2 hours ago, JoePai said:

What a stupid article, 3 years is a millennium in politics, heck lets over this Covid thing first before worrying who will get into number 10 next

Whoever said a week is a long time in politics was guilty of excessive optimism.

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Yes, its the Guardian, they oppose Brexit, oppose Boris, oppose the UK Government .

Of course they are going to write biased stories .

Its a left wing newspaper , read by left wingers who want to read stories that match their beliefs .

 

The Daily Telegraph is a conservative centre-right ( for some, right wing ) newspaper.

 

Many believe it write biased stories, read by right wingers who want to read stories that match their beliefs.

 

However both newspapers contain very interesting articles,  to fully appreciate them, one has to read them without a prejudiced approach.

11 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

    Yes, but that is expected when we deal with the E.U.

Of course we have to meet E.U standards when we deal with E.U Countries 

You made it sound like the UK is changing its internal laws to meet E.U standards .

Like, the UK can pass anti covid vaccinations using our own standards, we dont need to wait for the E.Us approval

The early use of the vaccine was compatible with EU regulations and was done while the UK was still following them.

It’s hardly surprising Johnson has fallen in the opinion polls:

 

Incompetence.

Lies.

U-Turns.

Obvious Corruption in his administration 

His failed ‘herd immunity’ experiment.

His appalling performance in the Brexit negotiations.

And his one act ‘old school/Greek/Latin and all that’ show was bound to wear thin.

 

They say there is nothing more irrelevant than a defeated President, we’ll perhaps there is, a poor man’s imitator of a defeated President.

 

Johnson won’t stand as PM at the next election, the Tories will oust him before that comes around.

 

 

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

UK PM Johnson could lose his seat at next election

Where is he going to sit then?

29 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Who are these "people on the forum" you keep talking about ?

I cannot speak on behalf of them 

Chomper Higgot knows them too. If you had followed the Brexit topics better you would know too. As you seem to accept it does not concern you. 

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Chomper Higgot knows them too. If you had followed the Brexit topics better you would know too. As you seem to accept it does not concern you. 

 

  I probably know who they are as well then 

So there we have it, Brexit is over but most Remainers aka Rejoiners can only talk about brickbats and butt hurt instead of pondering why Johnson's political future may be open to question. On the other side of the tent, we have the No-dealers who somehow feel more betrayed and aggrieved than the other lot. Meanwhile, the vast majority of sane and moderate Leavers are probably still celebrating (while remaining within the safe social distancing rules).

 

"There's nowt queerer than fowk" as granny would say.

 

 

I read the Times online, and had read the article this morning. I must say I’m not really sure what purpose is served by conducting a poll trying to predict the result of a general election that is almost 3½ years away.

 

That notwithstanding, I have a couple of issues with the REUTERS report posted here. Firstly, the report says “This is the first detailed survey of the public's perception of Johnson's handling of the recently concluded Brexit talks” this is incorrect, because the poll was conducted between the 4th and 29th December, before the Brexit deal had been agreed, and the UK was teetering on the brink of a no deal scenario; so, very misleading.

 

Secondly, although the report states that is was a MRP poll (multilevel regression and post-stratification) it fails to explain what that is, for those, like myself, that had never heard of it.

 

The MRP poll is apparently a process that is a statistical method that produces predictions based on small geographic areas, analysing elements of a person’s lifestyle and background to generate probabilities about their voting habits.

 

Most traditional polls have proven to be fatally flawed over the last 5 years, with all the Brexit polls a good example of that, and at least I now know what a MPR poll is now

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

So there we have it, Brexit is over but most Remainers aka Rejoiners can only talk about brickbats and butt hurt instead of pondering why Johnson's political future may be open to question. On the other side of the tent, we have the No-dealers who somehow feel more betrayed and aggrieved than the other lot. Meanwhile, the vast majority of sane and moderate Leavers are probably still celebrating (while remaining within the safe social distancing rules).

 

"There's nowt queerer than fowk" as granny would say.

 

   I do recall that "people on the forum" had the opinion that they would prefer to have no deal, rather than a bad deal that favoured the E.U .

   Rather than straight forward not wanting a deal 

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

That notwithstanding, I have a couple of issues with the REUTERS report posted here. Firstly, the report says “This is the first detailed survey of the public's perception of Johnson's handling of the recently concluded Brexit talks” this is incorrect, because the poll was conducted between the 4th and 29th December, before the Brexit deal had been agreed, and the UK was teetering on the brink of a no deal scenario; so, very misleading.

 

I may be nit-picking here but I am pretty sure when I woke up on Christmas Morning, the long-awaited EU–UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) was already in my Christmas stocking albeit a draft copy but to all intents and purposes, the real deal.

3 hours ago, transam said:

Winston Churchill did his job and then lost out, Boris has done his job and the same could happen.

Will have to wait and see.....????

don't think any current leaders will survive after the COVID disaster, they are all going to lose in the next election

 

doesn't matter how good a leader is, the populace is going to ask for a reset and a change of guard just to forget COVID

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

don't think any current leaders will survive after the COVID disaster, they are all going to lose in the next election

 

doesn't matter how good a leader is, the populace is going to ask for a reset and a change of guard just to forget COVID

A huge number of UK folk took, and are still taking no notice of C19 advice, don't shift blame ...

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Whoever said a week is a long time in politics was guilty of excessive optimism.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_week_is_a_long_time_in_politics

 

Usually attributed to British Prime Minister Harold Wilson in the mid-1960s. Also used by (and incorrectly attributed to) Australian PM Gough Whitlam in the 1970s.

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You haven't followed anything, have you...But that's OK, all input is welcome to be read....

 

Many have followed the negotiations saga.

 

The evaluation of the results are however different ( in no way absolutely right or wrong ) from one individual to another.

 

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Many have followed the negotiations saga.

 

The evaluation of the results are however different ( in no way absolutely right or wrong ) from one individual to another.

 

......or what Newspaper you read (or not)

????

11 minutes ago, transam said:

You haven't followed anything, have you...But that's OK, all input is welcome to be read....

I have followed the news, and as predicted, he surrendered ????

 

Boris is the EU best negotiator ????

 

btw, Boris dad is asking for French citizenship, no joke, saw this on TV, probably a publicly stunt to embarrass his son ????

24 minutes ago, robblok said:

It only concerns me so far that I was right that the Eu would not bend on this topic and they were sure BJ would not either. In the end its just about knowing who was right and who was not. Now that the result is there its easy to see who was right. 

 

The people who said that the UK would have to follow EU standards to have access were right. The others were wrong.

 

As a non Brit it concerns me as I am from an EU country the other party in the negotiations.

 

I wonder why you think that the other side in a negotiation has nothing to say but Brits do. 

So the EU did not bend......................

I did warn you about reading The Guardian.......

 

I think it is time for you to realise that Brexit and the negotiations for the deal are now over. Whether you think you were right or wrong is history. Well it is for me, but I will keep on chatting.....

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is on course to lose his own seat

 

So how many of the 22,000 surveyed actually live in Uxbridge then?

 

I think the poll was taken at a ridiculous time to carry any weight when it has been taken in the midst of a pandemic and the country in disarray facing a multitude of problems all at once. We, the public, have been subjected to a daily dose of doom and gloom of the so called effects of a no deal Brexit by a media that has tried its level best to change the result of a referendum.

 

Same with the EU gloaters on here continuously forecasting a catastrophe for the UK, Britain has ' made its bed, let them lie on it '  why can't they shut up about it?

 

Please change the record and get back to telling the Thai government to ' weaken the baht ' so they can drink beer at 20 baht a bottle again, like they did in the good old days, because nobody is listening to them or their ' tunnel visioned views on life ' in any event.

 

The British people made a choice and now are stuck with that choice for the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

However, the UK will survive, whatever it takes. It has chosen its own path.Parliament will have the final say not the ECJ, our borders are now our own, Immigration will be decided on a points system as it is in many developed countries, based on the needs of the UK and to encourage people who will benefit themselves and the UK as a nation. Also, people will not be able to simply relocate to the UK with a brood of children simply because they will get a house, furniture, access to free healthcare, and tap into the benefits system whilst contributing nothing to the economy as many have done in the past.

 

If we lose out, we lose out, it isn't a concern for the Europhiles, who seem to be happy being shepherded by unelected, elitist, bureaucrats in Brussels that cannot be removed easily. Britain has chosen a different future.

 

By the way, contrary to some views being banded about, Boris Johnson did actually say he had given way on a number of issues to get the deal over the line, he still achieved for all the criticisms, a deal with the EU that everybody said could not be done.

Just now, Kadilo said:

......or what Newspaper you read (or not)

????

 

If one don't have an own critical mind, any media may influence profoundly one's judgement.

The worst ( sadly ) are the ones who believe, or not, based only on the name of the media.

3 hours ago, JoePai said:

What a stupid article, 3 years is a millennium in politics, heck lets over this Covid thing first before worrying who will get into number 10 next

True, in 3 years the E.U. financial services industry will have moved lock, stock and barrel to the continent.  Transferring some of the most lucrative jobs in London and 10% of the UK economy over the channel. In which case the Tories will be done like dinner by next election. 

17 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

a deal with the EU that everybody said could not be done.

Everybody said a deal couldn't be done?

 

Really...I didn't

Please at least try to stay on topic which is about:

 

UK PM Johnson could lose his seat and majority at next election - poll

44 minutes ago, andyg75 said:

Why do they read about British things,if I saw. a thread about Holland or France I wouldn’t bother reading it.British things to them is like some sort of magnet,

Maybe just maybe because the Brexit deal was a deal between two sides. The EU and the UK. So why can't we comment on it. Are you so afraid that bad things are said about the UK. I guess some people just can't take criticism. 

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As against now when the nation is learning that the deal is a mess.

I think people are just relieved its over.  I also think that as such 'the Nation' does not exist as a homogeneous mass. Additionally, the people who voted to leave are satisfied with the deal and the remainers who charged their mind, who had their eyes opened to the calumny of the EU leadership are also relieved. The deluded remainers are reminiscent of the Japanese soldiers found in the Jungle fighting a war long lost and long forgotten.

10 minutes ago, Nout said:

I think people are just relieved its over.  I also think that as such 'the Nation' does not exist as a homogeneous mass. Additionally, the people who voted to leave are satisfied with the deal and the remainers who charged their mind, who had their eyes opened to the calumny of the EU leadership are also relieved. The deluded remainers are reminiscent of the Japanese soldiers found in the Jungle fighting a war long lost and long forgotten.

I think everyone is happy its over, I think the deal is good for both sides. I find a poll about the popularity a bit premature. If covid is beaten then the outlook could really change. So this does not say much.

Too late. Whatever damage Boris could have done, he sure did.

 

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by Caldera

4 hours ago, transam said:

Winston Churchill did his job and then lost out, Boris has done his job and the same could happen.

Will have to wait and see.....????

British soldiers did their job as did their families. They voted against the grandstanding toff Churchill opting for a socialist alternative after the deprivation of the great depression and the war. Starner et al are solidly anti working class and anti Brexit. The mayor of London with his absurd firework display has reminded people just how out of touch labour are with the black  white and Asian working classes. Boris is safe.

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Johnyfd (the one with the bike pic) was one of them there were others but hard to look through it all.

 

Yes compromise is required during negotiation. I can remember the Dutch PM when they were negotiating about the loan issue for COVID. He said would not accept something later he had to accept it but got other things in return. He was a bit more honest then BJ. Telling the Dutch that he did not get his way completely but said this is what compromise is.

BJ never did anything of the sort. 

 

I think the UK and EU got a good deal however its far from what BJ promised his hardcore fans. Why do you think the fishermen were so angry. He never said anything about it to the public acknowledging that he did not get what he wanted but hail it all as a victory. I guess he is kinda like Trump never admitting anything always acting tough.

There was no compromise; even Johnson couldn't go for no deal, and to get a deal he had to surrender. The deal has cost the EU nothing - they have stuck to their position throughout. The losers are the UK. Even the daily fail's list of changes was a list of UK losses. A survey when the deal was agreed reported 17% support for it. Likely to shrink as reality hits in.