4 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thailand reports biggest coronavirus surge, over 500 cases 

I'm sure they have dropped a few zeros off the number as it seems to be there habit. Just look at the TAT numbers they are always adding zeros to their numbers.????

The government has failed the Thai people. They have no vaccine. They figured they had everything under control. Now this big outbreak.   This also will mean tourism is over for the high season.  Who is coming here when they hear about the outbreak.  They should had the vaccine by now.

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

 

 

Then of course, there's India.

 

India's rates have fallen lower than most European countries . When you factor in the size of their population (over a billion) they have barely any corona at all.

 

Before anyone chimes in with 'they aren't testing' - THEY ARE. They are testing on a huge scale. Hospitalisations are low too. 

32 minutes ago, Mango Bob said:

The government has failed the Thai people. They have no vaccine. They figured they had everything under control. Now this big outbreak.   This also will mean tourism is over for the high season.  Who is coming here when they hear about the outbreak.  They should had the vaccine by now.

 

Steady on - by sheer luck and a few sensible precauations they have by and large controlled the virus. People in Thailand have been living in relative bliss these past few months compared to European states and Americas. 

Somebody dropped the Covid ball big time while resting on their laurels thinking that they got this thing beat, and to thing that i'm buying seafood products at my local market not knowing who handled it...

Edited December 19, 20205 yr by ezzra

It's likely that it's always been floating around at such a low level that most people didn't even know that they were infected. Mass testing just throws up lots of meaningless cases unless clinical diagnosis is made, which the WHO recommended again on the 14th after a positive PCR test. This outbreak as such will mean that Thailand will follow other countries in pointless lockdowns and restrictions with cases to be found, it's an endless cycle that will lead to economic collapse.

7 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's likely that it's always been floating around at such a low level that most people didn't even know that they were infected. Mass testing just throws up lots of meaningless cases unless clinical diagnosis is made, which the WHO recommended again on the 14th after a positive PCR test. This outbreak as such will mean that Thailand will follow other countries in pointless lockdowns and restrictions with cases to be found, it's an endless cycle that will lead to economic collapse.

Spot on

6 hours ago, bermondburi said:

What a surprise. They actually did some testing and they found some cases. 

Well as the POTUS said, test more find more>> cease testing was that his strategy?

 

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

Well as the POTUS said, test more find more>> cease testing was that his strategy?

 

Exactly, he has been generally correct about this virus and I think agenda is quite clear what's going on, all things green.

21 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's likely that it's always been floating around at such a low level that most people didn't even know that they were infected. Mass testing just throws up lots of meaningless cases unless clinical diagnosis is made, which the WHO recommended again on the 14th after a positive PCR test. This outbreak as such will mean that Thailand will follow other countries in pointless lockdowns and restrictions with cases to be found, it's an endless cycle that will lead to economic collapse.

 

Can a virus as contageous as this one really be around in 'low levels'? It's a theory that isn't really tested.

 

Hospitalisations in Thailand for covid have been null (other than those going through quarantine) - which is a key indicator they did have it under control.  

Did we miss the most important figure? 50% of those tested were positive? That is huge, and only goes to show what many have been saying, that Thailands low positive covid figures are just down to a lack of serious testing.

Also most of those testing positive are asymptomatic so they could have been spreading it for weeks already, obviously there are mechanisms at work in Thailand that have not lead to a surge in hospitalisations, or the media would have hopefully picked up on it.

 

Still no reason to go full panic mode yet

 

1 minute ago, AmySeeker said:

 

Can a virus as contageous as this one really be around in 'low levels'? It's a theory that isn't really tested.

 

Hospitalisations in Thailand for covid have been null (other than those going through quarantine) - which is a key indicator they did have it under control.  

There are many things that doesn't make sense with the pandemic, I've always found it hard to believe that there was no cases in Thailand when Myanmar and Malaysia average 1000 per day. I've been back in the UK since the end of March, where I live is suppose to be in an area where it's spreading 50% faster than anywhere else, but no one knows anyone with any symptoms. I've just been to the local big supermarket and I asked a shop worker I know there is no one off sick in the shop. My area was one of the lowest and once mobile testing centres started to turn up the cases massively increased and now one town is the worst in the UK for "cases". Hardly anyone is mixing, all bars and restuarants are closed, but it's spreading out of control and now locked down for 18 million people just before Christmas. It's economic suicide.

6 hours ago, Olivie said:

Wow it seems when Thailand test people, SURPRISINGLY they find cases.
They should have stuck to their strategy: no test, no case...

As I have been saying for quite awhile test and they will find. Yes many asymptomatics as I have been saying walk amongst us.  Those who were always making the comment of where are the bodies, where are the full hospitals if Thailand has Covid-19 can now shut there pieholes.  I have always said that not everyone who has covid is in a hospital, well not up until they start to place all asymptomatic cases in an isolation hospital now that is.  Will they now allow home quarantine for an asymptomatic case and do mobile testing or will they force all into a hospital which will then overload the system here if they continue mass testing on the population.

