Hong Kong to teach children as young as six about subversion, foreign interference

[tonbridgebrit]

On 2/6/2021 at 6:07 AM, RJRS1301 said:

a little bit of hyperbole perhaps?

If you are meaning the one which has waged more wars than other country since 1945, which has twice impeached recent president.

The one which confuses christianity with hpocracy?

 

 

Yes, the hypocrisy is huge. But not everybody can see the hypocrisy. And most of those who can see the hypocrisy don't care, they'ill just carry on regardless.

[Morch]

43 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So, about three hundred thousand Chinese in Hong Kong have got this BNO passport. Supposedly, another two million in Hong Kong can still apply and get a BNO. You're correct, the issue of being born in Hong Kong prior to 1997 has a massive bearing on who in Hong Kong can get a BNO.  Okay, a child can still get a BNO if the parents have a BNO.

Now, of the 300,000 in Hong Kong who have the BNO, how many will actually move to Britain ?  I don't think the numbers moving to Britain and staying for the long-term, will be great. I think, only a tiny minority of the three hundred thousand will actually come to live long-term in Britain.  And the two or three million who can still apply and get a BNO,  I really don't think there will be a rush to get the application form.    ????

Why is that ?    ????

 

Why is what?

You're the one asserting there won't be a rush to get the application form, live in the UK long term etc.

Then you ask why as if it's a reality.

 

Unless you missed it, Covid-19. The UK isn't the most appealing country on that score.

Unless you missed it, China's tightening control - people could be rightly weary of making moves which might carry nasty consequences. 

 

[bangon04]

2 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

And none of us wants to criticise Thailand for this. That's because this type of thing is actually harmless.   ????

and it saves the effort of teaching maths and science.....

[bangon04]

2 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

And none of us wants to criticise Thailand for this. That's because this type of thing is actually harmless.   ????

and no link to the reason why the ruling Sino-Thais send their kids overseas and to international schools.....

[tonbridgebrit]

1 hour ago, bangon04 said:

and no link to the reason why the ruling Sino-Thais send their kids overseas and to international schools.....

Okay, some of the rich Thais send their kids overseas and to other schools.  Why is that ?  Surely, you accept it's because they want their kids to get qualifications (certificates) from those places, or a higher chance of getting the qualifications. It's like rich parents in Britain who put their kids into fee-paying private sector schools.

Thai parents, same as British parents, want their kids to have the qualifications in order to get the higher paid jobs in the future.  ????

It's  nothing to do with rich Thais saying "I don't want my kids going to a government school on the grounds of indoctrination with harmful ideas" .

Edited February 7, 2021 by tonbridgebrit

[tonbridgebrit]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Why is what?

You're the one asserting there won't be a rush to get the application form, live in the UK long term etc.

Then you ask why as if it's a reality.

 

Unless you missed it, Covid-19. The UK isn't the most appealing country on that score.

Unless you missed it, China's tightening control - people could be rightly weary of making moves which might carry nasty consequences. 

 

Oh, Covid 19 ?  That's whats stopping the three hundred thousand Chinese with BNO passports from entering Britain ?    ????    Covid is why there hasn't been a rush to get application forms from the two or three million Chinese who are eligible ?  
????

 

[bangon04]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Okay, some of the rich Thais send their kids overseas and to other schools.  Why is that ?  Surely, you accept it's because they want their kids to get qualifications (certificates) from those places, or a higher chance of getting the qualifications. It's like rich parents in Britain who put their kids into fee-paying private sector schools.

Thai parents, same as British parents, want their kids to have the qualifications in order to get the higher paid jobs in the future.  ????

It's  nothing to do with rich Thais saying "I don't want my kids going to a government school on the grounds of indoctrination with harmful ideas" .

you are entitled to your opinion... it is no coincidence that the Sino-Thais control the country and the economy and they do not want their kids to spend hours saluting the flag, marching up and down and singing patriotic songs INSTEAD of getting recognised qualifications which will allow them to continue to control the country in the next generation. The standards in buffalo schools are abysmal, and education is one of the keys to social advancement.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Oh, Covid 19 ?  That's whats stopping the three hundred thousand Chinese with BNO passports from entering Britain ?    ????    Covid is why there hasn't been a rush to get application forms from the two or three million Chinese who are eligible ?  
????

