22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Yes. You should read them. Where does the judge's cancellation order mention what Giuliani said?

Why would he have to? I'll give you 3 guesses as to the name of the lawyer who presented the case before Judge Brann. Whose arguments do you think Judge Brann was addressing?

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

Absolutely right.  It may go to the Supremes.  Don’t count your chickens until they hatch.

In the meantime the USA is leaderless and rudderless, hundreds, perhaps thousands of

people are dying every day, Trump is either playing golf, or stomping around saying "They stole the election that I really won".

 

IMHO Trump has only one person on his mind all the time and it is himself. He doesn't care about anybody or anything but himself. He has seen this coming for months which is why he was claiming election fraud with no evidence for months.

 

He is quite rightly, again IMHO, terrified of what is going to happen when he leaves the White House next year. He can pardon himself, resign and let Pence pardon him (who will face a hugh sh!t storm if he does) and he will be able to get a walk on the federal things he has done when in power, BUT IIRC getting a federal pardon will make no difference to offences committed in the States.

 

What I would like to see, is another Amendment to the US Constitution to prevent anything like this happening again.

24 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

The judges cancellation order?  What has that got to do with your initial statement?  You asked for links that Guiliani said that it was not a fraud case!!!

 

Perhaps you should listen to the clip...from about 37 seconds in guilaini says "YES THIS IS NOT A FRAUD CASE".

 

 

 

Your bottom link said it was the state (defence) lawyer who said it. Not Giuliani!

A post containing a questionable video has been reported and removed along with replies.

 

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Your bottom link said it was the state (defence) lawyer who said it. Not Giuliani!

 

you seem confused.  the bottom link is headlined:

 

'This Is Not A Fraud Case,' Giuliani Tells PA Judge

https://patch.com/pennsylvania/lansdale/judge-receives-pa-election-lawsuit-skeptically-cancels-hearing

 

 

regardless, the first link was the youtube clip of the court recording, you can listen to guliani himself.  if you dare.

She’s a first class fruit loop who pleaded guilty to sending video of her being humped to her boyfriend’s ex-wife. And you refer to her as some upstanding citizen. She has zero credibility.

34 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

She’s a first class fruit loop who pleaded guilty to sending video of her being humped to her boyfriend’s ex-wife. And you refer to her as some upstanding citizen. She has zero credibility.

Actually, I believe she sent that video to her ex-boyfriend's current wife.

8 hours ago, riclag said:

The POTUS hasn't conceded !My countries Presidential election is still being contested in the courts!  Mr. Trump is very confident that he will  have another 4 years !  Looking forward to the gop senators winning !Looking forward to Mr. Trump being sworn in on Jan,21

Jan 21st?

Trump will be "Sworn in" to an appropriate mental healthcare facility no doubt , exactly one day after President Elect Biden will be sworn in as the President of the United States of (all) America on January 20th 2021

 

Note: A public ceremony is scheduled for Wednesday, January 20, 2021, on the West Front of the United States Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. The event will be the 59th presidential inauguration. Biden will take the oath of office as president on that day, and Harris will take the oath of office as vice president.

 

 

 

_________________________________________________________________________

My father's gonna be really upset, and when my father gets upset, the ground shakes! My father is God! I worship my father!” quote from 12 Monkeys .Brad Pitt - as .Jeffrey Goines.

Some guys just don´t get when it´s time to quit.

4 hours ago, Susco said:

 

It has come to my attention that many of the Trump and Brexiteers are the same names.

 

Does that tell you something lol

Both Brexit and Trump followed the same populist playbook: spreading desinformation, lies, and hatred among the losers of society who are desperate for a scapegoat and some action in their miserable lifes, even if it’s something as ridiculous as a “deep state” eating little children in the basement of pizza shops or “mafia bureaucrats in Brussels”. Those who have a lot of time but little education easily believe the biggest nonsense you post on your legit looking news blog, and the idea of being a little James Bond who cracked the master plan of the conspiring elites provides their life some meaning and belongingness for the first time. 

So let's summarise again. Trump and his gang are accusing a GOP State administration and GOP counties of conspiring with the "Commie" company Dominion in order to help Biden win elections!

 

Well, I guess some people can think it's quite logical, right? ????????????????????????

Donald Trump repeats unfounded claims of US election corruption as he rallies for Republican Senate candidates in Georgia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-06/donald-trump-holds-rally-in-georgia-first-since-us-election/12954882

Having told his audience that elections are rigged , republican votes stolen , Trump then tells them all to vote in the upcoming Senate run offs.

Can any of you Trump supporters answer a very simple question ;

If the votes are rigged , what has changed ?Trump has either lied about irregularities or he is encouraging voters to waste their time and effort , one of these statements by definition must be true !

I patiently await the (non ) responses.

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

I agree that all of this would have to be all demonstrated and proven in court, which is the place that these people are having a hard time accessing so far. 

