WHO in Chinese pocket?

overherebc · February 13, 2021

On 2/13/2021 at 2:34 AM, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

No I am well aware of that there has been a lot of Corona viruses. You have SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2 that has been known for killing a lot of people. After that you have a lot more of them that gives the same feeling like a flu.

I will try my best to prove to you a second time. If youdon´t get what you read this time, I give up. Then you are considered to be a lost case.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703274/

So you now admit that all of those are corona viruses, just variations on a pattern of the same thing. Go back to your first post. I said influenza was a corona virus and your answer was 'NOPE' it''s a different kind of virus.

Edited February 13, 2021 by overherebc

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

So you now admit that all of those are corona viruses, just variations on a pattern of the same thing.

No, I am not, and you do not understand what you read. Look back in this thread, and see how many it is who says that it´s not same. Look at information online. What the heck, send an email with the question to a virologist.

If you still deny the facts and think you know better, then so be it. It´s called living in denial with a huge hubris.

overherebc · February 13, 2021

7 hours ago, impulse said:

Anthrax is caused by a bacteria, but your underlying point is a good one...

It's not nice to mess with Mother Nature.

Yep, bacteria.

When MOD bought the island in 1942 they paid the owner £500. After they cleaned it up they sold it back to the original owners for £500. ????

overherebc · February 13, 2021

30 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

No, I am not, and you do not understand what you read. Look back in this thread, and see how many it is who says that it´s not same. Look at information online. What the heck, send an email with the question to a virologist.

If you still deny the facts and think you know better, then so be it. It´s called living in denial with a huge hubris.

Ok I'll ask you to prove to me that an influenza virus is not a corona type virus.

overherebc · February 13, 2021

Sort of back on topic.

The name Covid 19 was penned by the WHO so that the name did not point to any particular place of origin.

elgenon · February 13, 2021

20 hours ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

They got some great big pockets, right? ????

They are the biggest funder of WHO. America bowed out. They vacuum was filled.

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

Ok I'll ask you to prove to me that an influenza virus is not a corona type virus.

Sorry, done that already. Can´t help you fight your delusion. Please PM me if you wish a link to get in touch with a professional.

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

1 hour ago, elgenon said:

They are the biggest funder of WHO. America bowed out. They vacuum was filled.

Yes, exactly. They are the biggest contributor as America bowed out. Wait now! Does that mean WHO was in Americas pocket before? Why was there nobody complaining over that?

overherebc · February 13, 2021

21 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Sorry, done that already. Can´t help you fight your delusion. Please PM me if you wish a link to get in touch with a professional.

What is the description of this virus?

Or another way to ask.

What 'family' of viruses does it belong to?

Just to help you.

Here is also an image of a corona during an eclipse.

Note the similarity? A ball with a ring around it.

Hence the name .

Edited February 13, 2021 by overherebc

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

What is the description of this virus?

Or another way to ask.

What 'family' of viruses does it belong to?

Just to help you.

Here is also an image of a corona during an eclipse.

Note the similarity? A ball with a ring around it.

Hence the name .

I am not at all interested in your description of why corona virus has it´s name. That is not what we have been arguing about here. What I and more members have been opposing, was that you posted that "all flu viruses are corona virus anyway".

On 2/12/2021 at 6:42 AM, overherebc said:

The best to hope for is that it mutates to a standard type infuenza virus ( all flu viruses are corona viruses anyway ) and becomes seasonal, it certainly isn't going to go away.

That is totally wrong. What I am very glad over is that you posed the question in your quote above: "What family of viruses does it belong to?" . Thank you! I will sort it out qick and swiftly for you.

Influenza viruses belongs to the latin named family: Ortomyxoviridae

Corona viruses belongs to the latin named family: Coronaviridae

As extra Influenza viruses is categorized in A, B and C types. Here it is only A and B types that can infect humans.

Regarding to the other family, Corona viruses, there has been 7 found that can infect humans where also MERS, SARS and SARS-CoV-2 is included.

Out of the reson that it´s undisputed that they belong to 2 different latin families, your thesis that all flu viruses are Corona viruses falls hard.

Try to get it now. You are making yourself ridiculous.

Edited February 13, 2021 by Dagfinnur Traustason

overherebc · February 13, 2021

30 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

I am not at all interested in your description of why corona virus has it´s name. That is not what we have been arguing about here. What I and more members have been opposing, was that you posted that "all flu viruses are corona virus anyway".

