'on a Perch in Thailand' during one of your notorious & rather amusing 'expats wot don't even live here' rants.

 

Having proved my point (& had a bit of fun doing so) I discontinued as explained.

 

Under no circumstances do I wish to further elaborate, save to say that the ???????? Ambassador to the court of St James is aware of this very ???????????????????????????? affair and that details are known to have landed on the Resolute desk....& YOU MISSED IT! ????

 

I'm done 49

 

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by evadgib

[Mavideol]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

I am not bothered just glad to leave and besides when we get control of our own fishing fishing waters the remainers will have no trouble finding employment if our wailing industry starts up again.

how many people does your (so incredible important) fishing/wailing industry employ?.... and while on the subject, who will be processing it as all the processing facilities are located in France, before it was easy, UK fish it France process it, Now is UK fish it and Poland will process it 555

Edited November 1, 2020 by Mavideol

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how many people does your (so incredible important) fishing/wailing industry employ?.... and while on the subject, who will be processing it as all the processing facilities are located in France, before it was easy, UK fish it France process it, Now is UK fish it and Poland will process it 555

It was meant to be humour Mavideol.????

[Bruntoid]

On 10/26/2020 at 10:11 PM, Loiner said:

Premonitions and hopes of chaos from Reuters and Remainer rent-a-quoters is not a disaster.

 

Delays for truckers who don't have the correct documentation in place will not be a disaster, or even a major concern. It if does become a self fulfilling prophesy for those unprepared and Remainer truckers, it will however be slightly gratifying for some of us. 

I have no idea why all these CEO’s, company owners and industrialists are panicking - they haven’t a clue according to our resident delusionist. 

Loiner just send them all a letter to placate them, let them know where they’re all getting it wrong and everything should be plain sailing from there, there’s a good chap ????

[Bruntoid]

6 hours ago, transam said:

Japan doesn't seem to have a problem with the UK, or do you know different, as you always seem too.....?

So

 

just another 200 to go ....

[pagan1]

9 hours ago, transam said:

Japan doesn't seem to have a problem with the UK, or do you know different, as you always seem too.....?

Yes, let's all celebrate the Japanese Trade agreement................ It allows the UK to supply any products that the EU can not supply to Japan against the agreed Japan / EU quota  !!! 

In simple terms we got the crumbs !!!!

Happy days ..........ever feel cheated Brexiteers ?? You were lied to and are now being sold down the river !!!

 

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

I have no idea why all these CEO’s, company owners and industrialists are panicking - they haven’t a clue according to our resident delusionist. 

Loiner just send them all a letter to placate them, let them know where they’re all getting it wrong and everything should be plain sailing from there, there’s a good chap ????

They’ve had all the letters from the government already. If the freight industry is too trucking stupid to sort itself out they shouldn’t be doing it. 

They are typical Remainers - moaners who think the will of the UK does not apply to them. Moan enough, they think, and they might avoid Brexit. Well that’s not happening. 

[johnray]

''British companies'' all three of them.

[7by7]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

 

No amount of goading will change the fact that;-

 

a) An event of historic significance (factually correct/I have not made it up) occurred just a few miles from your known location

 

b  ) You failed to unearth it despite rather sportingly being given 2 weeks notice from someone in a group you had scathingly dismissed as being 'on a Perch in Thailand' during one of your notorious & rather amusing 'expats wot don't even live here' rants.

 

Having proved my point (& had a bit of fun doing so) I discontinued as explained.

 

Under no circumstances do I wish to further elaborate, save to say that the ???????? Ambassador to the court of St James is aware of this very ???????????????????????????? affair and that details are known to have landed on the Resolute desk....& YOU MISSED IT! ????

 

I'm done 49

 

 

 

You have not gone anywhere near proving your point as you still cannot say what your 'event' was, let alone when and where it occurred.

 

If anything you say is remotely true then a person of your ego and arrogance could not help themselves; you'd have to rub my face in it by not just saying what the 'event' was but providing the 'ample evidence' to this board that you claim to have provided to 'interested parties.'

 

That all you can do is repeat your nonsense, and are now throwing in the US ambassador and the White House, means that your fantasies have moved beyond the amusing into an area of concern about your mental state. Seek psychiatric help; now.

