1 minute ago, transam said:

The  emijons are just to send a thought message, both sides on this thread use them....Go check...????

 

That's my point, both side use a lot of tricks.

 

Claiming that only one party is the very innocent one, and all disgracefulness is proper to the other, would be a sign of biasing.

Just now, transam said:

I prefer the Tories to that of a Labour leader that cosied up with terrorists, or a Lib Dem leader that would have quashed the people's winning vote to leave the EU just to get into no.10, as it was the only way she knew it could happen,  but how about you...????

Quite happy that 'we' cosied up to the terrorists and brought an end to sectarian violence that blighted peoples lives for decades.

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

 

That's my point, both side use a lot of tricks.

 

Claiming that only one party is the very innocent one, and all disgracefulness is proper to the other, would be a sign of biasing.

Then you answer this question, did the UK vote to leave the EU....?

We all know the answer is yes, so you read very carefully....

 

Transam, on this forum, is defending the democratic vote of the UK populace that bothered to vote to leave the EU. 

 

Do you have a problem with that...?

6 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Quite happy that 'we' cosied up to the terrorists and brought an end to sectarian violence that blighted peoples lives for decades.

You didn't have much luck with Iran did you, except your leader made a few quid cosying........?....????

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You didn't have much luck with Iran did you, except your leader made a few quid cosying........?....????

Apart from dissuading Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Unfortunately Trump tried to kibosh that but hopefully Biden will get it back on track.

I get it....it's not a "compromise" we are offering...but a new plan and a "concept"....now that's much better.

5 minutes ago, transam said:

You didn't have much luck with Iran did you, except your leader made a few quid cosying........?....????

Damned right .....to hell with talking, let's just get in there and nuke them....

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

why are you so hung up ion the terms.

I always claimed that Brexit has to be accepted,

as it was a democratic vote and result.

 

However I am also agree that the opponents of Brexit have still the right to express their opinion, being it was/is a bad idea and it will put the U.K. in a distressful situation.

 

The concrete, visible to everyone, results of Brexit will, in my opinion, only been measurable in a few years.

 

In the meantime it will be normal to read ( according to who is writing it )

 

that :

 

The U.K. will live in harmony and welfare, thanks to Brexit.

 

The U.K. will not be  united anymore, and live in decrepitude due to Brexit.

 

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

Apart from dissuading Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Unfortunately Trump tried to kibosh that but hopefully Biden will get it back on track.

I can't believe you wrote that.....

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Then you answer this question, did the UK vote to leave the EU....?

We all know the answer is yes, so you read very carefully....

 

Transam, on this forum, is defending the democratic vote of the UK populace that bothered to vote to leave the EU. 

 

Do you have a problem with that...?

Not at all.

 

I also defend the right to the opponents of Brexit to claim that it was/is a bad idea.

 

However not to dispute the way Brexit was acquired.

9 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I always claimed that Brexit has to be accepted,

as it was a democratic vote and result.

Glad to hear. so overturning it like reaminers have tried for years and still are you are against that from this statement?

 

9 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

However I am also agree that the opponents of Brexit have still the right to express their opinion, being it was/is a bad idea and it will put the U.K. in a distressful situation.

Yes an opinion yes, overthrowing the decision and spitting their dummies out like little children isn't. The words used all so often from remainers are, could be, maybe possibly, potentially.

How about giving the UK a few years out of the EU and then revisit this and see what really happened. Project fear from the remainers has already been debunked as fake news.

 

9 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

The concrete, visible to everyone, results of Brexit will, in my opinion, only been measurable in a few years.

agree.

 

What about the monumental lie that conned the British people into joining the EU and the various treaties that have encapsulated and took away identities and cultures from countries of the EU in the name of multiculturalism. we all know how well that is going.

 

I still have not heard from anyone on here who is actually 100% happy with the EU. You generally get the usual, I don't agree with everything or lets change it from within, which is delusional talk as the EU will not reform and has a set agenda of controlling all countries in its borders.