That is totally wrong. What I am very glad over is that you posed the question in your quote above: "What family of viruses does it belong to?" . Thank you! I will sort it out qick and swiftly for you.

Influenza viruses belongs to the latin named family: Ortomyxoviridae

Corona viruses belongs to the latin named family: Coronaviridae

As extra Influenza viruses is categorized in A, B and C types. Here it is only A and B types that can infect humans.

Regarding to the other family, Corona viruses, there has been 7 found that can infect humans where also MERS, SARS and SARS-CoV-2 is included.

Out of the reson that it´s undisputed that they belong to 2 different latin families, your thesis that all flu viruses are Corona viruses falls hard.

Try to get it now. You are making yourself ridiculous.

You're funny.

I've totally lost count of the hours I've enjoyed on this thread ever since your first post saying the flu virus isn't a corona type virus. The name is mearly a description of the appearance of the virus.

Edited February 13, 2021 by overherebc

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

47 minutes ago, overherebc said:

You're funny.

I've totally lost count of the hours I've enjoyed on this thread ever since your first post saying the flu virus isn't a corona type virus. The name is mearly a description of the appearance of the virus.

Ok, then we do like this. I have poven for you that it is not same types of viruses. Actually 3 times now after you asked me to do that. Can you now prove that a flu virus is a corona type virus?

This is what you have to fight against Mr. Expert:

What is the difference between Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19? Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a new coronavirus (called SARS-CoV-2), and flu is caused by infection with influenza viruses.

If they are same types of viruses, why do they separate them?

Let´s also remember, that it was not me starting to say that a flu virus is not a corona type virus. It was you starting to post false information that it is, and me replying with the correct information.

If not correct. Prove otherwise, or just accept your defeat.

Edited February 13, 2021 by Dagfinnur Traustason

overherebc · February 13, 2021

1 hour ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Ok, then we do like this. I have poven for you that it is not same types of viruses. Actually 3 times now after you asked me to do that. Can you now prove that a flu virus is a corona type virus?

This is what you have to fight against Mr. Expert:

What is the difference between Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19? Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a new coronavirus (called SARS-CoV-2), and flu is caused by infection with influenza viruses.

If they are same types of viruses, why do they separate them?

Let´s also remember, that it was not me starting to say that a flu virus is not a corona type virus. It was you starting to post false information that it is, and me replying with the correct information.

If not correct. Prove otherwise, or just accept your defeat.

Go back and read your first reply to me.

You wrote at 2.40pm on the 12th Feb.

You said

Flu viruses are not corona viruses.

Are you getting confused now?

Edited February 13, 2021 by overherebc

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

22 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Go back and read your first reply to me.

You wrote at 2.40pm on the 12th Feb.

You said

Flu viruses are not corona viruses.

Are you getting confused now?

Yes, exactly like I say. I qouted your post that "said all flu viruses are corona viruses anyway", which I also have sorted out in a later quote to you.

No I am not confused, and I build my stance on facts. How about you? When is the proof that contradict my facts coming. I asked for that, but apparently something you chosed to look away from very quick. I gave you proof when you asked for it 3 times. Now it´s your turn to build your stance on facts. However, very hard, due to that corona viruses are from one family, and flu viruses comes from Influenza viruses that belongs to another family.

Just admit you are wrong, or show my proof to back up your BS.

Heng · February 13, 2021

What, influence can be purchased? I know if I paid for something, I'm going to want to do what I want with that purchase.

Sophon · February 13, 2021

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The common flu and influenza are the same thing. BUT, every year new varieties of the flu evolve. You can think of these different varieties sort of like different breeds of dogs. (One obvious difference is that people created different dog breeds on purpose.)

The reason we need a new flu shot every year is because of the changes in the flu virus. Every year there are actually a few new varieties. Experts have to make an educated guess about which one will spread the most. They can't wait to find out because it takes time to produce the new vaccine. Some years the flu is only a problem for babies, elderly people, and people with other illnesses, but sometimes it's deadly for a lot of people. The 1918 flu epidemic was very deadly.

Corona viruses are a different kind of virus than the flu. It's sort of like it's a cat and flu is a dog. There are lots of varieties of corona viruses (like lots of cat breeds). The virus that causes COVID-19 is an especially bad one. It spreads about as easily as the flu, but is several times more likely to cause serious problems.

Quote: "Corona viruses are a different kind of virus than the flu"

meaning the flu is not a Corona virus.