 

 

You're into the same nonsense on each and every topic. Coming up with something which is based on nothing much, then proceeding to discuss it as if it's real. You expect that there will not be mass movement of people from HK to the UK etc. that's to be seen.

 

As for the Covid-19 situation, I'm sure it's a contributing factor given health concerns and the effect it has on economies. It's hard enough for people to upend their lives on normal circumstances, all the more so in the midst of an international crisis. And just in case you missed it, air traffic isn't quite what it used to be these days.

[placnx]

18 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So, about three hundred thousand Chinese in Hong Kong have got this BNO passport. Supposedly, another two million in Hong Kong can still apply and get a BNO. You're correct, the issue of being born in Hong Kong prior to 1997 has a massive bearing on who in Hong Kong can get a BNO.  Okay, a child can still get a BNO if the parents have a BNO.

Now, of the 300,000 in Hong Kong who have the BNO, how many will actually move to Britain ?  I don't think the numbers moving to Britain and staying for the long-term, will be great. I think, only a tiny minority of the three hundred thousand will actually come to live long-term in Britain.  And the two or three million who can still apply and get a BNO,  I really don't think there will be a rush to get the application form.    ????

Why is that ?    ????

What I heard on BBC that 300,000 is the estimate of people who are likely to emigrate. Many more have or would be eligible to get a BNO passport. So how would they get out of HK on a BNO passport? Would they have to get out with an HKSAR passport, then use the BNO to enter Britain? People who had committed "crimes" such as demonstrating might not be able to leave, or even get an HK passport.

[tonbridgebrit]

3 hours ago, placnx said:

What I heard on BBC that 300,000 is the estimate of people who are likely to emigrate. Many more have or would be eligible to get a BNO passport. So how would they get out of HK on a BNO passport? Would they have to get out with an HKSAR passport, then use the BNO to enter Britain? People who had committed "crimes" such as demonstrating might not be able to leave, or even get an HK passport.

Well, let's put it this way. Roughly three hundred thousand have already got a BNO. Another two or three million are in the following position; they will likely get a BNO if they apply.  Anybody applying and getting a BNO now, will have the same BNO as the existing three hundred thousand.

There's six to seven million people in Hong Kong. Surely, one or two million of them did actually take part in the peaceful demonstrations. The vast majority of the six to seven million in Hong Kong are free to leave Hong Kong and turn up at whatever country that will accept them. Accept them as tourists or whatever. It's only a tiny minority who took part in the riots who are being 'hunted and chased' by the Hong Kong government. Yes, these people might have a problem when exiting Hong Kong.

Okay, during the last three decades, and it will be the same in the next few coming years, why is it that we simply have not seen a mass re-location of Chinese in Hong Kong to foreign countries ?  Yes, some have left. But lots of those who left Hong Kong have gone back to Hong Kong. Those people in Hong Kong prior to the 1997 Handover, the vast majority have continued to stay in Hong Kong. And those who qualify to enter Britain, Canada, etc, (because they've got money and/or special skills) well, the majority of them have stayed in Hong Kong. Or returned to Hong Kong after a few years abroad.
Why is that ?  I say with a smirk on my face, it's because they want to.  Restrictions on religion. Restrictions on free speech. Restrictions on the media. And the latest is propaganda and indoctrination in schools.  It's being greatly exaggerated by the media in America and Europe. For the vast majority of people in Hong Kong, they'd rather stay than leave.   ????

[tonbridgebrit]

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

You're into the same nonsense on each and every topic. Coming up with something which is based on nothing much, then proceeding to discuss it as if it's real. You expect that there will not be mass movement of people from HK to the UK etc. that's to be seen.

 

As for the Covid-19 situation, I'm sure it's a contributing factor given health concerns and the effect it has on economies. It's hard enough for people to upend their lives on normal circumstances, all the more so in the midst of an international crisis. And just in case you missed it, air traffic isn't quite what it used to be these days.

Morch, stop criticizing me. There's more people on ThaiVisa who don't like your views rather than the ones who don't like mine. Stop being hypocritical, with your accusations of the same nonsense on every topic.
You really think there will be a mass movement of Chinese from Hong Kong to Britain once Covid is over ?  It's not going to happen. It's because these people simply don't want to come to Britain. They'd rather stay in Hong Kong.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Morch, stop criticizing me. There's more people on ThaiVisa who don't like your views rather than the ones who don't like mine. Stop being hypocritical, with your accusations of the same nonsense on every topic.
You really think there will be a mass movement of Chinese from Hong Kong to Britain once Covid is over ?  It's not going to happen. It's because these people simply don't want to come to Britain. They'd rather stay in Hong Kong.

