After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

Some trial participants only got a partial dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. Experts said the company’s spotty disclosures have eroded confidence.

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Officials in the United States have noted that the results were not clear. It was the head of the flagship federal vaccine initiative — not the company — who first disclosed that the vaccine’s most promising results did not reflect data from older people.

 

The upshot, the experts said, is that the odds of regulators in the United States and elsewhere quickly authorizing the emergency use of the AstraZeneca vaccine are declining, an unexpected setback in the global campaign to corral the devastating pandemic.

 

“I think that they have really damaged confidence in their whole development program,” said Geoffrey Porges, an analyst for the investment bank SVB Leerink.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html

 

3 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

Some trial participants only got a partial dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. Experts said the company’s spotty disclosures have eroded confidence.

...

Officials in the United States have noted that the results were not clear. It was the head of the flagship federal vaccine initiative — not the company — who first disclosed that the vaccine’s most promising results did not reflect data from older people.

 

The upshot, the experts said, is that the odds of regulators in the United States and elsewhere quickly authorizing the emergency use of the AstraZeneca vaccine are declining, an unexpected setback in the global campaign to corral the devastating pandemic.

 

“I think that they have really damaged confidence in their whole development program,” said Geoffrey Porges, an analyst for the investment bank SVB Leerink.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html

 

And yet Thailand has agreed to buy and produce this vaccine.

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And yet Thailand has agreed to buy and produce this vaccine.

 

The AZ vaccine was slated to be the main vaccine for most of the developing world countries...because it doesn't have the same freezing/special care requirements as the Pfizer and Moderna versions.

 

Whether and how that might change, in the wake of AZ's latest vaccine trial snafus, remains to be seen.

 

1 hour ago, Flying Saucage said:

It might take at least one more year till they allow us dirty farangs to come back to Thailand, even if we were vaccinated.

 

Nothing stopping the vast majority of "dirty farangs" coming back now other than themselves.

2 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

 

The AZ vaccine was slated to be the main vaccine for most of the developing world countries...because it doesn't have the same freezing/special care requirements as the Pfizer and Moderna versions.

 

Whether and how that might change, in the wake of AZ's latest vaccine trial snafus, remains to be seen.

 

Moderna not as bad as Pfizer in terms of temp requirements but is looking like the most expensive per dose

Im waiting for the mutated  super  covid  virus  to kill most  of the population after this  fails,  shouldnt be too long

1 hour ago, Side Show said:

Moderna not as bad as Pfizer in terms of temp requirements but is looking like the most expensive per dose

Thai  free,  farang 100k  baht, on renewal of  visa........... bye  bye  Thailand Wife and 7  condos

4 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

Nothing stopping the vast majority of "dirty farangs" coming back now other than themselves.

Maybe they know a scam when they see one with the  overpriced admitted by the govt cashcow of State Quarantine.

WHY are children priority?

Remember, even people who have been vaccinated can contract the virus and are at risk of spreading the virus!

13 minutes ago, bikerlou47 said:

WHY are children priority?

 

 

Children are the future, not the old and frail.

9 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Italy gives it away for free,  I'm sure the Thai government charges x10 of what they have paid for it.

Ya didn't even take the time to read the article.  Wow.

 

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Opas confirmed that vaccination will be provided free of charge by the government. Private hospitals can source their own vaccine supply, he added.

 

4 hours ago, bodga said:

Thai  free,  farang 100k  baht, on renewal of  visa........... bye  bye  Thailand Wife and 7  condos

 

 

hopefully I too can get it free with my social security card !!

11 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

mate, even soi dogs are ahead of us in the queue 

 

If only there were a vaccine for viral old farang drama queenism.

8 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

If only there were a vaccine for viral old farang drama queenism.

 

There is, its made from lead.

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The country last week signed a Bt6-billion deal

????????????

 

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Private hospitals can source their own vaccine supply, he added.

 

Start saving now guys & gals, I don’t think foreigners are going to be anywhere high on the Thai vaccine priority list. We will need to go private. 
 

I don’t care of anyone’s opinion just please everyone go ahead of me in the cue and leave me alone with your any kind of “health or immunity” <deleted> programs, as everyone who understands life and body functions must know about the immune system, who does not that are not doctors in the reality just certified sales and business people in the name of health

Young children aren't at risk. Start with the elderly and people in bad health.

49 minutes ago, bikerlou47 said:

WHY are children priority?

Remember, even people who have been vaccinated can contract the virus and are at risk of spreading the virus!

It the US, it's front line responders and elderly in nursing homes first.  Just listened to an interview with the CEO of the company making the jabs.  He said they are still evolving and will for sure change over the coming months.

 

It's really amazing technology.  mRNA technology.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/30/health/covid-vaccine-questions-when/index.html

 

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But while millions of health care workers and residents of nursing homes may get immunized against the virus before the end of the year, the rest of the population is going to have to wait for months.

Healthy adults under the age of 65 and children may well have to wait until late spring or even the summer, depending on how many vaccines get approved, how quickly they can be manufactured and distributed, and how the debate goes over allocation.

 

 

11 hours ago, EricTh said:

May? Why not January?

 

That means the economy is going to be closed for a long time.

