Thailand expects 40 million international tourists by 2024

[Harry Fingerling]

Well to be fair we haven’t had the bubble BS wheeled out for weeks.

[bkk6060]

 

18 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

So I can expect two and a half more years of 5-Star hotel rooms in Phuket for $20-$40; I'm not complaining. 

Yep.

Here now great bargains on unbelievable rooms.

Got this huge room at a great price with a private pool.  And, the islands are clean, clear no tourists.  Similan is just beautiful!

Don't wait until 2024. I do think many people will be coming here by then. Now is the time to domestic travel and take advantage of low rates and no crowds.

[Mywayboy]

18 hours ago, colinneil said:

Dream on pal, aint gonna happen, not in my life time anyway.

Must be Arkhoms turn to make a BS statement, get his name in the media.????????

My Bhudda is that all the tourists that are coming.

Hope no Dirty Farang coming 555555.

[Bkktodd]

Many other countries are wooing tourists with easier admission without  “foreigner” stigma attached.  Thailand has destroyed tourism.  If you want to visit all the shops and tourists venues that once were....you’ll find plenty of for Sale/rent signs instead

[tingtong]

10 in 2021

20 in 2022

30 in 2023

40 in 2024....?

 

Keep pushing the date to the future, and who knows it may just happen.

Meantime the big numbers help to take the focus from the here and now total lack of any tourists, despite boat quarantine, area quarantine, golf course quarantine, or whatnot great new idea popping up every other day.

 

Never mind that most tourism related business and the million employees won't survive on hopes until 2024...

[Nanaplaza666]

3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Agreed.
Keep  in mind that pre-pandemic they were almost at the 40 mil arrivals mark.
IF the vaccinations work (iffy as they never really had a chance to properly research and test them before they went into mass production) they will start letting people back in. And around the world, life will return to a semblance of normalcy and people who've been cooped up at home will be itching to travel.

(A lot of people have this weird notion that the entire planet has been out of work since the crisis began and therefore have no money. Which is really dumb. Even in Thailand, the vast majority of people are still working. Just not as many in the touristy spots, which some seem to think is the only thing people do in this country even though International Tourism only accounts for 12-16% of the total GDP. Gee, I wonder what makes up the other 84-88% of the GDP if tourism is the only thing keeping the country running ?) 

3 years to get back to where they were at the end of 2019 basically. Once the virus has been contained (more or less) and things start getting back to normal, people will start travelling again.

And 99.9999% won't even know about "random" lockdowns (which is BS to begin with as there were NO "random" lockdowns), which wouldn't be an issue anyways. If the vaccinations and containment have been effective.
Just like 99.9999% won't have a clue about the racism present. (Most of the tourists that come here have no clue about things like double pricing because they never see it. It's the expats and "genuine tourists" living here on multiple tourist visas that see the things like foreigners being charged 5-10 times more than the locals to see the same trees and waterfalls or whatever.)

THINK about it. Tourism numbers dropped the year after the Tsunami in the Andaman Sea (which devastated Phuket amongst other places). Up to 2004 the numbers had been steadily increasing. They dropped in 2005 (because of the Tsunami) and then reached a new high in 2006. One year was all it took before they started getting even more tourists than before the Tsunami.

Even when all the problems were happening with the "red" and "yellow" shirts, with shootings and grenades being thrown, the airport being taken over, the (former) PM fleeing to escape a prison sentence and military coups - the number of arrivals kept climbing !! (Apparently the tourists didn't pay any attention to the TVF members who back then claimed that all those things would kill tourism.)

In fact, the numbers were climbing so fast that within a couple years of opening the new Suvarnabhumi airport, they had already reached it's maximum capacity and they had to start the first expansion years earlier than originally planned. Phase 2 was also started early and they just announced approval for another major upgrade.
(One of the reasons U-Tapao was expanded and the road networks improved in Rayong/Chon Buri was to try and divert some of the air traffic from Suvarnabhumi to U-Tapao to reduce the strain.)

They won't get 40 mil arrivals overnight. If they are able to let people in this year, they might get a couple million by the end of the year. Next year would be more. 2023 might, if things are going well, be around half of the pre-pandemic level and maybe by the end of 2024 they could be close to the 40 mil mark again.

Here's a clue. A couple months ago it was announced that China had already passed the amount of exports (monthly) it had been doing before the pandemic. Which means two things.
Most of China is still working (and probably dying to go on holiday somewhere).
Most of the world is still buying whatever China is exporting (meaning most of the world is still working and making money).

But it all hinges on the vaccinations and containment of the virus. If those are effective, tourists will start returning to Thailand and they will - easily - pass the numbers they were receiving before pandemic.

And all the "doom and gloomers" who think everything is the "straw that will break the back" of tourism in Thailand will have to find a new straw to whine about. Just like they do whenever there is an alcohol ban and they chime up that it will (yawn) be that "straw" then have to watch as even more tourists arrive despite their claims.

 

Maybe a few things of what you are saying are right i don't doubt that , but comparing a global pandemic that is going on for more then a year and many many business owners that will go bankrupt or already have been to a 1 day dissaster is a bit strange . The tsunami happened in 1 place in Thailand and in 2 other countries , this pandemic is hitting the whole world and is not only hitting the people working in the tourist industry but also their families that they where feeding . Nr whise it's 16% of the GDP but people whise it's larger then they could ever imagine . Everything that is still working is connected to the internet sales and people that can work from home but a lot of people that had a job that could not be done from home lost their jobs and a lot of companies had to fire staff deu to lack of business even the biggest companies so don't think that the whole world is just going on as it was that's a bit of a mistake at your end . 

[AlfHuy]

14 hours ago, saakura said:

Can you send a link to any 5 star hotel in Phuket giving out rooms for $20 / 600 Baht a night please, plan on taking a vaccation with family in end April. 

Lamada light

FILTON

MANGRILA

[texascsa]

So I will be locked into Thailand for another 2 years without being able to visit the U.S.?

[Bkktodd]

3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Agreed.
Keep  in mind that pre-pandemic they were almost at the 40 mil arrivals mark.
IF the vaccinations work (iffy as they never really had a chance to properly research and test them before they went into mass production) they will start letting people back in. And around the world, life will return to a semblance of normalcy and people who've been cooped up at home will be itching to travel.

(A lot of people have this weird notion that the entire planet has been out of work since the crisis began and therefore have no money. Which is really dumb. Even in Thailand, the vast majority of people are still working. Just not as many in the touristy spots, which some seem to think is the only thing people do in this country even though International Tourism only accounts for 12-16% of the total GDP. Gee, I wonder what makes up the other 84-88% of the GDP if tourism is the only thing keeping the country running ?) 

3 years to get back to where they were at the end of 2019 basically. Once the virus has been contained (more or less) and things start getting back to normal, people will start travelling again.

And 99.9999% won't even know about "random" lockdowns (which is BS to begin with as there were NO "random" lockdowns), which wouldn't be an issue anyways. If the vaccinations and containment have been effective.
Just like 99.9999% won't have a clue about the racism present. (Most of the tourists that come here have no clue about things like double pricing because they never see it. It's the expats and "genuine tourists" living here on multiple tourist visas that see the things like foreigners being charged 5-10 times more than the locals to see the same trees and waterfalls or whatever.)

THINK about it. Tourism numbers dropped the year after the Tsunami in the Andaman Sea (which devastated Phuket amongst other places). Up to 2004 the numbers had been steadily increasing. They dropped in 2005 (because of the Tsunami) and then reached a new high in 2006. One year was all it took before they started getting even more tourists than before the Tsunami.

Even when all the problems were happening with the "red" and "yellow" shirts, with shootings and grenades being thrown, the airport being taken over, the (former) PM fleeing to escape a prison sentence and military coups - the number of arrivals kept climbing !! (Apparently the tourists didn't pay any attention to the TVF members who back then claimed that all those things would kill tourism.)

In fact, the numbers were climbing so fast that within a couple years of opening the new Suvarnabhumi airport, they had already reached it's maximum capacity and they had to start the first expansion years earlier than originally planned. Phase 2 was also started early and they just announced approval for another major upgrade.
(One of the reasons U-Tapao was expanded and the road networks improved in Rayong/Chon Buri was to try and divert some of the air traffic from Suvarnabhumi to U-Tapao to reduce the strain.)

They won't get 40 mil arrivals overnight. If they are able to let people in this year, they might get a couple million by the end of the year. Next year would be more. 2023 might, if things are going well, be around half of the pre-pandemic level and maybe by the end of 2024 they could be close to the 40 mil mark again.

Here's a clue. A couple months ago it was announced that China had already passed the amount of exports (monthly) it had been doing before the pandemic. Which means two things.
Most of China is still working (and probably dying to go on holiday somewhere).
Most of the world is still buying whatever China is exporting (meaning most of the world is still working and making money).

But it all hinges on the vaccinations and containment of the virus. If those are effective, tourists will start returning to Thailand and they will - easily - pass the numbers they were receiving before pandemic.

And all the "doom and gloomers" who think everything is the "straw that will break the back" of tourism in Thailand will have to find a new straw to whine about. Just like they do whenever there is an alcohol ban and they chime up that it will (yawn) be that "straw" then have to watch as even more tourists arrive despite their claims.

 

I work for the Airlines in the USA. Flights are packed ....airports/flights used to be empty.  By summer time everyone will be  itching to travel. Cruise ships are sailing too   Not sure where Thailand will fair in all this.  Word of mouth and bad press doesnt help when neighboring countries are cheaper and more friendly.    For now less flights and bkk airport a ghost town with most everything closed and wrapped in clear wrap (serious..no joke). 

[Bangkocker]

6 minutes ago, texascsa said:

So I will be locked into Thailand for another 2 years without being able to visit the U.S.?

Oi stop bragging. Lucky you. Revel in the revelry that's already happening in BKK. Plenty of action there.

[Pattaya Spotter]

33 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

 

Yep.

Here now great bargains on unbelievable rooms.

Got this huge room at a great price with a private pool.  And, the islands are clean, clear no tourists.  Similan is just beautiful!

Don't wait until 2024. I do think many people will be coming here by then. Now is the time to domestic travel and take advantage of low rates and no crowds.

Agree...the bargains are just astounding...I'm currently in a large room overlooking Chalong Bay and paid B5200 for a week (7 nites). I have a pool access deluxe room with brekkie booking at a beachfront resort in Patong next week for B1200 a nite, and after that a "stay" at a huge 5-Star health and wellness resort in Rawai for $27 a nite.

[Pattaya Spotter]

9 minutes ago, texascsa said:

So I will be locked into Thailand for another 2 years without being able to visit the U.S.?

Consider yourself lucky.

[Bkktodd]

7 minutes ago, texascsa said:

So I will be locked into Thailand for another 2 years without being able to visit the U.S.?

How so?  I just came from the Florida USA in January and plan to return again in May. Quarantine wasnt fun but if you go to Texas you’ll be spared any quarantine.  A simple pesky covid test to go to the usa ...thats it.  

[ChrisKC]

For any potential visitors in numbers to these shores again, there will have to be more than empty predictions. I think many people are hoping for an easing of the pandemic because of mass vaccinations but will that really happen?  For there to be real confidence (not only for Thailand) but for mass tourism, there needs to be a virtually covid-free world.

 

In any event, nobody is going to book anything for 2024 at this time and nobody here has that time available to make plans that can be anything like sure they will come to fruition.

 

This pandemic is still a nightmare!

[mickymouse1]

Congratulations, next.

[2530Ubon]

Silly idiot pretending everything is ok. Has he forgotten about the coup in Myanmar? Most of the world acknowledges that when the people of Myanmar start to flee, the first place they're going to go is here; Thailand.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-politics-thailand-karen-idUSKBN2BA1P8

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Thai authorities are bracing for a surge of refugees and have set aside areas to shelter more than 43,000 people in Mae Sot district, according to plans seen by Reuters.

Thai army colonel Prasan Henprasert said border patrols had been increased.

“If there are clashes then we have to assess the situation and have areas prepared,” he said.

“Based on our experience, many people may cross and go back when the situation is safer because they have their homes on the other side.”

 

 

Until the 1st of Feb (Coup day) Myanmar was reporting 500 or so COVID-19 cases a day. Now that protesters are in the streets and the miltary has taken over, there are daily reports of a handful of patients - under 20 every day. So, either the military is firing magical covid curing bullets at the people, or the military junta isn't keeping tabs on contact tracing efforts. When they start to flee into Thailand, they'll bring covid with them. And there goes Thailand's tourism re-start. One would assume that's another reason for the dollars massive increase - sitting at 31.15 this morning, compared to 29.89 on the 31st of January. Thailand is going to be far too busy dealing with refugees, illegal crossings and covid to be worried about tourism.

[digibum]

I always get a chuckle when people think that farangs are the target audience.  Pre-Covid, Thailand's arrivals were about 40 million.  Over 21 million of that number came from China and ASEAN countries.  

 

In fact, non-ASEAN countries like Korea, Japan, and India individually sent more tourists than any single farang country.    

 

I've been hearing the "Thailand's tourism is dead" mantra for well over 20 years and Thailand's tourism demise has yet to happen.  

 

So, anybody saying that people aren't going to return because of dual pricing has already demonstrated they don't know what they're talking about.  

 

That said, a few months back, I thought I remembered the Thai government (i.e. not a TAT spokesman) saying that post-COVID they didn't want a repeat of what just happened and would be scaling back tourism expectations in terms of arrivals and tourism's contribution to GDP.  There was a whole thing about how they were going to promote more foreign investment in order to reduce their reliance on tourism.  

 

I wish they would stick with that plan.  

 

China could easily turn off the flow of tourists and Thailand would, again, be facing hard times in areas heavily dependent on tourism.  

 

Plus the burden on transportation and the environment are too taxing with mass tourism.  

 

But, sadly, they'll probably go chasing mass tourism the second restrictions are lifted.  

 

4 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Even when all the problems were happening with the "red" and "yellow" shirts, with shootings and grenades being thrown, the airport being taken over, the (former) PM fleeing to escape a prison sentence and military coups - the number of arrivals kept climbing !! (Apparently the tourists didn't pay any attention to the TVF members who back then claimed that all those things would kill tourism.)

 

LOL, I with there was a list of all of the things that TVF members said would kill Thai tourism that came and passed and Thailand's tourism only grew.  This list is so long that it might crash the TVF database.  LOL.  

 

And how many people have been predicting that a 20% or 30% loss of tourism would crash the Thai economy and send the entire country back to some pre-feudal existence?   

 

Well, Thai tourism went to 0 and Thailand's economy performed better than many of these folks' home countries.  

 

[digibum]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Very low infection fatality rates seem common in Asian countries.^{8,11,29,48,49,51,59,61,67} A younger population in these countries (excluding Japan), previous immunity from exposure to other coronaviruses, genetic differences, hygiene etiquette, lower infectious load and other unknown factors may explain these low rates. The infection fatality rate is low also in low-income countries in both Asia and Africa,^44,49,66,67 perhaps reflecting the young age structure. However, comorbidities, poverty, frailty (e.g. malnutrition) and congested urban living circumstances may have an adverse effect on risk and thus increase infection fatality rate.

 

Why do I keep hearing about Thailand aging-out?  

 

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Thailand is already an aging society.

About ten million Thais have passed the age of 60, which amounts to 15% of the population. By 2030, this number will rise to 25%. Our declining birth rate and rising life expectancy are driving the change.

 

 

https://www.scbeic.com/th/detail/product/1191

 

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Considered as one of the world’s rapidly aged societies, Thailand will become a full- fledged ageing society in 2021, when the number of people aged 60 and above would account for 20% of population and will rise to 28% by 2031 when the country becomes a super-aged society.

 

https://thaibusinessbox.com/thailands-age-problem

 

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According to these conventional measures (such as proportion of older persons, median age, old age dependency ratio), Thailand is considered one of the world’s rapidly aged societies.

 

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd_egm_201902_s3_vipanprachuabmoh.pdf

 

 

 

[digibum]

1 hour ago, ChrisKC said:

For any potential visitors in numbers to these shores again, there will have to be more than empty predictions. I think many people are hoping for an easing of the pandemic because of mass vaccinations but will that really happen?  For there to be real confidence (not only for Thailand) but for mass tourism, there needs to be a virtually covid-free world.