 

If there are now cases popping up in Bangkok I fear lockdowns will arrive and the holidays will be written off.

Edited December 19, 20205 yr by ThailandRyan

7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

"While there is a likelihood of finding more infections in crowded foreign communities

pesky pesky foreigners, those  poor  Thais

50 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Exactly, he has been generally correct about this virus and I think agenda is quite clear what's going on, all things green.

He was correct about it was firstly a hoax, then it will disappear by April?

was he also correct about over 300,000 dead?
Just flu?

correct about all those things?

Edited December 19, 20205 yr by RJRS1301

7 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

No need to panic too much, though. Thailand is in a lucky situation due to its climate.

Myanmar, India.....cold?

Welcome to the world Thailand .

Is it bad , nobody knows . Some countries have for the amounts of positive test much larger hospital admissions , while the country next has got about the same infection ratio or even higher with less "sick" people . This is something yet unknown on how or what or why ( bloodtype is known already , and so is vitamin D ) . So will Thailand have a problem or not , that is totally a mystery .

What i can tell is with 50% of the tested being confirmed positive , there are a lot more which they did not find , and in the case of +500 of 1100 , i'd say that it is spreading as i'm typing now.  Forget the travelling , is wasn't happening soon , and there is light in the end of the tunnel showing . In 6 months the world should look a lot brighter then today .

7 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

Interesting to see these results, now as the land of purity Thailand eventually is starting to do some mass testing.

 

No need to panic too much, though. Thailand is in a lucky situation due to its climate. Thanks to the hot climate, people are either outdoors where the concentration of the virus loaded aerosols is low, as the dwell time of droplets and aerosols in the air is short.

 

Or they are indoors with an AC switched on, and the AC reduces aerosols and droplets in the air as well, leading also to low virus concentrations in the inhaled air. This low virus load statistically leads to mostly weak or asymptomatic cases. 

 

The outcome never will reach the level as northern countries experience during the wet and cold winter there.

 

Quite likely that what they are seeing now has been the situation for quite a while already, but due to not testing nobody saw it.

 

Myanmar, India, and Brazil strongly disagree with your statement. 

2 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

India's rates have fallen lower than most European countries . When you factor in the size of their population (over a billion) they have barely any corona at all.

Possibly. I haven't looked at any figures but that isn't really the point. The virus clearly does spread in hot countries.

So let us surmise that 1 week ago was a 4 door holiday weekend.  Let us say that many people may have traveled from wherever in Thailand to Samut Sakhon and enjoyed a 4 day holiday as well as bringing back seafood for themselves and their friends.  Then lets say that because of Covid having a 5 day possible incubation period that the 1st case in Samut Sakhon was found on Friday, 5 days after the last domestic traveler returned to their home province, and was the possible infected person who infected the Prawn Market lady.  Let us just say that over that long holiday weekend more people were infected and then traveled onward and spreading the infection as they went and then add in the incubation period, whether or not they became asymptomatic or showed minor symptoms.  If you want to believe the Thai Governments narrative then this is what they will be saying and they will be blaming the foreign workers for spreading it.  When in reality it has been here all along as I have stated and some people when it is finally transmitted to them have worsening symptoms while the majority do not and choose to self medicate like it was a common cold, an allergy such as hay fever, or even a chest cold.  After all this is the time of the year for allergies and I have heard and observed many heavy coughers on BTS, MRT, in the malls, and crowded shopping areas like Chatuchak, Huai Kwang, and then even China town, with many in the crowded open air areas of the small Soi's where many merchants are not wearing masks.  Keep safe folks, it is amongst us, but do we need to be hospitalized if we are just asymptomatic or have cold like symptoms?, well the government would like it as it will drive money into the hospitals and pockets of the government.  

6 hours ago, asiacurious said:

 

Which truths were they not telling before?

They must have started free testing 

2 minutes ago, Mywayboy said:

They must have started free testing 

Who Thailand? Free testing? if you are talking about the Samut Sakhon cluster then they are testing out of necessity and nothing more.

People need to put this story into context. The numbers are being uncovered due to contact tracing not recently introduced mass testing of the population. There has been a chain of tracing migrant workers from a cluster in Bangkok to Samut Sahkon. Most of the cases are literally in one apartment block where migrant workers live.

To a certain extent, migrant workers are a closed group, they all live, eat, sleep in an apartment complex and all work across the road in the seafood processing factory.

This is an outbreak and can literally be traced back to other clusters and imported from Myamar. Its not proof positive that Thailand has been hiding cases and actual numbers etc.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So let us surmise that 1 week ago was a 4 door holiday weekend.  Let us say that many people may have traveled from wherever in Thailand to Samut Sakhon and enjoyed a 4 day holiday as well as bringing back seafood for themselves and their friends.  Then lets say that because of Covid having a 5 day possible incubation period that the 1st case in Samut Sakhon was found on Friday, 5 days after the last domestic traveler returned to their home province, and was the possible infected person who infected the Prawn Market lady.  Let us just say that over that long holiday weekend more people were infected and then traveled onward and spreading the infection as they went and then add in the incubation period, whether or not they became asymptomatic or showed minor symptoms.  If you want to believe the Thai Governments narrative then this is what they will be saying and they will be blaming the foreign workers for spreading it.  When in reality it has been here all along as I have stated and some people when it is finally transmitted to them have worsening symptoms while the majority do not and choose to self medicate like it was a common cold, an allergy such as hay fever, or even a chest cold.  After all this is the time of the year for allergies and I have heard and observed many heavy coughers on BTS, MRT, in the malls, and crowded shopping areas like Chatuchak, Huai Kwang, and then even China town, with many in the crowded open air areas of the small Soi's where many merchants are not wearing masks.  Keep safe folks, it is amongst us, but do we need to be hospitalized if we are just asymptomatic or have cold like symptoms?, well the government would like it as it will drive money into the hospitals and pockets of the government.  

I would expect nothing less from the Thai government than to blame foreigners for the “new spread” of a virus that was here all along.

 

Their testing numbers are public and have been very low, with virtually no random testing. 

5 hours ago, Elkski said:

Molecules we smell are gigantic HC chains not a single cell .2 micron  covid19.

The virus itself is a tiny .2 micron...but it has to "piggyback" on larger aerosols and droplet particles expelled from the respiratory system that are floating in the air; the virus itself doesn’t have wings. The masks have to filter out these larger particles in order to prevent virus infection. I agree properly wearing a quality mask is the key.

5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

People need to put this story into context. The numbers are being uncovered due to contact tracing not recently introduced mass testing of the population. There has been a chain of tracing migrant workers from a cluster in Bangkok to Samut Sahkon. Most of the cases are literally in one apartment block where migrant workers live.

To a certain extent, migrant workers are a closed group, they all live, eat, sleep in an apartment complex and all work across the road in the seafood processing factory.

This is an outbreak and can literally be traced back to other clusters and imported from Myamar. Its not proof positive that Thailand has been hiding cases and actual numbers etc.

 

 

 

to put it in context is to say that Covid has always been here, but not at the levels the Government reports, how is that for you.  Don't drink the punch and believe the mantra.  Migrant workers also travel from site to site and do not just stay in their primary locations.  You need to think outside of the box.  Many arrive at work sites after being driven in vehicles or even walking many KM's like they do here in Bangkok.

7 hours ago, pegman said:

This situation is in greater Bangkok. Have you ever been on the MRT during rush times? This could easily get out of control quickly. 

Migrant workers and others in the shrimp industry rarely if ever use the MRT or BTS...not worried...ride everyday

4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

I sincerely hope you're correct. However, that point was speculated on earlier in the pandemic - then Brazil happened. Brazil is a hot country with temperatures comparable with Thailand.

 

Brazil yesterday: 52,385 new infections/811 new deaths/ 185,687 deaths in total.

 

www.worldometers.com

 

Then of course, there's India.

I believe the population density and incidence of poverty is much higher in ???????? than ????????, especially in the slums and favelas of Manaus, where Brazil's outbreak has been been centered.

8 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

Interesting to see these results, now as the land of purity Thailand eventually is starting to do some mass testing.

 

No need to panic too much, though. Thailand is in a lucky situation due to its climate. Thanks to the hot climate, people are either outdoors where the concentration of the virus loaded aerosols is low, as the dwell time of droplets and aerosols in the air is short.

 

Or they are indoors with an AC switched on, and the AC reduces aerosols and droplets in the air as well, leading also to low virus concentrations in the inhaled air. This low virus load statistically leads to mostly weak or asymptomatic cases. 

 

The outcome never will reach the level as northern countries experience during the wet and cold winter there.

 

Quite likely that what they are seeing now has been the situation for quite a while already, but due to not testing nobody saw it.

 

I guess Myanmar have a different climate to Thailand 

26 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

People need to put this story into context. The numbers are being uncovered due to contact tracing not recently introduced mass testing of the population. There has been a chain of tracing migrant workers from a cluster in Bangkok to Samut Sahkon. Most of the cases are literally in one apartment block where migrant workers live.

To a certain extent, migrant workers are a closed group, they all live, eat, sleep in an apartment complex and all work across the road in the seafood processing factory.

This is an outbreak and can literally be traced back to other clusters and imported from Myamar. Its not proof positive that Thailand has been hiding cases and actual numbers etc.

 

 

 

Similar to the migrant worker outbreak in Singapore at the start of the epidemic...they were locked down and there wasn't a more generalized spread to the general population.