 

 

[RayC]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

... themainers will have no trouble finding employment if our wailing industry starts up again.

... and if our wailing industry fails no doubt Brexiters will lay the blame at the feet of Remainers for not wailing hard enough.

[Chelseafan]

On 10/26/2020 at 10:50 AM, Loiner said:

More Remainer truckers moaning. We don't care because we voted to Leave, not keep the cosy status quo with the fright industry. They had better get all their ducks in a row, rather than constantly moaning about it.

 

If the Remainers Project Fear was to believed, all trade would immediately cease anyway and there will be no movement of any goods in either direction. So which does Chicken Licken really think it will be? 

 

You're right. What do those trucking companies know...

 

[Hi from France]

On 10/31/2020 at 11:34 AM, Loiner said:

 

 

Seriously, this kind of newspaper with big picture and words in CAPITALS are as reliable as Trump's tweets. 

Don't tell us you are a Brexiter because this is the source of information you trust. 

 

 

After the now-likely very thin deal we'll get the CBI wants a deal on other "chapters" 

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we will be working with the government and supporting the negotiations around building further chapters. [We would like] a services chapter. We’ll need more on aviation. We’ll need more on haulage. Data will be crucial. We hope that there will be a data agreement, but there will be more to do on the back of that. That will be the challenge of the next one to two years. 

This is well and nice but what does the EU gain in such deals? What can the UK give in return? 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/01/uk-industry-chief-says-business-needs-more-from-thin-brexit-deal

Edited November 1, 2020 by Hi from France

[transam]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 The UK/Japanese agreement has yet to be ratified by the Japanese Parliament.  We will have to wait and see whether that body trusts Johnson's government to keep their word or not.

 

BTW, don't crow too much about that agreement. Japan signed it in the hopes that we would do a deal with the EU so Japanese firms such as Nissan can continue to split their manufacturing between sites in the UK and sites in the EU. UK seals first big post-Brexit trade deal with Japan

I wonder what will happen if there is no UK/EU deal and if that means those Japanese companies have to pay tariffs every time they ship parts from a UK site to a EU one and vice versa; plus, of course, the potential massive hold ups at ports Gove has warned about.

 

In other areas we are merely picking up the crumbs left by the EU. From the same FT article.

 

 

But the fact is, Japan has come out and told "you" and the world that they are creating greater ties with the UK after the UK EU exit. They let "you" and others know early...

 

Now I would suggest that Japan, one of the greatest economies in the world, saw the EU was trying to stiff the UK, unlike some anti-Brits that write here, plus, the Japanese understand the actions of the UK government in dealing with the EU. 

 

I am surprised that you, a British bloke, is not rejoicing that a world financial power has come forward to join hands with the UK, why is that...?

[transam]

14 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

So

 

just another 200 to go ....

Japan is big money, not Oliver Twist's, did you miss that fact......?  ????

[transam]

11 hours ago, pagan1 said:

Yes, let's all celebrate the Japanese Trade agreement................ It allows the UK to supply any products that the EU can not supply to Japan against the agreed Japan / EU quota  !!! 

In simple terms we got the crumbs !!!!

Happy days ..........ever feel cheated Brexiteers ?? You were lied to and are now being sold down the river !!!

 

Now come on, I read that and visioned you stomping your feet.....

Hey, and that record you're playing will wear the grooves out soon.....????

[transam]

15 hours ago, Mavideol said:

Vogie, you got it backwards this being what you and your brexiters gang have been doing for quite sometime, always blaming the EU and sometimes the remainers but Always blaming somebody or something else

I would suggest a deal would have been done already if it wasn't for the French DEMANDING UK waters, the UK's sovereign territory, and YOU and others here think it's the UK's fault ........Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....????

[sandyf]

"Customs brokers say the cost of paperwork could exceed the cost of moving small consignments. Completing a typical export declaration can require more than 50 pieces of information on transport, commodity codes and value."

 

Back to the bad old days.

I used to sell capital equipment before the single market came into being and for a small item freight forwarding charges could exceed the cost of the goods. I learned to do the paperwork myself to reduce costs and around 1980 I took 6 small orthopedic ovens in the back of a car down to Brive near the Spanish border. Customs inspection is a different ballgame for unusual equipment and leaving the customs union will be a step back in time.