Or visually:

Above from http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=7082

overherebc · February 13, 2021

17 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Yes, exactly like I say. I qouted your post that "said all flu viruses are corona viruses anyway", which I also have sorted out in a later quote to you.

No I am not confused, and I build my stance on facts. How about you? When is the proof that contradict my facts coming. I asked for that, but apparently something you chosed to look away from very quick. I gave you proof when you asked for it 3 times. Now it´s your turn to build your stance on facts. However, very hard, due to that corona viruses are from one family, and flu viruses comes from Influenza viruses that belongs to another family.

Just admit you are wrong, or show my proof to back up your BS.

Which other family do they come from?

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

30 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Which other family do they come from?

Like I say. Up to you to contradict my facts. I have delivered proof.

Nevermind, what other family they are coming from. I already presented evidence of that all flu viruses isn´t corona viruses.

Still waiting for your facts that prove the opposite, but you have none, right? You know why? Because they only exists in your fantasy.

overherebc · February 13, 2021

10 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Like I say. Up to you to contradict my facts. I have delivered proof.

Nevermind, what other family they are coming from. I already presented evidence of that all flu viruses isn´t corona viruses.

Still waiting for your facts that prove the opposite, but you have none, right? You know why? Because they only exists in your fantasy.

You're really getting off on this aren't you?

teacherclaire · February 13, 2021

If anybody believes that it's from a seafood/ wild animal market in Wuhan where they have stage 4 laboratories and research the Coronavirus in particular, must be a dreamer.

"The Washington Post newspaper reported information obtained from diplomatic cables on 14 April. They show that, in 2018, US science diplomats were sent on repeated visits to a Chinese research facility.

Officials sent two warnings to Washington about the lab. The column says the officials were worried about safety and management weaknesses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) and called for more help."

More here from BBC News: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52318539

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

46 minutes ago, overherebc said:

You're really getting off on this aren't you?

Not at all. Still waiting for your information that backs up what you post. Alternatively, admit that you are wrong.

Seems to me that you are suddenly avoiding the thing in question? Why is that?

Edited February 13, 2021 by Dagfinnur Traustason

overherebc · February 13, 2021

1 minute ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Not at all. Still waiting for your information that backs up what you post. Alternatively, admit that you are wrong.

Tell you what. You call them ( the flu viruses ) whatever you want.

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 13, 2021

24 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Tell you what. You call them ( the flu viruses ) whatever you want.

No, now you are suddenly generalising. I never called them, the flu viruses. I said that all flu viruses is not Corona viruses. I said that they flu viruses is named as Infuenza viruses, and Corona viruses is another thing as they belong to different vírus families. Something you oppose, by holding on to that all flu viruses are Corona viruses, which is totally false. So, still waiting for facts that backs up your dream.

elgenon · February 14, 2021

23 hours ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Yes, exactly. They are the biggest contributor as America bowed out. Wait now! Does that mean WHO was in Americas pocket before? Why was there nobody complaining over that?

The only reason I am saying anything is because they might be obstructing the investigation into the Covid cause.

And yes, many people complained about America's influence re WHO.

Please read up.

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 14, 2021

55 minutes ago, elgenon said:

The only reason I am saying anything is because they might be obstructing the investigation into the Covid cause.

And yes, many people complained about America's influence re WHO.

Please read up.

Ok, then I assume we can consider it a tie? Right? Or is it more bad when China has more influence than USA? If so, then you are talking out of a political stance and chose to not make an indepentant stance.

elgenon · February 15, 2021

21 hours ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Ok, then I assume we can consider it a tie? Right? Or is it more bad when China has more influence than USA? If so, then you are talking out of a political stance and chose to not make an indepentant stance.

5555. Why is the comparison so very important to you? There's no race or competition here. I hope you have taken the time to read my posts and actually understand the substance of them. The fact that you keep making it a horse race rather than talking about the difficulty of finding and understanding the origin of Covid which would help us all in the future causes me to bow out and declare you the winner. You win. Please take a victory lap.

Dagfinnur Traustason · February 15, 2021

58 minutes ago, elgenon said:

5555. Why is the comparison so very important to you? There's no race or competition here. I hope you have taken the time to read my posts and actually understand the substance of them. The fact that you keep making it a horse race rather than talking about the difficulty of finding and understanding the origin of Covid which would help us all in the future causes me to bow out and declare you the winner. You win. Please take a victory lap.

You certainly got me there, Sir. Hmmm... win what? Have we been having a competition? Sorry, if so, you have to inform me in advance next time.

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