1 hour ago, transam said:

But I am not, or my family, Gypsies/travellers......????......I am English and proud of it, even though I am a nobody..

Proud of a coincidence? Like being proud of having blue eyes, none of your doing. False identity, we won a gold medal at the olympics, no, the contestant won a gold medal, we won the cup, no, the team won the cup. You are identifying with a nebulous idea. What is a country, just a confined piece of land with artificial borders, it has inhabitants of course but every country has inhabitants and when one considers that the genetic variation in the whole of the human race is less than that of a troop of chimpanzees then they aren't very different so I'm not sure what you are proud of. You aren't any different in your thinking from 90% of the human race, that's what makes wars possible and this thinking is encouraged by your political masters and those who control the economic resources, they have no such blindfolds and will have foreign bank accounts and houses far away from Westminster, even little Farage made sure that two of his children have German passports, he doesn't drink the same wine as you but he will tell you that yours is the best.

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Rather that than those who cuddle up to terrorist organisations, eh....????

But, thankfully they have been deleted, and now their more sensible leader is having problems with the remaining crew..????

I suspect our "more sensible leader" is significantly more worried about the ERG than any Remainers.

 

He is going to cave-in to secure a deal and then have to rely on the opposition to support him whilst Bone, Bridgen, Redwood and the ilk are frothing at the mouth....screaming infamy, infamy.......you know the rest.

31 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Wife is still asleep and not allowed to play my guitar yet.

What do you play on the guitar, 'I Used to Love EU, But it's all Over Now' ????????????

22 hours ago, transam said:

1939-45 cost the UK a lot more than that, we got over it and prospered. So stop worrying about the UK....????

"We" did? You and Captain Tom?

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Saint Agur.

 

I am a member of the C.C.D. P. (Correct  Cheese Denomination Police).

Ha..thanks...a little on the soft side for me.....but a good Blue Cheese in Germany was quite rare.

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

What do you play on the guitar, 'I Used to Love EU, But it's all Over Now' ????????????

If I can find the tab I'll send an audio file.

6 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Proud of a coincidence? Like being proud of having blue eyes, none of your doing. False identity, we won a gold medal at the olympics, no, the contestant won a gold medal, we won the cup, no, the team won the cup. You are identifying with a nebulous idea. What is a country, just a confined piece of land with artificial borders, it has inhabitants of course but every country has inhabitants and when one considers that the genetic variation in the whole of the human race is less than that of a troop of chimpanzees then they aren't very different so I'm not sure what you are proud of. You aren't any different in your thinking from 90% of the human race, that's what makes wars possible and this thinking is encouraged by your political masters and those who control the economic resources, they have no such blindfolds and will have foreign bank accounts and houses far away from Westminster, even little Farage made sure that two of his children have German passports, he doesn't drink the same wine as you but he will tell you that yours is the best.

Are you being paid to advertise your Germany...?

The read is about Brexit, not where you deported yourself too.......????

2 hours ago, transam said:

I've never been to Africa.......????

One of your helical coils will have a black spot. Genetic evidence from the earliest homo sapien found in England showed that the male had black skin and blue eyes, blue eyes have been traced back to an early ancestor who lived in what is now Spain so you may be/probably are, a dago, kraut mixture who has his beginnings in Africa.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"We" did? You and Captain Tom?

"We", being my country, do I have to explain everything to some of you....?

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by transam

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

One of your helical coils will have a black spot. Genetic evidence from the earliest homo sapien found in England showed that the male had black skin and blue eyes, blue eyes have been traced back to an early ancestor who lived in what is now Spain so you may be/probably are, a dago, kraut mixture who has his beginnings in Africa.

Aren't we going way off topic now?

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

One of your helical coils will have a black spot. Genetic evidence from the earliest homo sapien found in England showed that the male had black skin and blue eyes, blue eyes have been traced back to an early ancestor who lived in what is now Spain so you may be/probably are, a dago, kraut mixture who has his beginnings in Africa.

Really, now can you please get back on topic, I am not interested in you being a black bloke with blue eyes, a late German bloke might be though.....????...

8 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

dago, kraut

Seriously?

 

SORRY.....this not a quote from 2530Ubon.......How do I delete a whole post?

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by Surelynot

Just now, transam said:

"We", being my country, plus I have never been in a spaceship, have you...?

Are you calling Captain Tom an alien? Do you think the heroic effort of this elderly gentleman on behalf of a pandemic stricken UK is not possible for a human Englishman? 

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you being paid to advertise your Germany...?

The read is about Brexit, not where you deported yourself too.......????

I mentioned Germany once to state a fact. Germany isn't mine, it was there before me and will be there when I'm gone although I have given it my genetic stamp with a German daughter and German granddaughter (no they don't have British passports and my son in Thailand has only a Thai ID)

9 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

but a good Blue Cheese in Germany was quite rare.

 Bergader Edelpilzkäse.

3 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Aren't we going way off topic now?

Yes but it has its amusing side though, I will stop now and no longer present Transam with facts.

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

 Bergader Edelpilzkäse.

Yes....used to buy it regularly in the Jibi, but then they stopped selling it????

Game Over Boris, you lost, surrendered, and we won ????

 

Vive le EU !!!

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

One of your helical coils will have a black spot. Genetic evidence from the earliest homo sapien found in England showed that the male had black skin and blue eyes, blue eyes have been traced back to an early ancestor who lived in what is now Spain so you may be/probably are, a dago, kraut mixture who has his beginnings in Africa.