 

In any event, nobody is going to book anything for 2024 at this time and nobody here has that time available to make plans that can be anything like sure they will come to fruition.

 

This pandemic is still a nightmare!

 

While I somewhat agree that 2024 might be too aggressive a timeline, I do think there are many people champing at the bit to travel.  

 

The first wave will be those traveling out of necessity.  Digital nomads, sex tourists, social media influencers, people with wives/gfs in Thailand, people who have had job offers shelved during the pandemic, etc.  

 

Then will be a second wave of people who have a higher risk tolerance than the general population and want to soak up the deals before they disappear.  Probably younger people but also a good mix of people on the older end of the spectrum who flock here for retirement visas to get out of their home country.  

 

The third wave will be the general public and that will probably come in two distinct waves of lone travelers and then later first-timers and families.  

 

I think 2021 and part of 2022 are the first wave.  Late 2022 - 2023 is the second wave.  And the final wave starts in 2024 but probably doesn't hit pre-covid numbers until 2025 or 2026.  

[malthebluff]

5 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Agreed.
Keep  in mind that pre-pandemic they were almost at the 40 mil arrivals mark.
IF the vaccinations work (iffy as they never really had a chance to properly research and test them before they went into mass production) they will start letting people back in. And around the world, life will return to a semblance of normalcy and people who've been cooped up at home will be itching to travel.

(A lot of people have this weird notion that the entire planet has been out of work since the crisis began and therefore have no money. Which is really dumb. Even in Thailand, the vast majority of people are still working. Just not as many in the touristy spots, which some seem to think is the only thing people do in this country even though International Tourism only accounts for 12-16% of the total GDP. Gee, I wonder what makes up the other 84-88% of the GDP if tourism is the only thing keeping the country running ?) 

3 years to get back to where they were at the end of 2019 basically. Once the virus has been contained (more or less) and things start getting back to normal, people will start travelling again.

And 99.9999% won't even know about "random" lockdowns (which is BS to begin with as there were NO "random" lockdowns), which wouldn't be an issue anyways. If the vaccinations and containment have been effective.
Just like 99.9999% won't have a clue about the racism present. (Most of the tourists that come here have no clue about things like double pricing because they never see it. It's the expats and "genuine tourists" living here on multiple tourist visas that see the things like foreigners being charged 5-10 times more than the locals to see the same trees and waterfalls or whatever.)

THINK about it. Tourism numbers dropped the year after the Tsunami in the Andaman Sea (which devastated Phuket amongst other places). Up to 2004 the numbers had been steadily increasing. They dropped in 2005 (because of the Tsunami) and then reached a new high in 2006. One year was all it took before they started getting even more tourists than before the Tsunami.

Even when all the problems were happening with the "red" and "yellow" shirts, with shootings and grenades being thrown, the airport being taken over, the (former) PM fleeing to escape a prison sentence and military coups - the number of arrivals kept climbing !! (Apparently the tourists didn't pay any attention to the TVF members who back then claimed that all those things would kill tourism.)

In fact, the numbers were climbing so fast that within a couple years of opening the new Suvarnabhumi airport, they had already reached it's maximum capacity and they had to start the first expansion years earlier than originally planned. Phase 2 was also started early and they just announced approval for another major upgrade.
(One of the reasons U-Tapao was expanded and the road networks improved in Rayong/Chon Buri was to try and divert some of the air traffic from Suvarnabhumi to U-Tapao to reduce the strain.)

They won't get 40 mil arrivals overnight. If they are able to let people in this year, they might get a couple million by the end of the year. Next year would be more. 2023 might, if things are going well, be around half of the pre-pandemic level and maybe by the end of 2024 they could be close to the 40 mil mark again.

Here's a clue. A couple months ago it was announced that China had already passed the amount of exports (monthly) it had been doing before the pandemic. Which means two things.
Most of China is still working (and probably dying to go on holiday somewhere).
Most of the world is still buying whatever China is exporting (meaning most of the world is still working and making money).