So all the court documents published by the respective courts must be referring to a completely different Trump then who apparently had much better success accessing those courts since he’s mentioned as the plaintiff. 

On 12/7/2020 at 12:44 AM, joecoolfrog said:

Having told his audience that elections are rigged , republican votes stolen , Trump then tells them all to vote in the upcoming Senate run offs.

Can any of you Trump supporters answer a very simple question ;

If the votes are rigged , what has changed ?

Didn’t you know that Democrats only manipulate votes for the presidential race, not those for senate and house? That’s how they managed to make Biden win while losing house seats and not winning senate. 
 

 

 

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by onthedarkside
trolling photo removed

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Didn’t you know that Democrats only manipulate votes for the presidential race, not those for senate and house? That’s how they managed to make Biden win while losing house seats and not winning senate. 
 

 

I want the MAGA crew on here to tell us how the low intelligence libs could be so crafty....so devious....so maniacally evil in their cunning that they could pull this off with the most scrutinized election of all time....with Dear President screaming since June (The day nobody showed up for his Tulsa Super Spreader event and he realized he was in big trouble) that this supposed crisis of democracy would happen and yet...it is to the point that MAGA is crying out for any super hero to come save the day... how did MAGA fumble the ball so badly....how did MAGA let the foul depraved forces of the left manage to pull this off? And how deliciously evil of the libs to intentionally lose House seats and not just take the senate by 75% to make it look like it was a fair election....how restrained the forces of evil were....how well played...how could such low intelligence be so ahead of the game on MAGA? Please tell us how all of this was manipulated, coerced and orchestrated with such beautiful synchronicity?

5 hours ago, AlexRich said:

She’s a first class fruit loop who pleaded guilty to sending video of her being humped to her boyfriend’s ex-wife. And you refer to her as some upstanding citizen. She has zero credibility.

You mean there are men in America who would hump her? Wow.

3 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Donald Trump repeats unfounded claims of US election corruption as he rallies for Republican Senate candidates in Georgia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-06/donald-trump-holds-rally-in-georgia-first-since-us-election/12954882

Riddle me this:  If unfounded then why this?

 

Senators Introduce Petition to Call Special Session

 

As the Petition makes clear, testimonial and other evidence given before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee demonstrated a systemic failure to observe Georgia Election laws.

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Riddle me this:  If unfounded then why this?

 

Senators Introduce Petition to Call Special Session

 

As the Petition makes clear, testimonial and other evidence given before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee demonstrated a systemic failure to observe Georgia Election laws.

These are allegations, not evidence.

I can allege you are having sexual relations with a goat, but unless I can produce a photo or a DNA sample matching yours, my allegation is without foundation.

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Riddle me this:  If unfounded then why this?

 

Senators Introduce Petition to Call Special Session

 

As the Petition makes clear, testimonial and other evidence given before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee demonstrated a systemic failure to observe Georgia Election laws.

 

Saturday, Sen. William Ligon (R – Brunswick), Sen. Greg Dolezal (R – Cumming), Sen. Brandon Beach (R – Alpharetta) and Sen. Burt Jones (R – Jackson) drafted a Petition calling for and convening a Special Session. 

 

So the answer would be, Tippaporn, Republican Senators that are terrified of Dear President is the reason for "why this".

 

Not much of a riddle...

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by Tie Dye Samurai

23 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

 

Saturday, Sen. William Ligon (R – Brunswick), Sen. Greg Dolezal (R – Cumming), Sen. Brandon Beach (R – Alpharetta) and Sen. Burt Jones (R – Jackson) drafted a Petition calling for and convening a Special Session. 

 

So the answer would be, Tippaporn, Republican Senators that are terrified of Dear President is the reason for "why this".

 

Not much of a riddle...

Another allegation sans evidence?  Seems to me to be simply an opinion.  We've all got those.  Not much of an answer.

58 minutes ago, placeholder said:

40 failed lawsuits including ones that took place in front of Trump judges is a pretty good place to begin. As I recall you once claimed that the fact that there were so many lawsuits proved that there must be something to the claims of fraud.

There's some misleading reporting suggesting that all of these lawsuits are lawsuits filed by Trump's team.  Do you know how many and which lawsuits where filed by Trump and how many and which ones were filed by other parties?  Can you cite which Trump lawsuits were retracted and state the reasons why?  Are you even interested in knowing what's true and what's not?

 

And shall we pretend that judge's ruling are always just and fair?  Shall we go there?

 

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by Tippaporn

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

These are allegations, not evidence.

I can allege you are having sexual relations with a goat, but unless I can produce a photo or a DNA sample matching yours, my allegation is without foundation.

No. By very definition this IS evidence.

 

Definition of evidence

 (Entry 1 of 2)

1a: an outward sign : INDICATION

b: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

 

 Is the growing avalanche of claims of irregularities an "indication" of wrong doing? No question about it. No matter how politically devastating this all is for the team claiming early victory, there is no way to honestly deny the claims constitute "evidence" as per the definition of the word.