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

overthrowing the decision and spitting their dummies out like little children isn't.

That's a perception.

 

2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

so overturning it like reaminers have tried for years and still are

I assume they do it being convinced it is the right thing to do.

I doubt however they are able to change anything, so far they haven't.

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

How about giving the UK a few years out of the EU and then revisit this and see what really happened.

That's what I continually proclaim, but they have the right to see a somber result actually, as the Leavers have the right to see a bright one.

 

9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

took away identities and cultures from countries of the EU in the name of multiculturalism. we all know how well that is going.

I regret that it happened in my country, and I blame the different Belgian government threw the years, to not have done something concretely about it.

There is a freedom of moving in Europe for all Europeans, nothing to do about that, but Belgium has still the right to issue its proper laws and regulations, so it could have issue some to regulate more the issue with foreign immigrants ( same work conditions, same benefits...)

In fact every country, member of the E.U., could have implemented such rules.

For one or another reasons no country did, a lot of bla-bla everywhere, but concrete measures nowhere.

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

That's a perception.

Really. As you have mentioned numerous times you often don't comprehend and  understand English perfectly. I suggest this is another one.

 

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I assume they do it being convinced it is the right thing to do.

So you are now condoning the blocking of democracy.

 

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

doubt however they are able to change anything, so far they haven't.

That's hilarious. 4 years plus and we are still at the stage now. I thought you follow the threads on Brexit. where have you been.

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

That's what I continually proclaim, but they have the right to see a somber result actually, as the Leavers have the right to see a bright one.

Great.

 

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I regret that it happened in my country,

and the rest of the EU countries. the UK had the gonads to have a referendum and get out, although it is continually hampered by those who can't accept democracy.

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

A senior Tory's quote on Dominic Cummings.....

Would that be the same Tory MP that has received over £900,000 in farming subsidies from the EU over the last 10 years

10 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Would that be the same Tory MP that has received over £900,000 in farming subsidies from the EU over the last 10 years

 

I thought the EU was there only to drain the UK off their earnings.

 

That Tory MP though will not have been the only UK citizen that received EU subsidies, and that has all ended now.

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Really. As you have mentioned numerous times you often don't comprehend and  understand English perfectly. I suggest this is another one.

Suggesting I didn't understand, is a point of view.

 

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So you are now condoning the blocking of democracy.

The result of the Brexit referendum can in no way being modified.

 

7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

4 years plus and we are still at the stage now.

That's up to the U.K. governments to apparently not been able to make the right / firm decisions.

The majority of the voters in the U.K. wished to leave,

your governments decided there was a need of conditions before leaving,

and here you are 4 years later.

15 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

the UK had the gonads to have a referendum and get out, although it is continually hampered by those who can't accept democracy.

Not agree, there are of course those who are not agree with the results, but I don't buy they have that super power to continually hampering. A lame excuse to try to hide the incompetency of the ones leading the country.

11 hours ago, transam said:

I can't believe you wrote that, what on earth are you on about, you talk to me about democracy yet you are here every day supporting the opposite, now I think you have a serious problem chap, if you're not twisting folks posts you blabber nonsense, but hey, was expected.....

 

Yet again you prove that it is you who has no idea of what a democracy is.

 

In a democracy people are allowed to disagree with the government of the day and their policies. Even if that policy has been decided by a referendum.

 

If you truly believe that disagreeing with a referendum result and campaigning to overturn it is undemocratic and anti British, then you must apply those labels to Nigel Farage, Alan Sked and others who campaigned to reverse the result of the 1975 referendum from the early 1990s. Plus, of course, the many who criticised the result of the 1975 election from the moment the result was announced!

 

 A country where views opposing the government are forbidden and those expressing them are called traitors is not a democracy.

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

<snip>

This went against the remains leader David Cameron who told the whole nation countless times that if the leave vote won, it meant leaving the Single market, the ECJ and Customs Union.

 

How many posters on here forget this important factor or have selective memories or the onset of dementia.

 No Remain supporter has forgotten what Cameron said.

 

But you and many other Leave supporters have chosen to 'forget' that Vote.Leave labelled his words "Project Fear" and many Vote.Leave campaigners, including our current Prime Minister and  Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, assured us at the time that Cameron was wrong.

 

You are correct that many posters have selective memories on this fact; but it's not Remainers.

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Yet again you prove that it is you who has no idea of what a democracy is.

 

In a democracy people are allowed to disagree with the government of the day and their policies. Even if that policy has been decided by a referendum.

 

If you truly believe that disagreeing with a referendum result and campaigning to overturn it is undemocratic and anti British, then you must apply those labels to Nigel Farage, Alan Sked and others who campaigned to reverse the result of the 1975 referendum from the early 1990s. Plus, of course, the many who criticised the result of the 1975 election from the moment the result was announced!

 

 A country where views opposing the government are forbidden and those expressing them are called traitors is not a democracy.

Says the guy that trashes the democratic vote of the UK populace that won the Brexit vote.... 

 

Get behind your country instead of backing those across the channel.......????

On 11/14/2020 at 12:16 PM, luckyluke said:

Suggesting I didn't understand, is a point of view.

If  say so. I don't.

 

On 11/14/2020 at 12:16 PM, luckyluke said:

The result of the Brexit referendum can in no way being modified.

It hasn't even been fully implemented yet and you are suggesting it to be modified. Shall we let every democratic result just be changed every time. Or shall we keep on voting until you get the right outcome. It took 43 years to get a referendum after being lied into the EEC. I am a fair person once Brexit is done lets give it half that time and revisit it. If there still is an EU left.

 

On 11/14/2020 at 12:16 PM, luckyluke said:

That's up to the U.K. governments to apparently not been able to make the right / firm decisions.

The majority of the voters in the U.K. wished to leave,

your governments decided there was a need of conditions before leaving,

and here you are 4 years later.

I thought you followed the UK politics and Brexit. We had a remainer PM in Theresa May. she wanted to remain and did her very best to carry that out, slowing the whole process for a couple of years. We now have a government voted in with an 80 seat majority. That is the significant difference,

 

On 11/14/2020 at 12:16 PM, luckyluke said:

Not agree, there are of course those who are not agree with the results, but I don't buy they have that super power to continually hampering. A lame excuse to try to hide the incompetency of the ones leading the country.

You are entitled to your o=pinion. Why doesn't the EU give every country the option for the referendum to leave or remain? We all know that reason.

 

As for lame excuse what on earth are you on about. I agree that TM and her government and the HoL are mainly remainers with a vested interest keeping us locked to the EU.

 

What is lame is that so many in the EU don't even realise that they have their identity, culture and sovereignty taken away from them referendum results are ignored or they are told to vote again until the right result comes out.

 

What a great organisation that is. Not much different from the Nazi party without the guns, same objective of controlling Europe.

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If  say so. I don't.

.....

 

 

 

 

I will stop to post about this Brexit and E.U. thing, I got already confused and may be more in the future.

 

But my general opinion :

 

Brexit is a past thing, it has been democrately decided.

 

Pro Brexiteers may claim how good it will be starting next year.

 

Remain voters may claim how bad the U.K. will be after Brexit.

 

It will take years before we really know the concrete outcome of Brexit.

 

Being Belgian, Belgium being a small country with no really significance in the world, I don't understand this sovereignty thing.

 

However it is my opinion, that it is used loosely, too much as an excuse, a false reason. 

 

This E.U. thing has never influenced my daily  life, me as a man of the street.

 

I don't know yet if Brexit will influence my life.

 

Many are the same as me, thus so far the E.U. is there, and we just live with it.

 

Sure if in the future it may influence negatively our daily life, dissatisfaction may rise, which can lead for some to a desire to leave the E.U..

 

 

10 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I will stop to post about this Brexit and E.U. thing, I got already confused and may be more in the future.