 

England starts using Pfizer this week, the vaccine requires special freezing conditions, Astra Zeneca can be kept at normal fridge temperatures, Thailand would have great difficulty with the Pfizer vaccine.

Astra vaccine has not yet finished trials and the rate of efficiency is still being questioned as they have got different results , better up to 90% buy giving a half dose first then a full dose second , but only 60% by giving 2 full shots.

I think the jury is still out on this, but it seems that the Astra vaccine will be the one used in warm climates and third world countries to start with.

It has been trialed in warm climates.

 

I would have expected the Chinese vaccine to be released into Thailand as they have supposed to have tested it on their army and hundreds of thousands of people.

There must be a problem with this vaccine, as China guaranteed Thailand supply.

But good news is England are rolling and Thailand is preparing, I would hazard a guess that their program will start before may, if Astra sort out their dosing problem.

 

As for expats in LOS you should get the vaccine free as most countries are going to make it free, but that remains to be seen, also would you want it? and will Thailand force it upon you?

 

Watch this space, the airlines are polishing the planes as we speak.

 

2 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

England starts using Pfizer this week, the vaccine requires special freezing conditions, Astra Zeneca can be kept at normal fridge temperatures, Thailand would have great difficulty with the Pfizer vaccine.

Astra vaccine has not yet finished trials and the rate of efficiency is still being questioned as they have got different results , better up to 90% buy giving a half dose first then a full dose second , but only 60% by giving 2 full shots.

I think the jury is still out on this, but it seems that the Astra vaccine will be the one used in warm climates and third world countries to start with.

It has been trialed in warm climates.

 

I would have expected the Chinese vaccine to be released into Thailand as they have supposed to have tested it on their army and hundreds of thousands of people.

There must be a problem with this vaccine, as China guaranteed Thailand supply.

But good news is England are rolling and Thailand is preparing, I would hazard a guess that their program will start before may, if Astra sort out their dosing problem.

 

As for expats in LOS you should get the vaccine free as most countries are going to make it free, but that remains to be seen, also would you want it? and will Thailand force it upon you?

 

Watch this space, the airlines are polishing the planes as we speak.

 

 

I predict that anyone who wants to enter Thailand in the future must get a vaccine cert. 

 

 

19 minutes ago, realfunster said:

 

 

Start saving now guys & gals, I don’t think foreigners are going to be anywhere high on the Thai vaccine priority list. We will need to go private. 
 

You understand that the AstraZenica does are less than 100 baht apiece right? Better save up 

 

Makes perfect sense.  Yes, the countries that funded the vaccines will get first shot at it.  Also, of course Thai citizens should get it first. Do you think your home country would allow a Thai visitor to step in line before a citizen.  Nothing stopping people to go home and get vaccinated in their home countries.  And if private hospitals do get a hold of some then yes, they are entitled to charge as they will surely have to pay for the vaccine and they are entitled to a profit.  Maybe some of the private insurance companies will pay for your vaccines or subsidize as it is in their best interest for their clients to not catch covid

1 minute ago, spermwhale said:

You understand that the AstraZenica does are less than 100 baht apiece right? Better save up 

 

 

If the numbers in the OP are accurate each dose costs (the government) Bt.23.00.

 

One would hope they cost the end user Bt100.00 or less but I highly doubt that will be the case.

1 minute ago, Techno Viking said:

 

If the numbers in the OP are accurate each dose costs (the government) Bt.23.00.

 

One would hope they cost the end user Bt100.00 or less but I highly doubt that will be the case.

Current flu shots at private hospitals are from 600-800B per jab.  I'm guessing these should be about in the same range?

could you know the contentment of this kind of cow's holy water?
maybe checked by independent doctors,
so to know what is really being injected into people

1 minute ago, farang63 said:

could you know the contentment of this kind of cow's holy water?
maybe checked by independent doctors,
so to know what is really being injected into people

In the US, an independent group analyzes the data and makes the decision on what to do.  Easy to find out about mRNA tech.  Google it.

The cost for each dose ranges from $3 to $37, depending on the vaccine.

Moderna, a two-dose vaccine, recently announced each dose will go for around $32 to $37.

The Pfizer vaccine, also given in two doses, is expected to cost $19.50 a dose.

Each dose for Johnson & Johnson’s two-dose vaccine will cost an estimated $10, and AstraZeneca’s two-dose vaccine could be the cheapest at just $3 to $4 a dose.

 

Overall, the developers found that the 2-dose vaccine had an efficacy of 70%, when measured 2 weeks after participants received their second dose. But that figure is an average of the 62% and 90% efficacy from the two dosing regimens. 

 

 

They probably bought this vaccine because it is cheaper. Cheap cheap how much is a life worth..

I will never take this questionable UK produced vaccine.

They could not even issue the correct doses and 62,70,90% what is it really? What other mistakes were made?

No problem, hopefully I can get the Pfizer jab here but if not, I will travel to a country to get it.

 

Edited December 4, 20205 yr by bkk6060

The good news for me is I will be able to wait another year (2022) if the vaccine becomes a compulsory requirement for extension of stay or a visa

How much did they get a quote for 400 to get the vaccine