SURVEY: Should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Oh dear. I really thought you might have knowledge of how elections work. How long each term is under law.

 

I can't believe that these people that you believe can run an independent Scotland did not ask for a rule with regards to how often a referendum can be held when campaigning pre 2014. The agreement in N.Ireland has been used as a comparison but, sadly for Scotland, only in hindsight

 

One other thing that baffles me. These people who are going to lead Scotland to independence and then run the country did not get even an inkling that there was disdain with EU growing in UK. Even just 2 year between Indyref and EU ref but the Scot Nats had no idea it was going to happen? Really? That's not the greatest example of forward thinking. Maybe AS had a chat with David Cameron and was advised that a referendum would likely take place but Remain would win at a center.

 

Either way, shocking planning and fore thinking. Not a great way to lead a country.

 

So where is the legally binding time limit on when Scotland can hold a referendum on independence? 

[Kwasaki]

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

What do YOU think will happen?

I don't know I am not a Scot the only Scots I know is one who comes to Thailand and one in UK who is my son in-law who both say they do not want Scotland to leave UK so are you an extremist or what to ask me a question like that of an Englishman.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't know I am not a Scot the only Scots I know is one who comes to Thailand and one in UK who is my son in-law who both say they do not want Scotland to leave UK so are you an extremist or what to ask me a question like that of an Englishman.

You asked the question what would happen to your son in law who is Scottish, lives in England and does not want independence.

I asked you what YOU think will happen to him.

Hardly an extremists position is it?

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Because Brexiteers are afraid of democracy.

You wouldn't know democracy if some-one mixed in with your tom yum goong soup and you took a bite of it.????????

[Kwasaki]

43 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That's for the Scots to decide.

Of course I agree, can I not have an apionion of my own thinking it would not go well.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You wouldn't know democracy if some-one mixed in with your tom yum goong soup and you took a bite of it.????????

 

Really? I'm not the one advocating that people should not be given a referendum because I am afraid of losing it.

You are.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Really? I'm not the one advocating that people should not be given a referendum because I am afraid of losing it.

You are.

You have had a referendum, the Scottish Nationalists lost...........now that wasn't too difficult was it.

[Kwasaki]

45 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Do you understand how voting for the Scottish parliament works?

No?

OK then.

No I don't I was asking about Salmon and Sturgeon getting into a dual. 

[Kwasaki]

15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You asked the question what would happen to your son in law who is Scottish, lives in England and does not want independence.

I asked you what YOU think will happen to him.

Hardly an extremists position is it?

Are you sure you're not a stalker I have already answered you're previous post that were not address to you. 

[Bluespunk]

15 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Of course I agree, can I not have an apionion of my own thinking it would not go well.

You can have all the opinions you want, this thread has many...however no matter what the opinion, it is the Scots who should decide on their future regardless of any such opinions.

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You can have all the opinions you want, this thread has many...however no matter what the opinion, it is the Scots who should decide on their future regardless of any such opinions.

Yeah well I have already agreed to that thanks. 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

No I don't I was asking about Salmon and Sturgeon getting into a dual. 

Then allow me to explain. Holyrood elections do not work the same as a general election for example. It is not a system of "first past the post".

You have two votes. One for the constituency seat and one for a list seat.

The better a party does in the constituency vote the more it gets penalised in the list seats. It needs far more votes to win a list seat than for example the party which came second.

It is designed to prevent one party from dominating and obtaining a majority on its own. 

So if I were to vote for the SNP in both and the SNP "wins" the election then my list vote basically becomes worthless.

Still with me?

OK so what if we had a second independence party to vote for?

Now I vote SNP in constituency and Alba party in the list.

This will mean my second vote is not worthless and the Alba party will hopefully get seats because of it. 

Salmond (note spelling) has already said he wants people to vote for the SNP in the constituency vote and Alba in the list vote. So its hardly a duel. More of a coalition. 

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah well I have already agreed to that thanks. 

Your agreement isn't really required, but nice of you to be so gracious...

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

You have had a referendum, the Scottish Nationalists lost...........now that wasn't too difficult was it.

 

So we can never have another referendum?

[Rookiescot]

14 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Are you sure you're not a stalker I have already answered you're previous post that were not address to you. 

Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a public forum.

I did not realise I had accidentally stumbled into you private email. 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a public forum.

I did not realise I had accidentally stumbled into you private email. 

OK cool miss a good reply from you, fanights.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So we can never have another referendum?

Of course you can rookie, just the same as my youngest son Troy will be allowed another Easter Egg next Easter, he has had his egg for this year. Your referendum Easter day is due in 2056. 