 

 The only way forward is for more open discussion of the evidence, and to make sure both sides are heard, before courts decide. By continuing to try covering up and mocking the evidence they will never win trust, or get the 70 odd million Americans who voted for Trump to accept defeat, or consent to a Biden presidency.

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by TopDeadSenter

6 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

No. By very definition this IS evidence.

 

Definition of evidence

 (Entry 1 of 2)

1a: an outward sign : INDICATION

b: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

 

 Is the growing avalanche of claims of irregularities an "indication" of wrong doing? No question about it. No matter how politically devastating this all is for the team claiming early victory, there is no way to honestly deny the claims constitute "evidence" as per the definition of the word.

 

 The only way forward is for more open discussion of the evidence, and to make sure both sides are heard, before courts decide. By continuing to try covering up and mocking the evidence they will never win trust, or get the 70 odd million Americans who voted for Trump to accept defeat, or consent to a Biden presidency.

Absolutely spot on, TopDeadSenter.  One allegation can be waved off easily enough.  Perhaps even 10.  But a hundred?  Hundreds?  Thousands?  It no longer becomes plausible that every affiant lied.  Remember, too, that these affiants swore to the truth of their statements under oath and with severe penalties resulting from purposely submitting false evidence.

 

What's at stake here is whether or not going forward voting will cease to be an exercise in the right of individuals to choose their representative government.  This is too important of an issue to disallow debate on any and all evidence put before legislatures or the courts.  What possible reason would there be to not allow debate?  Would anyone forfeit their God given right to vote in the future solely for the reason of ensuring that a preferred candidate wins?  Does anyone not grasp the shortsightedness of such a decision?

 

And I would affirm also, TopDeadSenter, that if in the minds of a majority of 70+M Americans they honestly believe the election to be fraudulent then America would be looking forward to another 4 years of pure hell.

What are the specific allegations in the affidavits.

 

Why hasnt rudy produced them to the court.

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What are the specific allegations in the affidavits.

 

Why hasnt rudy produced them to the court.

There are many affidavits available for the public to read.  Your question suggests you have not the interest to find and read them.  Why is it that I've been able to read quite a few of them?

 

Your second question is revealing as well.  Do you think Rudy walked into court with an empty briefcase?

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Absolutely spot on, TopDeadSenter.  One allegation can be waved off easily enough.  Perhaps even 10.  But a hundred?  Hundreds?  Thousands?  It no longer becomes plausible that every affiant lied.  Remember, too, that these affiants swore to the truth of their statements under oath and with severe penalties resulting from purposely submitting false evidence.

 

What's at stake here is whether or not going forward voting will cease to be an exercise in the right of individuals to choose their representative government.  This is too important of an issue to disallow debate on any and all evidence put before legislatures or the courts.  What possible reason would there be to not allow debate?  Would anyone forfeit their God given right to vote in the future solely for the reason of ensuring that a preferred candidate wins?  Does anyone not grasp the shortsightedness of such a decision?

 

And I would affirm also, TopDeadSenter, that if in the minds of a majority of 70+M Americans they honestly believe the election to be fraudulent then America would be looking forward to another 4 years of pure hell.

Blah blah! It's just propaganda because a moron cannot stand losing.

If there is any fraud, it has to be settled in the courts, with real testimonies under oath.

1 minute ago, candide said:

Blah blah! It's just propaganda because a moron cannot stand losing.

If there is any fraud, it has to be settled in the courts, with real testimonies under oath.

You seem not interested in the larger picture?

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

There's some misleading reporting suggesting that all of these lawsuits are lawsuits filed by Trump's team.  Do you know how many and which lawsuits where filed by Trump and how many and which ones were filed by other parties?  Can you cite which Trump lawsuits were retracted and state the reasons why?  Are you even interested in knowing what's true and what's not?

 

And shall we pretend that judge's ruling are always just and fair?  Shall we go there?

 

Would dozens of lawsuits insisting that the earth is flat actually make the earth flat?

 

We don't have the time or means to personally review and fact check every charge against the election.  We let the courts do that.  So far the courts have been rejecting these legal challenges for lack of evidence.  Let us know if that changes.

14 hours ago, heybruce said:

Ok, I began my post with "I think that ThaiVisa approves sources with a verifiable history of credible reporting."

 

You reply by saying you use OAN, Newsmax, and unmemorable others for your information.

 

You are missing something very obvious here.

 

13 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Then why don't you help me out, Bruce? 

Ok, since you need it spelled out for you:  OAN and Newsmax do not have a verifiable history of credible reporting.  They have a verifiable history of misrepresenting facts and promoting conspiracy theories.  That's why ThaiVisa won't accept them as credible news sources.

 

Why don't you find credible news sources to support your claims?