 

But my general opinion :

 

Brexit is a past thing, it has been democrately decided.

 

Pro Brexiteers may claim how good it will be starting next year.

 

Remain voters may claim how bad the U.K. will be after Brexit.

 

It will take years before we really know the concrete outcome of Brexit.

 

Being Belgian, Belgium being a small country with no really significance in the world, I don't understand this sovereignty thing.

 

However it is my opinion, that it is used loosely, too much as an excuse, a false reason. 

 

This E.U. thing has never influenced my daily  life, me as a man of the street.

 

I don't know yet if Brexit will influence my life.

 

Many are the same as me, thus so far the E.U. is there, and we just live with it.

 

Sure if in the future it may influence negatively our daily life, dissatisfaction may rise, which can lead for some to a desire to leave the E.U..

 

 

 

Please. Do not stop posting. I for one read your posts with interest.

The Brexiteers on here will bully, bluff and bluster but thats all they have.

Reasoned posts like yours are like kryptonite to them. They have no counter argument. 

20 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I will stop to post about this Brexit and E.U. thing, I got already confused and may be more in the future.

 

But my general opinion :

 

Brexit is a past thing, it has been democrately decided.

 

Pro Brexiteers may claim how good it will be starting next year.

 

Remain voters may claim how bad the U.K. will be after Brexit.

 

It will take years before we really know the concrete outcome of Brexit.

 

Being Belgian, Belgium being a small country with no really significance in the world, I don't understand this sovereignty thing.

 

However it is my opinion, that it is used loosely, too much as an excuse, a false reason. 

 

This E.U. thing has never influenced my daily  life, me as a man of the street.

 

I don't know yet if Brexit will influence my life.

 

Many are the same as me, thus so far the E.U. is there, and we just live with it.

 

Sure if in the future it may influence negatively our daily life, dissatisfaction may rise, which can lead for some to a desire to leave the E.U..

 

 

Mauvaise, tres mauvaise decision, pas possible de nous faire ca..... keep posting as your ideas/opinions are of great interest

Edited November 15, 20205 yr by Mavideol

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Thanks Rookiescot, I try to be objective, and express my opinion in a serene way.

I was confused in another topic, this may happen more frequently in the future,due to my age.

This will certainly be used by some here,

to claim that I am completely confused, and not know about what I speak.

I want to avoid this. 

Just now, luckyluke said:

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Thanks Rookiescot, I try to be objective, and express my opinion in a serene way.

I was confused in another topic, this may happen more frequently in the future,due to my age.

This will certainly be used by some here,

to claim that I am completely confused, and not know about what I speak.

I want to avoid this. 

Good job you are not a Brexiteer...imagine how confused you would have to be to vote for that???

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Mauvaise, tres mauvaise decision, pas possible de nous faire ca..... keep posting as your ideas/opinions are of great interest

Thank you,

by the way I am Flemish, but of course I understand, read and speak French and German.

It was mandatory to know our 3 national languages, when I was young.

English is thus my 4th. language.

 

See my post here above.

Notice how the phrase "leaving without a deal" has been dropped now.  It is now down to how forgiving the EU are prepared to be over the deal they agree to.

Just now, dunroaming said:

Notice how the phrase "leaving without a deal" has been dropped now.  It is now down to how forgiving the EU are prepared to be over the deal they agree to.

I always liked  "Australian terms".......idiots.

14 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

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Thanks Rookiescot, I try to be objective, and express my opinion in a serene way.

I was confused in another topic, this may happen more frequently in the future,due to my age.

This will certainly be used by some here,

to claim that I am completely confused, and not know about what I speak.

I want to avoid this. 

Mate you keep posting. If making a mistake was a reason for leaving the threads then there would only be remainers on here ????

12 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Thank you,

by the way I am Flemish, but of course I understand, read and speak French and German.

It was mandatory to know our 3 national languages, when I was young.

English is thus my 4th. language.

 

See my post here above.

4th language?

Most of us on here can only speak one. And many are not so good at that ????