 

"Morch, stop criticizing me."

 

Stop posting misinformation and propaganda-like nonsense, and I'll be happy to. Stop posting stuff you make up and expect it to be treated as fact.

 

"There's more people on ThaiVisa who don't like your views rather than the ones who don't like mine."

 

Kinda doubt that. Went ahead and looked at the share of negative responses (in the reputation thingie). You stand at about 10%, I'm at 6.5%.

 

"Stop being hypocritical"

 

Open a dictionary and look it up, got nothing to do with my responses to you.

 

"You really think there will be a mass movement of Chinese from Hong Kong to Britain once Covid is over ?  It's not going to happen. It's because these people simply don't want to come to Britain. They'd rather stay in Hong Kong."

 

As opposed to you declaring (based on nothing much) there won't be, I do not know. Under current conditions (which you disregard) probably not. How things will pan out remains to be seen.

 

 

[placnx]

3 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Well, let's put it this way. Roughly three hundred thousand have already got a BNO. Another two or three million are in the following position; they will likely get a BNO if they apply.  Anybody applying and getting a BNO now, will have the same BNO as the existing three hundred thousand.

There's six to seven million people in Hong Kong. Surely, one or two million of them did actually take part in the peaceful demonstrations. The vast majority of the six to seven million in Hong Kong are free to leave Hong Kong and turn up at whatever country that will accept them. Accept them as tourists or whatever. It's only a tiny minority who took part in the riots who are being 'hunted and chased' by the Hong Kong government. Yes, these people might have a problem when exiting Hong Kong.

Okay, during the last three decades, and it will be the same in the next few coming years, why is it that we simply have not seen a mass re-location of Chinese in Hong Kong to foreign countries ?  Yes, some have left. But lots of those who left Hong Kong have gone back to Hong Kong. Those people in Hong Kong prior to the 1997 Handover, the vast majority have continued to stay in Hong Kong. And those who qualify to enter Britain, Canada, etc, (because they've got money and/or special skills) well, the majority of them have stayed in Hong Kong. Or returned to Hong Kong after a few years abroad.
Why is that ?  I say with a smirk on my face, it's because they want to.  Restrictions on religion. Restrictions on free speech. Restrictions on the media. And the latest is propaganda and indoctrination in schools.  It's being greatly exaggerated by the media in America and Europe. For the vast majority of people in Hong Kong, they'd rather stay than leave.   ????

Some people went abroad after 1997 to set up elsewhere as an insurance policy, as it were, then moved back to their HK home once they had acquired alternate status.

 

According to this link, 469,000 have active BNO passports among the 2.9 million entitled to BNO passports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_(Overseas)

 

[tonbridgebrit]

39 minutes ago, placnx said:

Some people went abroad after 1997 to set up elsewhere as an insurance policy, as it were, then moved back to their HK home once they had acquired alternate status.

 

According to this link, 469,000 have active BNO passports among the 2.9 million entitled to BNO passports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_(Overseas)

 

Thanks for your link. Yes, the ones who left Hong Kong and then moved back to Hong Kong. They left Hong Kong to get a foreign passport or permanent residence, and returned to Hong Kong, the foreign passport was an insurance policy.

Yes, about three million are entitled to a BNO. That number will cause a bit of panic in some people in Britain. ????

All those in Britain who do not want to see a mass flood of Chinese from Hong Kong entering Britain, there's no need for them to be concerned. The mass flood is not going to happen.   ????

[tonbridgebrit]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

"There's more people on ThaiVisa who don't like your views rather than the ones who don't like mine."

 

Kinda doubt that. Went ahead and looked at the share of negative responses (in the reputation thingie). You stand at about 10%, I'm at 6.5%.

 

It's not just about how many people clicked a negative response in the reputation thingie. It's also about taking part in an absurd row/argument/slanging match on ThaiVisa.  You've done that about five times more than me.
????
But yes, I'm on 10%, you're on 6.5%.  I'm laughing my head off now.

[Morch]

 

@tonbridgebrit

 

Your new batch of nonsense is dully noted, but I'm still not what the topic is about.

 

[Morch]

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