We all tend to believe what we want to see.  Better to consider the evidence from both sides—then make a rational decision.

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This discussion is both devolving and running in circles.  There's no point in attempting a sensible reply to the above.  There's not much more I can say without repeating myself endlessly.  Time will tell.

And regardless of how many times you repeat a lie, it STILL won't be true. 45 lost. Embrace that truth.

4 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

We all tend to believe what we want to see.  Better to consider the evidence from both sides—then make a rational decision.

45 supporters have repeatedly shown an allergy to facts, there IS no rational decision that can form in their minds.

4 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

We all tend to believe what we want to see.  Better to consider the evidence from both sides—then make a rational decision.

This is typical cliched thinking along the lines of where there's smoke there's fire and there's 2 sides to every story...etc. The Trump partisans have had ample opportunities to present their cases in courts. You know what courts are, right? Legally designated venues that exist to judge evidence. Repeatedly the pro trump forces have had their cases thrown out of said venues. What is so difficult to understand about the significance of this?

7 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

We all tend to believe what we want to see.  Better to consider the evidence from both sides—then make a rational decision.

Sadly, this is very true.  Stunning how many believe the fake news they read and watch on the alt right media sites and on social media.  Shows the problems with democracy.

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

There are many affidavits available for the public to read.  Your question suggests you have not the interest to find and read them.  Why is it that I've been able to read quite a few of them?

 

Your second question is revealing as well.  Do you think Rudy walked into court with an empty briefcase?

From his performances thus far, more like an empty head.

 

37 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

We all tend to believe what we want to see.  

Nope, that only applies to the Trump sect. Everyone else is sticking to facts. 
 

37 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Better to consider the evidence from both sides—then make a rational decision.

Which the courts have done. More than one. 

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

We all tend to believe what we want to see.  Better to consider the evidence from both sides—then make a rational decision.

Which is what many of us have done.

 

Which is what to he courts have done.

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Affidavits are legal evidence.  Look it up if you wish.  Lots of legal sites available to verify this.  All affidavits are unsubstantiated and require verification.  Until that time they are neither true, but neither are they false.

Yes, and they are verified by evidence.

 

The various law suits (39/40? is it now, I lose count) are being rejected because no evidence is offered to substantiate the evidence.

 

I could swear an affidavit to the effect that the moon is made of blue cheese ( it's not, everyone knows it is green cheese) but without evidence it would be a worthless piece of paper. These affidavits are not entirely worthless, they give Rudy Giuliani something to flourish during his press conferences...

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

These affidavits are not entirely worthless, they give Rudy Giuliani something to flourish during his press conferences...

I doubt we'll be hearing from Rudy any time soon, he's at Walter Reid Landscaping with Covid.

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

I doubt we'll be hearing from Rudy any time soon, he's at Walter Reid Landscaping with Covid.

Out in a couple of days then, feeling several years younger?

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"We're not gonna go vote on January 5 on another machine made by China. You're not gonna fool Georgians again," Wood said at a Wednesday rally in Alpharetta. "Why would you go back and vote in another rigged election? For God's sake fix it. You gotta fix it before we'll do it again."

https://www.newsweek.com/what-polls-say-about-kelly-loeffler-raphael-warnock-one-month-before-georgias-election-1552241

 

Georgia Republicans need to listen to him, he's a smart man!

 

But weren't the machines made in Venezuela, with Hugo Chavez himself calibrating them?

 

 

21 minutes ago, J Town said:

I doubt we'll be hearing from Rudy any time soon, he's at Walter Reid Landscaping with Covid.

I'm wondering if he will get the same VIP treatment Trump got at Walter Reed, at taxpayer expense.

He should be charged with dereliction of duty (among other things) and spend the rest of his miserable life rotting away in prison.

 

Trump rants about his election grievances in Georgia, even though it may hurt the GOP

 

"[...] in his seemingly endless narcissism, Trump found it difficult to keep the focus on Loeffler and Perdue, repeatedly turning back to his own complaints and made only passing references to the alarming rise in Covid-19 cases nationally at a rally where almost no one wore masks and there was no social distancing."

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by Phoenix Rising

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Why do they refuse to provide this massive evidence to the courts.

Tippaporn said:

Again, the evidence is massive.  And the evidence does not simply consist of affidavits.  There exists other factual data which is not in dispute.  You would have garnered that if you had read the entirety of the petition.

 

It doesn't seem to matter how many times you and many other posters point out that no supporting evidence has been presented in a court of law, with the reason being that there is none. It doesn't "sink in" with the trump supporters does it, so a waste of time trying to get them to see logic and reason as there seems to be nothing to process it!

2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

He should be charged with dereliction of duty (among other things) and spend the rest of his miserable life rotting away in prison.

 

Trump rants about his election grievances in Georgia, even though it may hurt the GOP

 

"[...] in his seemingly endless narcissism, Trump found it difficult to keep the focus on Loeffler and Perdue, repeatedly turning back to his own complaints and made only passing references to the alarming rise in Covid-19 cases nationally at a rally where almost no one wore masks and there was no social distancing."

Life and the virus are obviously not fair, if they were Trump supporters at these rallies would be dying like flies, and the Democrat vote differential would be even bigger than it is.

1 hour ago, J Town said:

I'll breathe easier when Biden is sworn in. 45 is still trying to pull a fast one by filling the pentagon with loyalists, setting up for a military coup just like any other fascist dictator would.

Trump is replacing civilian political appointees with loyalists, but he can't replace the men and women in uniform so easily.  They will not support a coup.

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You've asked that question before and I gave you an answer.

  

 

But yet in the interest of democracy and possibly enlightening the rest of us, you wont do us the service of providing a second time this crucial evidence that could indeed show us the light and change our minds? It isn't like you do not have the time go repost this valuable piece of information....go on Tippaporn, please throw all of us unwashed and uneducated a bone and bestow upon us the much needed data....the fruits of the toil of your exhaustive research, that will indeed change the course of history. I dare you.....Make America Great Again.

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by Tie Dye Samurai

10 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Riddle me this:  If unfounded then why this?

 

Senators Introduce Petition to Call Special Session

 

As the Petition makes clear, testimonial and other evidence given before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee demonstrated a systemic failure to observe Georgia Election laws.

How shameless are these Republican cheaters trying to overturn the democratic vote!

11 minutes ago, candide said:

How shameless are these Republican cheaters trying to overturn the democratic vote!

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

And don't you mistakenly believe that the courts have ultimately accepted any evidence of such. And that includes judges appointed by Trump.

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by placeholder

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

OK, but ‘belief’ is not enough, where’s the evidence?

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

You mean all the republican judges are in on it as well?

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

Luckily, a majority of the population knows the election was free and fair.  If these "Americans" were truly patriotic, they'd stop listening to the politicians telling lies about this.  This will have long last effects on our country. 

 

There was no significant fraud.  Stop with the baseless claims.

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

Which fraud?

Judges, including Republicans did not find fraud ; the GOP governor, GOP secretary of State and GOP election officials said no fraud; GOP Barr sad he did not find any fraud, security chief nominated by Trump said elections most secure.

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong.  Republican, Democrat, Independent . . . doesn't matter what political stripe.  Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

Trump is only maintaining the fiction the election was fraudulent so he can keep the campaign funds rolling in from the suckers contributors. Anything less than $5000 goes straight into his pocket, do you think he's going to turn that easy money off, coming as it does from people who are too stupid to think for themselves? You believe the deranged drivel of conspiracy websites?

BTW, regarding insults, it was Harry Truman who said if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. It's ironic the post-presidential pension and security staff perks that were set up to aid one of the most straight-talking presidents of our times will now benefit the most dishonest in America's history.

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask anyone who believes the election was wrought with fraud and they'd all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to right a wrong. 

Ask anyone who believes the earth is flat and they’d all tell you it would be their patriotic duty to travel to that big ice wall and climb it. 
 

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Just because you believe it was straight as an arrow don't mistakenly believe everyone is blind to the fraud.

“believing” is something your sect does. We stick to the facts: a fair election; not evidence of widespread or systemic fraud. Only the usual lies from the Trump playbook. Tired of this wannabe totalitarian dictator shít. Glad he’ll be gone soon. 

25 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It's ironic the post-presidential pension and security staff perks that were set up to aid one of the most straight-talking presidents of our times will now benefit the most dishonest in America's history.

Basically Trump is gonna have a Secret Service Agent for his personal caddy while he picks up his ball from the rough or the sand tramp and throws it on the green...God Bless America *sigh* 

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by Tie Dye Samurai

3 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Basically Trump is gonna have a Secret Service Agent for his personal caddy while he picks up his ball from the rough or the sand tramp and throws it on the green...God Bless America *sigh* 

I'm just wondering who among the Secret Service will be lining up for that detail, given the stunt he pulled while he still had COVID.

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  No, I haven't heard that crazy story but it is one of the funnier things I've read here.  I'm not even gonna ask you for a link verifying that "fact."  I wouldn't doubt for a minute that some leftist reporter actually published an article with that claim backed up by "multiple inside sources close to the President who wish to remain anonymous."

Yeah such a crazy story. Just google sidney powell dumped instead of searching rudy is the best ever.

 

Noye its the same suit she dropped in michigan.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/sidney-powell-hypes-election-lawsuit-despite-trump-disowning-2020-11

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by Sujo