 

Oh dear. Can't believe this lasted 3 hours+

20 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

 

it is true that they are pleasant, all these small villages, all these boroughs these hamlets these localities, these cities, with their strong castles, their temples and their beaches they have only one weak point, that of be inhabited.

To be inhabited by people who look at others with contempt from the top of ramparts, the race of chauvinists, cockade bearers, happy fools who were born somewhere...

Georges Brassens, French poet

 

 

But they don't do the Goose-step, as your avatar indicates you may do.....????

Should be an interesting day.  Johnson has now dropped his threat to renege on the withdrawal agreement (the footsie responded by rapidly rising) and he will be heading off for dinner with Ursula later this afternoon.  The EU are holding their line as they always have and Boris is clearly between a rock and a hard place.

 

No longer is he threatening to walk away with no deal, on the contrary, his desperation for a deal is only too obvious.  Let's see if he can get one.

5 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Should be an interesting day.  Johnson has now dropped his threat to renege on the withdrawal agreement (the footsie responded by rapidly rising) and he will be heading off for dinner with Ursula later this afternoon.  The EU are holding their line as they always have and Boris is clearly between a rock and a hard place.

 

No longer is he threatening to walk away with no deal, on the contrary, his desperation for a deal is only too obvious.  Let's see if he can get one.

Inspirational...........................????

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Inspirational...........................????

Pleased you liked it.  Not long to wait now 

3 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Should be an interesting day.  Johnson has now dropped his threat to renege on the withdrawal agreement (the footsie responded by rapidly rising) and he will be heading off for dinner with Ursula later this afternoon.  The EU are holding their line as they always have and Boris is clearly between a rock and a hard place.

 

No longer is he threatening to walk away with no deal, on the contrary, his desperation for a deal is only too obvious.  Let's see if he can get one.

Any agreement at this late stage will, most likely, be incomplete. Like it or not, we are probably going to be discussing EU-UK issues for the remainder of this UK parliamentary term. Still, something will be better than nothing.

 

The sad thing is that successive Tory administrations have completely boggered up these negotiations. May had no idea what she wanted, and even less idea how to get it. Her only strategy was to try to drive a wedge between the EU member states and, when that didn't happen, she had no 'Plan B'.

 

Johnson knew what he wanted - unfettered access to the Single Market - but refused (refuses?) to accept that this comes with conditions. Like May, he has no 'Plan B' - or for that matter, a Plan "A' - and is now reduced to going to Brussels 'cap in hand' in an attempt to salvage something.

21 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

How on earth did the UK cope before the EU.

Yes business did cope, but take it from one that did it, it was far from easy for smaller business that had no export department.

Customs declarations, product categories, certificates of origin, all a bit of a minefield. Many will not put up with "coping" the way we had to.

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Incorrect. Even the notoriously Pro EU Sky news have acknowledged how this went down. Previously the EU were threatening to classify everything between the UK and NI as "at risk", this is where all the issues started that led to the IMB to safeguard against such a ludicrous EU position.

 

Not so now. Well played Boris, well played.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-to-ditch-internal-market-bill-clauses-after-reaching-agreement-in-principle-on-northern-ireland-protocol-12155176

 

Feel free to see it any way you want, but facts are facts.

 

A “grace period” to exempt supermarkets supplying food from Britain from £200-per-product export health certificates will last only three months, the Cabinet Office minister also admitted.

And an agreement to allow imports of chilled meat – so “British sausages will continue to make their way to Belfast and Ballymena”, Mr Gove vowed – will run out after six months.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-eu-northern-ireland-ports-b1768657.html

 

 

Times have changed and developed. You can't equally compare the times then to now with technology and logistics.

 

We will see won't wee what will happen. In te current EU demands i would like us to walk away. I have a feeling a deal will be done.

 

Then finally all the ranting and speculation form posters can stop. No doubt to a new rant.

 

I still have not had one poster who is a remainer give me a reason and justification for Ted Heath lying so callously and cheating the public into joining the EEC. Will you justify it or pass it off as its too late.

Edited December 10, 20205 yr by Laughing Gravy

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

I still have not had one poster who is a remainer give me a reason and justification for Ted Heath lying so callously and cheating the public into joining the EEC. Will you justify it or pass it off as its too late.

I doubt that there are many here who can remember that clearly what was said during that campaign. 

 

Anyway, isn't it a matter of opinion? This article suggests that Heath didn't lie:

http://infacts.org/mythbusts/voters-werent-conned-1975-referendum/

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I still have not had one poster who is a remainer give me a reason and justification for Ted Heath lying so callously and cheating the public into joining the EEC.

That is because you are talking garbage.

The UK government tried to first join the EC in 1961, then again in 1967, and it was a decision taken by the Heath government in 1972 that succeeded. The public had nothing to do with it, so how on earth were they cheated into joining the EC. The future path of the EC was documented in Dec 69 by the heads of state so all those that voted in 1972 were well aware of where it was going.

 

In 1975 the public were asked if they wished to remain in the EEC, and the result was far from borderline. Every MP in the land had the opportunity to say how the EC intended to progress in the future. The public may not have been as well informed as they should have been but they certainly weren't bombarded with fake news. Bear in mind, in 1975 there wasn't the same facilities available to distribute and distort information as was used in 2016.

You are quite entitled to think it was the wrong decision, just as I am entitled to think that leaving the EU was the wrong decision.

 

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I still have not had one poster who is a remainer give me a reason and justification for Ted Heath lying so callously and cheating the public into joining the EEC.

Hello...he was a Tory: