2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

If a mugger offers to give you back a small amount of the money he took you'd refuse...that's very woke of you.

Did you make a police report on the govt? Or did you aide and abet.

Numerous posts have been removed for being off-topic, trolling, bickering, misinformation and replies to all of the above.

 

The topic of this thread is:

 

Millions of Americans lose jobless benefits as Trump refuses to sign aid bill

 

9 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...just getting back a small bit of the money it's taken from me under the threat of imprisonment. You do understand that every dollar the Federal government possesses was taken from its citizens?

Well it sure as hell wasn't taken from your beloved POTUS !

Just now, joecoolfrog said:

Well it sure as hell wasn't taken from your beloved POTUS !

If he truly does owe 100 million in taxes, he should pay up.  Not fair for all the others who pay taxes.  Fair is fair.

On 12/26/2020 at 12:35 PM, rooster59 said:

Millions of Americans lose jobless benefits as Trump refuses to sign aid bill

This is a typical example of biased media reporting.  They tie the losing jobless benefits to Trump not wanting to sign the bill.  They ignore the fact that he asked them to increase the benefit going to U.S.A. taxpayers from $600 to $2,000 and to remove the pork from the bill.  One of the really awful things about how the USA passes bills is that Congress can pass a bill for a cause that is popular and then pin totally unrelated spending and pet projects to it forcing congress to either pass it with the wasteful spending projects attached or reject the bill in its entirety.  Here are just a few of the examples of the spending included in what was labeled as a Stimulus Bill. 

he nonprofit government watchdog OpenTheBooks.com said, “Christmas came early for Washington,” and listed “just a few examples of taxpayer abuse” in the bill, including:

• $10 million for "gender programs" in Pakistan

• $40 million for the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts;

 

 

• $10 billion to loan forgiveness to the United States Post Office;

• $14 billion for mass transit programs, $10 billion for state highways, and $1 billion for Amtrak;

• $15 billion for live entertainment venues, cultural institutions, and independent movie theaters; and

 

• $82 billion to K-12 schools and $23 billion to colleges and universities.

Now whether those are worthwhile is subject to everyone's opinion however they certainly are not part of a "stimulus" and should be voted on based on their own merit. 

 

 

 

https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Critics-Stimulus-package-full-of-wasteful-spending-on-programs-unrelated-to-coronavirus/4/22/63485

If the headline read, Donald Trump demands congress eliminate wasteful spending in the stimulus package in order to provide funds to increase direct checks from $600 to $2000 it would give an entirely different impression than the headline that jobless benefits were running out and Donald Trump refuses to sign aid bill.  Calling a bill an aid bill, stimulus package, or relief is just namesmithing.  The important part is where the spending is going not what the bill is called. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55420366
 

6 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

This is a typical example of biased media reporting.  They tie the losing jobless benefits to Trump not wanting to sign the bill.  They ignore the fact that he asked them to increase the benefit going to U.S.A. taxpayers from $600 to $2,000 and to remove the pork from the bill.  One of the really awful things about how the USA passes bills is that Congress can pass a bill for a cause that is popular and then pin totally unrelated spending and pet projects to it forcing congress to either pass it with the wasteful spending projects attached or reject the bill in its entirety.  Here are just a few of the examples of the spending included in what was labeled as a Stimulus Bill. 

he nonprofit government watchdog OpenTheBooks.com said, “Christmas came early for Washington,” and listed “just a few examples of taxpayer abuse” in the bill, including:

• $10 million for "gender programs" in Pakistan

• $40 million for the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts;

 

 

• $10 billion to loan forgiveness to the United States Post Office;

• $14 billion for mass transit programs, $10 billion for state highways, and $1 billion for Amtrak;

• $15 billion for live entertainment venues, cultural institutions, and independent movie theaters; and

 

• $82 billion to K-12 schools and $23 billion to colleges and universities.

Now whether those are worthwhile is subject to everyone's opinion however they certainly are not part of a "stimulus" and should be voted on based on their own merit. 

 

 

 

https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Critics-Stimulus-package-full-of-wasteful-spending-on-programs-unrelated-to-coronavirus/4/22/63485

If the headline read, Donald Trump demands congress eliminate wasteful spending in the stimulus package in order to provide funds to increase direct checks from $600 to $2000 it would give an entirely different impression than the headline that jobless benefits were running out and Donald Trump refuses to sign aid bill.  Calling a bill an aid bill, stimulus package, or relief is just namesmithing.  The important part is where the spending is going not what the bill is called. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55420366
 

And where was Trump when these negotiations with his agent Steve Mnuchin were ongoing? Mnuchin signed off on bill. You're going to have us believe that Mnuchin kept him in the dark?

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

And where was Trump when these negotiations with his agent Steve Mnuchin were ongoing? Mnuchin signed off on bill. You're going to have us believe that Mnuchin kept him in the dark?

Plus a big chunk of those porks came in at Trump's request.

Look, the chap has obviously had a road to Damascus conversion. You can imagine the score - blinding flash of lightning from the heavens, Trump falls of his horse ( well golf buggy), deep baritone voice from the cloud " Donald, Donald, sin no more, pick yourself up and follow my way..."

 

If it was good enough for Saint Paul, it is good enough for Donald Trump!

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2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

This is a typical example of biased media reporting.  They tie the losing jobless benefits to Trump not wanting to sign the bill.  They ignore the fact that he asked them to increase the benefit going to U.S.A. taxpayers from $600 to $2,000 and to remove the pork from the bill.  One of the really awful things about how the USA passes bills is that Congress can pass a bill for a cause that is popular and then pin totally unrelated spending and pet projects to it forcing congress to either pass it with the wasteful spending projects attached or reject the bill in its entirety.  Here are just a few of the examples of the spending included in what was labeled as a Stimulus Bill. 

he nonprofit government watchdog OpenTheBooks.com said, “Christmas came early for Washington,” and listed “just a few examples of taxpayer abuse” in the bill, including:

• $10 million for "gender programs" in Pakistan

• $40 million for the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts;

 

 

• $10 billion to loan forgiveness to the United States Post Office;

• $14 billion for mass transit programs, $10 billion for state highways, and $1 billion for Amtrak;

• $15 billion for live entertainment venues, cultural institutions, and independent movie theaters; and

 

• $82 billion to K-12 schools and $23 billion to colleges and universities.

Now whether those are worthwhile is subject to everyone's opinion however they certainly are not part of a "stimulus" and should be voted on based on their own merit. 

 

 

 

https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Critics-Stimulus-package-full-of-wasteful-spending-on-programs-unrelated-to-coronavirus/4/22/63485

If the headline read, Donald Trump demands congress eliminate wasteful spending in the stimulus package in order to provide funds to increase direct checks from $600 to $2000 it would give an entirely different impression than the headline that jobless benefits were running out and Donald Trump refuses to sign aid bill.  Calling a bill an aid bill, stimulus package, or relief is just namesmithing.  The important part is where the spending is going not what the bill is called. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55420366
 

These expenses are not part of the covid bill.

 

For practical reasons,  there are two bills in the same package: a covid relief bill and a regular omnibus bill. What you list is part of the omnibus bill which was voted at the same time as the covid relief bill.

 

Social media mixes up COVID relief, omnibus bills

"On Dec. 21, lawmakers in both chambers of Congress passed a $2.3 trillion spending package: a roughly $1.4 trillion omnibus spending bill — consisting of 12 different bills to fund the government during fiscal year 2021 — and a separate, approximately $900 billion bill specifically for COVID-19 relief. Lawmakers also passed several other smaller bills"

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/22/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-wrongly-say-covid-19-bill-includes-/

As for the $2000 check, it's the Republicans who reject it (you know, Trumps party)

Edited December 27, 20205 yr by candide

13 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...just getting back a small bit of the money it's taken from me under the threat of imprisonment. You do understand that every dollar the Federal government possesses was taken from its citizens?

No, no one should understand it because it's not true. If it were true, there would be no national debt.

15 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...just getting back a small bit of the money it's taken from me under the threat of imprisonment. You do understand that every dollar the Federal government possesses was taken from its citizens?

And that 'redistribution of wealth' is socialism, no matter how you cut it.   I always find it interesting how people like to change the definition of things when it suits them.

 

On 12/26/2020 at 12:07 PM, Bluespunk said:

I think you’re still over estimating him. 

Lets just tell the truth...Donald Trump is the worst president in American history...even his disciples on TV....they cant defend him anymore. MAGA has FAILED SPECTACULARLY and now millions are unemployed, no money, in debt, getting sick, filling up ICUs across the nation and hoping the POTUS will throw them a crumb from the crust of bread....while he literally plays golf. I want to know how any of you MAGAnese can actually defend this??? How is this making American great? Trump sucks and you SUCK for going along with it this long. 

Isn't the obvious solution amending one of these acts with a big tax cut for billionaires?  That should incentivize it enough for Trump to sign it. 

11 hours ago, Thomas J said:

This is a typical example of biased media reporting.  They tie the losing jobless benefits to Trump not wanting to sign the bill.  They ignore the fact that he asked them to increase the benefit going to U.S.A. taxpayers from $600 to $2,000 and to remove the pork from the bill.  One of the really awful things about how the USA passes bills is that Congress can pass a bill for a cause that is popular and then pin totally unrelated spending and pet projects to it forcing congress to either pass it with the wasteful spending projects attached or reject the bill in its entirety.  Here are just a few of the examples of the spending included in what was labeled as a Stimulus Bill. 

he nonprofit government watchdog OpenTheBooks.com said, “Christmas came early for Washington,” and listed “just a few examples of taxpayer abuse” in the bill, including:

• $10 million for "gender programs" in Pakistan

• $40 million for the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts;

 

 

• $10 billion to loan forgiveness to the United States Post Office;

• $14 billion for mass transit programs, $10 billion for state highways, and $1 billion for Amtrak;

• $15 billion for live entertainment venues, cultural institutions, and independent movie theaters; and

 

• $82 billion to K-12 schools and $23 billion to colleges and universities.

Now whether those are worthwhile is subject to everyone's opinion however they certainly are not part of a "stimulus" and should be voted on based on their own merit. 

 

 

 

https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Critics-Stimulus-package-full-of-wasteful-spending-on-programs-unrelated-to-coronavirus/4/22/63485

If the headline read, Donald Trump demands congress eliminate wasteful spending in the stimulus package in order to provide funds to increase direct checks from $600 to $2000 it would give an entirely different impression than the headline that jobless benefits were running out and Donald Trump refuses to sign aid bill.  Calling a bill an aid bill, stimulus package, or relief is just namesmithing.  The important part is where the spending is going not what the bill is called. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55420366
 

And he said and did nothing whilst the bill was put togeter, because ?

Millions of Americans lose jobless benefits as Trump refuses to sign aid bill

 

C'mon, stop it with this trivial stuff, can't you see he's trying to play golf?

 

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Republican Rep Says Pelosi Stuffed Bill With 'Pork,' Hindering GOP Support for $2,000 Checks

 

Republican Colorado Congressman Ken Buck claimed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi packed the COVID-19 relief bill with "pork," hampering GOP backing for $2,000 stimulus payments rather than $600.

"Nancy Pelosi gave the members of the House just a few hours to read six thousand pages of legislation, she did that because she had stuffed this bill full of pork," Buck said on Fox & Friends on Saturday.

The congressman noted the COVID relief bill included funding for two new women's history museums, social engineering programs in Pakistan, and a panel to examine a succession to the Dalai Lama.

 

Read more here:  https://www.newsweek.com/republican-rep-says-pelosi-stuffed-bill-pork-hindering-gop-support-2000-checks-1557432

11 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Republican Rep Says Pelosi Stuffed Bill With 'Pork,' Hindering GOP Support for $2,000 Checks

 

Republican Colorado Congressman Ken Buck claimed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi packed the COVID-19 relief bill with "pork," hampering GOP backing for $2,000 stimulus payments rather than $600.

"Nancy Pelosi gave the members of the House just a few hours to read six thousand pages of legislation, she did that because she had stuffed this bill full of pork," Buck said on Fox & Friends on Saturday.

The congressman noted the COVID relief bill included funding for two new women's history museums, social engineering programs in Pakistan, and a panel to examine a succession to the Dalai Lama.

 

Read more here:  https://www.newsweek.com/republican-rep-says-pelosi-stuffed-bill-pork-hindering-gop-support-2000-checks-1557432

The bill was passed by the house and the senate.  Blame this one on Trump, not Pelosi.  Sure, it was stuffed with 'Pork'.  Done so by both parties and is a common practice.  In the end, one person is holding this up.

 

Congress is broken and needs to be fixed.  Desperately.  Both parties are terrible.

 

32 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Republican Rep Says Pelosi Stuffed Bill With 'Pork,' Hindering GOP Support for $2,000 Checks

 

Republican Colorado Congressman Ken Buck claimed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi packed the COVID-19 relief bill with "pork," hampering GOP backing for $2,000 stimulus payments rather than $600.

"Nancy Pelosi gave the members of the House just a few hours to read six thousand pages of legislation, she did that because she had stuffed this bill full of pork," Buck said on Fox & Friends on Saturday.

The congressman noted the COVID relief bill included funding for two new women's history museums, social engineering programs in Pakistan, and a panel to examine a succession to the Dalai Lama.

 

Read more here:  https://www.newsweek.com/republican-rep-says-pelosi-stuffed-bill-pork-hindering-gop-support-2000-checks-1557432

Much more believable is the fact that Peter King, a Republican and staunch supporter of Trump, says those foreign aid items came from the White House. 

Trump doubles down $2,000 coronavirus check demand | Fox News

And then there's this:

White House secures ‘three martini lunch’ tax deduction in draft of coronavirus relief package
President Trump has long seized on the tax break as a way to revive the restaurant industry. But economists have panned it as ineffective and largely benefiting the wealthy.

Tax break for corporate meal expenses inserted into coronavirus aid package - The Washington Post

1 hour ago, metisdead said:

Republican Rep Says Pelosi Stuffed Bill With 'Pork,' Hindering GOP Support for $2,000 Checks

 

Republican Colorado Congressman Ken Buck claimed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi packed the COVID-19 relief bill with "pork," hampering GOP backing for $2,000 stimulus payments rather than $600.

"Nancy Pelosi gave the members of the House just a few hours to read six thousand pages of legislation, she did that because she had stuffed this bill full of pork," Buck said on Fox & Friends on Saturday.

The congressman noted the COVID relief bill included funding for two new women's history museums, social engineering programs in Pakistan, and a panel to examine a succession to the Dalai Lama.

 

Read more here:  https://www.newsweek.com/republican-rep-says-pelosi-stuffed-bill-pork-hindering-gop-support-2000-checks-1557432

 

Most of the so called 'pork' programs, including funding for women's rights efforts in Pakistan which trump objects to had funding allocated in trump's 2021 budget. For months trump had briefings from Mnuchin yet did nothing. trump has yet again left a member of his team deeply compromised and embarrassed for attempted political self gain with his base.

Edited December 28, 20205 yr by simple1

On 12/26/2020 at 7:15 PM, placeholder said:

You're confusing exchange rates with inflation.

Maybe, But while the official inflation rate has not gone up much the cost of things in the USA is rising fast! The cost of housing and about everything relating to housing is going up like crazy! I'm in that business there. The exchange rate has dropped a lot in the last few years and looks like it will continue to to so? With the huge deficit spending in the USA I expect it to continue.

13 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Look, the chap has obviously had a road to Damascus conversion. You can imagine the score - blinding flash of lightning from the heavens, Trump falls of his horse ( well golf buggy), deep baritone voice from the cloud " Donald, Donald, sin no more, pick yourself up and follow my way..."

 

If it was good enough for Saint Paul, it is good enough for Donald Trump!

And not one word of what you posted is based in reality.

 

11 minutes ago, J Town said:

And not one word of what you posted is based in reality.

I think that was the point.

9 minutes ago, J Town said:

And not one word of what you posted is based in reality.

 

if trump tweeted an alleged divine revelation you can bet millions of his followers would be praising him as the son of god, the anointed one blah, blah...

On 12/26/2020 at 8:55 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

As the government isn't going away tomorrow, if it's handing out money I'd prefer $2000 to $600. 

So sorry for your loss.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So sorry for your loss.

Trump signed it. His supporters will now say they agreed with him signing it, a cunning plan.

27 minutes ago, J Town said:

And not one word of what you posted is based in reality.

Well you know the account I posted wasn't really meant to be based on reality, whethe or not one believes the account of the conversion of Saul!

 

Perhaps one could agree that it is entirely detached from reality, somewhat like the present incumbent of the office of President of The United States?

Just now, herfiehandbag said:

Well you know the account I posted wasn't really meant to be based on reality, whethe or not one believes the account of the conversion of Saul!

 

Perhaps one could agree that it is entirely detached from reality, somewhat like the present incumbent of the office of President of The United States?

You just said what I did but with a whole lot more words! ????

5 minutes ago, J Town said:

You just said what I did but with a whole lot more words! ????

Yes????

Please continue:

 

Trump signs pandemic aid and spending bill, averting government shutdown

 

Full story: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1198635-us-government-heads-toward-chaotic-end-to-2020-as-trump-fights-congress/?do=findComment&comment=16116890

 

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