All good things come to those that wait.

[youreavinalaff]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

An agreement to let Rhodesia hold elections?

Interesting as it is I fail to see the relevance regarding the UK having to borrow foreign assets to protect its ships. 

No. The agreement between UK and France with regards to naval issues.

 

Your attempt at deflection was both pedantic and funny.

[youreavinalaff]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So where is the legally binding time limit on when Scotland can hold a referendum on independence? 

Exactly. There is no time limit.

 

Therefore one has to be arranged. By all parties.

[youreavinalaff]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Then allow me to explain. Holyrood elections do not work the same as a general election for example. It is not a system of "first past the post".

You have two votes. One for the constituency seat and one for a list seat.

The better a party does in the constituency vote the more it gets penalised in the list seats. It needs far more votes to win a list seat than for example the party which came second.

It is designed to prevent one party from dominating and obtaining a majority on its own. 

So if I were to vote for the SNP in both and the SNP "wins" the election then my list vote basically becomes worthless.

Still with me?

OK so what if we had a second independence party to vote for?

Now I vote SNP in constituency and Alba party in the list.

This will mean my second vote is not worthless and the Alba party will hopefully get seats because of it. 

Salmond (note spelling) has already said he wants people to vote for the SNP in the constituency vote and Alba in the list vote. So its hardly a duel. More of a coalition. 

Seems quite confusing.

 

Do you think this is the reason why Scottish Nationalists seem unable to distinguish between 55% and 45%?

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Of course you can rookie, just the same as my youngest son Troy will be allowed another Easter Egg next Easter, he has had his egg for this year. Your referendum Easter day is due in 2056. 

All good things come to those that wait.

Who says the next referendum is due in 2056?

You?

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. The agreement between UK and France with regards to naval issues.

 

Your attempt at deflection was both pedantic and funny.

What is funny is you calling someone pedantic.

Still waiting for you to provide a link questioning the political leanings and neutrality of the Hamilton report.

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Who says the next referendum is due in 2056?

You?

Nah, to quote two of our most trusted and honest politicians, Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon they both said "once in a lifetime," which is circa 75 years. I think neither of us will see it in our lifetime rookie.

 

I think I was being overly generous when I stated 56 years, it is much more than that.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Exactly. There is no time limit.

 

Therefore one has to be arranged. By all parties.

It will be arranged by the Scottish government. We need no outside interference from foreign governments.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, vogie said:

Nah, to quote two of our most trusted and honest politicians, Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon they both said "once in a lifetime," which is circa 75 years. I think neither of us will see it in our lifetime rookie.

 

I think I was being overly generous when I stated 56 years, it is much more than that.

Johnson said the last election was a once in a lifetime event.

Does this mean we cant hold any more general elections for a generation?

Of course Johnson also promised he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for another extension so have you and the Brexiteers held him to that?

 

Boris Johnson SLIPS in polls: PM sends election plea as Remainers plot for hung Parliament | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

 

BORIS JOHNSON has today urged Sunday Express readers to back the Conservative Party in a “critical once in a generation election” on Thursday.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Seems quite confusing.

 

Do you think this is the reason why Scottish Nationalists seem unable to distinguish between 55% and 45%?

 

No its pretty straight forward.

It prevents rabid right wing governments taking control with a majority while only receiving 42% of the votes.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson said the last election was a once in a lifetime event.

Does this mean we cant hold any more general elections for a generation?

Of course Johnson also promised he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for another extension so have you and the Brexiteers held him to that?

 

Boris Johnson SLIPS in polls: PM sends election plea as Remainers plot for hung Parliament | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

 

BORIS JOHNSON has today urged Sunday Express readers to back the Conservative Party in a “critical once in a generation election” on Thursday.

Ah, we are playing Snakes and Ladders with the polls again rookie, when they are down they are down and we don't hear a peep from you, but when they are up they are up and you are like a dog with two tails, consistantly predictable.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Ah, we are playing Snakes and Ladders with the polls again rookie, when they are down they are down and we don't hear a peep from you, but when they are up they are up and you are like a dog with two tails, consistantly predictable.

Nice deflection. I never mentioned polls. Although when they were in your favour you were a rabid supporter of them.

Back to the point at hand.

Johnson said the last election was once in a generation. Does that mean we cant have any more general elections for whatever you and the Brexiteers deem to be a generation?

[youreavinalaff]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

It will be arranged by the Scottish government. We need no outside interference from foreign governments.

5555. That's funny. There are no foreign governments in UK.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

5555. That's funny. There are no foreign governments in UK.

 

Scotland is a sovereign country.

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