Blumpie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Well I never saw this coming. It seems 3rd world thinking from a 2nd world country is going to catch this business. I think nobody is going to stay there now. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem11 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The test of whether something is defamatory and valid defences to defamation varies from country to country. In Australia the defence is truth and public interest. I doubt if anyone really knows whether the gent on Koh Chang was lying or not. If he was truth saying, it is in the public interest to know of this interesting case from Koh Chang. I do know from personal experience that Thai hotels misrepresent their amenities. But what recourse is there if you have been flimflammed? I applaud Trip Advisor for its stance on the matter. It is a pity that Booking.com does not have the same courage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopinbkk Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Yes, Trip Adviser should give a general warning about Thailand, not only a single hotel. A lawless / corrupt place under military rule, where the rule of law is wishful thinking. Sure, this has only touched a few unlucky foreigners (well, we might look at the 'Hiltons' in this country - lol). However, a factual warning to all future tourists may not be a bad idea ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P100 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Tripadvisor likes when their users are free and not in jail under drakonian military laws in Thailand. I love this site. Thank you for speaking on behalf of your user who has been silenced. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, P100 said: Tripadvisor likes when their users are free and not in jail under drakonian military laws in Thailand. He wasnt kept in jail under "Drakonian military laws" though . He was held at a police station because he couldnt pay the bail money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 It was a knocking bet what the american was going to do once he got out of the country, I also bet the hotel are now wishing they had never accepted his apologies Media would be all over this like a rash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavel Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Iv'e lived in Thailand for over twenty years & stayed in dozens of hotels & resorts, two star to five star. Never once have i been charged corkage. The owner of this place is a foreigner, who unfortunately for him tried to bring draconian rules acceptable in his own country, to Thailand. Poor man very ill advised. Som Nam Na my friend. Only two choices left. 1. pack up & go from where once you came. 2. Give the poor Yank (who spent time in jail) ฿1,000,000 to repost that it was all a big miss understanding. This gadgie has some serious lessons in life to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumpie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, ChipButty said: It was a knocking bet what the american was going to do once he got out of the country, I also bet the hotel are now wishing they had never accepted his apologies Media would be all over this like a rash Yep. And to think there was no forethought about the consequences of having him charged. Let's be honest, the guy seemed like a bit of a doofus but to have him thrown in prison had to have consequences all around. I've read those ranting lunatics on tripadvisor and I just laugh them off - you can see them all the time. They make their stay sound like they were torturing dogs all night outside their door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH1961 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 This kind of tourists should stay away from LOS. https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article179883836.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Factor Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) This is another example of draconian measures happening the past few months across many countries. A reasonable response would've been for the proprietor to post a rebuttal on TA without resorting to getting the police involved. Edited November 12, 2020 by The Now Factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The customer is always right. You don't throw a customer in jail and expect no consequences. There were other ways the hotel could have handled the situation. Hopefully this will be a lesson to other Thai businesses. Wonder if Mazda Thailand learned its lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Wavel said: Iv'e lived in Thailand for over twenty years & stayed in dozens of hotels & resorts, two star to five star. Never once have i been charged corkage. The owner of this place is a foreigner, who unfortunately for him tried to bring draconian rules acceptable in his own country, to Thailand. Poor man very ill advised. Som Nam Na my friend. Only two choices left. 1. pack up & go from where once you came. 2. Give the poor Yank (who spent time in jail) ฿1,000,000 to repost that it was all a big miss understanding. This gadgie has some serious lessons in life to learn. If the Hotel offered Barnes money then Trip advisor would take Barnes to Court for writing fake reviews as they did here in Italy A landmark legal ruling in Italy has seen a fraudulent online reviewer sentenced to jail, in one of the first cases of its kind. TripAdvisor supported the prosecution as a civil claimant, providing evidence from its in-house fraud investigations team. “We see this as a landmark ruling for the Internet,” said Brad Young, VP, associate general counsel at TripAdvisor. “Writing fake reviews has always been fraud, but this is the first time we’ve seen someone sent to jail as a result. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/tripadvisor-fake-reviews-paid-fraud-jail-legal-case-italy-promosalento-a8534006.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 If it's the only available hotel on koh Chang when the borders open I might consider it. I just drink my vodka in my room instead ???? The whole case blew out of proportion and shows what happen when people go ballistic, instead of sitting down and settle things like normal people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: Many Countries have slander laws . The American guy didnt get charged for writing a negative review, he got charged with lying about the hotel and writing false reviews Being arrested at his workplace, incarcerated and threatened with a gaol term then deportation...I think he would agree to anything the police and hotel said... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanaplaza666 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: The guy didnt write a honest review though , he wrote numerous false allegations because he got charged corkage on alcohol be bought into the hotel from outside . The American guy waged a campaign against the hotel because he got upset about not being allowed to bring in beer from 7/11 . Unfair on the hotel for Trip advisor to issue a warning , when the American guy wrote false reviews You are spot on , people should ban TripAdvisor instead of this resort . These days 100 people can write a good review of your hotel or restaurant but if 1 person goes on a rampage and even when proven wrong it seems like everybody only reads this persons review . This guy was a ???? and he was going on a rampage because didn't want to pay corkage fee , but every normal person knows this is kind of normal so he should just have paid and there would not be any problems . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopinbkk Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, SomchaiCNX said: The resort should sue trip adviser ???? Tripadviser should not be allowed in Thailand it is BS review site. They should give a general warning for Thailand but not single out this resort.They are there for their own interests only, nothing to do with real and honest reviews. They US guy was way out of line and it serves him well. Thailand, the Land of Fragile Egos ..... 5555 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanaplaza666 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, ChipButty said: Bottle of Vodka CORKAGE FEE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I see this story has brought out the usual comments from the brain dead idiots that know nothing about the full story A quote from the American who stayed there after the American apologised for "repeatedly false and untrue statements... made to maliciously defame Sea View. These reviews were written out of anger and malice". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanaplaza666 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said: Great News Trip Advisor! They have a duty to warn the public and Tourists they risk going to Jail for writing a negative reviews not just for this Hotel but in Thailand. Other travel Forums need to follow suit. Thailand can keep it's draconian laws but have to accept the consequences too. This wasn't just a negative review , if it was just a negative review nobody would have mind . This guy went on a rampage but didn't have any right to do so he was in the wrong . Just should have paid the corkage fee . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Thai Friendly put something like this on my profile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffinChonburi Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Ya know, some guys go too far. The ones: "I'll have your job" or speaking to mgmt: "I want to know what your gonna do about it?" So, those customers are not even really customers, but considered consumers in service industry that detract from the whole (Customer service experience). As for corking fees, it is what it is. We have had both in Thailand. Parties at the pool where we had to pay to bring our own booze cause there was a bar at the pool, and other hotels that said nothing at all. In the end, I think they are both right and both wrong. The dude is obviously a real A__ hole to deal with. However, the hotel should know there are gonna be A___ holes. They both paid dearly. Hope they both learned big lessons from this. I Love Thailand. The particularity of Thai employees can be annoying at times, but in the end, I know it all for the best and part of why I like Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanaplaza666 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, FritsSikkink said: Dumb comments as usual without knowing what happened. The reviewer acted like an idiot in the hotel, started a massive slander campaign (not 1 bad review which wasn't even the truth). Had a criminal record by threatening staff with a gun in the USA who had problems with his attitude. Wow Frits i am not always agreeing with you but this is a spot on comment . Deze man was gewoon een debiel en kan zo je hele business verknallen met z'n debiele commentaar en dat is precies wat er nu gebeurd met dit resort , dus heeft hij toch zijn zin . Ze hadden hem lekker hier in de gevangenis moeten laten rotten , stuk vullis . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, darrendsd said: I see this story has brought out the usual comments from the brain dead idiots that know nothing about the full story A quote from the American who stayed there after the American apologised for "repeatedly false and untrue statements... made to maliciously defame Sea View. These reviews were written out of anger and malice". Maybe the hotel in conjunction with lawyers etc wrote out this apology for the American to make in their acceptable way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark131v Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said: Yes, I think that warning was also a warning to other businesses in Thailand *If you prosecute any reviewers , we will place this on your TA page* , which will discourage any more prosecutions Good!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faxx Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Good to see TA posting this note. Hope it will help other hotels to handle negative reviews in a better way. As an occasional writer of hotel reviews I suggest other reviewers let some time lapse before they post their opinions online. It keeps your posts most zivilized and free of negative consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Saucage Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, darrendsd said: comments from the brain dead idiots that know nothing about the full story So, how are you, and how about you, Sherlock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Tripadvisor is just the same as Wikipedia. A home for the under-employed. I pay no mind to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmet Grunter Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The bottom line is, the guy was a fud and he got "what for" and <deleted> himself, fud. He won't be trying to impress his buddies with that kinda <deleted> again, fud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, newatthis said: Maybe the hotel in conjunction with lawyers etc wrote out this apology for the American to make in their acceptable way. a sort of Francis Gary Powers moment... verbatim apologies for your freedom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said: So, how are you, and how about you, Sherlock? Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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