But it all hinges on the vaccinations and containment of the virus. If those are effective, tourists will start returning to Thailand and they will - easily - pass the numbers they were receiving before pandemic.

And all the "doom and gloomers" who think everything is the "straw that will break the back" of tourism in Thailand will have to find a new straw to whine about. Just like they do whenever there is an alcohol ban and they chime up that it will (yawn) be that "straw" then have to watch as even more tourists arrive despite their claims.

 

I agree and well writen 

[Freigeist365]

3 hours ago, shackleton said:

Why don't they wait until people have been vaccinated 

And the Corivirus numbers around the world are decreasing 

Then maybe come out with some realistic future numbers on when tourists will be arriving here in Thailand ?

We are hearing different numbers daily with out any good reasons why

OMG!!! Another one ( Corivirus ) coming? Damn, we've not even made it half way over the old one... ????

Edited March 26, 2021 by Freigeist365

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, Bangkocker said:

I say 'respectfully' thank you. BTW I often refer to myself as a boofhead when it's obvious that I deserve the title. To say such ridiculous things that Thailand won't have the tourism that was stated by the official and in a disrespectful way is meritorious of being in the buffoon region.

 

I would take it that as the first poster has 9 icon likes and nine laughing icons, the majority disagree with your take.

[DPKANKAN]

21 hours ago, colinneil said:

Dream on pal, aint gonna happen, not in my life time anyway.

Must be Arkhoms turn to make a BS statement, get his name in the media.????????

Is that why they are upgrading Swampy to handle 90 odd million or some other ludicrous figure!!!!5555????????????????

[newnative]

26 minutes ago, digibum said:

I always get a chuckle when people think that farangs are the target audience.  Pre-Covid, Thailand's arrivals were about 40 million.  Over 21 million of that number came from China and ASEAN countries.  

 

In fact, non-ASEAN countries like Korea, Japan, and India individually sent more tourists than any single farang country.    

 

I've been hearing the "Thailand's tourism is dead" mantra for well over 20 years and Thailand's tourism demise has yet to happen.  

 

So, anybody saying that people aren't going to return because of dual pricing has already demonstrated they don't know what they're talking about.  

 

That said, a few months back, I thought I remembered the Thai government (i.e. not a TAT spokesman) saying that post-COVID they didn't want a repeat of what just happened and would be scaling back tourism expectations in terms of arrivals and tourism's contribution to GDP.  There was a whole thing about how they were going to promote more foreign investment in order to reduce their reliance on tourism.  

 

I wish they would stick with that plan.  

 

China could easily turn off the flow of tourists and Thailand would, again, be facing hard times in areas heavily dependent on tourism.  

 

Plus the burden on transportation and the environment are too taxing with mass tourism.  

 

But, sadly, they'll probably go chasing mass tourism the second restrictions are lifted.  

 

 

LOL, I with there was a list of all of the things that TVF members said would kill Thai tourism that came and passed and Thailand's tourism only grew.  This list is so long that it might crash the TVF database.  LOL.  

 

And how many people have been predicting that a 20% or 30% loss of tourism would crash the Thai economy and send the entire country back to some pre-feudal existence?   

 

Well, Thai tourism went to 0 and Thailand's economy performed better than many of these folks' home countries.  

 

     So true; I chuckle, too.  Throw in India and some other Asian countries and it's closer to 25 million.  Meanwhile, Europe and North America is a fraction of that.   Nevertheless, remarks on Thailand's tourism on T-V almost always have a western slant, as if only western tourism somehow counted.

      Earlier in this thread someone remarked that tourism will remain dead in Thailand in part because of the cost of long-distance travel.  Never mind that many of those 25 million tourists in 2019 had flights of 6 hours or less.  Bangkok to Tokyo, 6 hours.  Beijing, 5.2 hours.  Mumbai, 4.2 hours.  Shanghai, 3.2 hours.  Seoul, 5.3 hours.  Etc.

    In addition to long flights being a supposed tourism killer, often air pollution, the political situation, over-run facilities, dual-pricing, strength of the baht, and better bargains elsewhere will be thrown out, as well.  None of this, as you say, had put the brakes on Asian tourism to Thailand, pre-covid, and none of it will likely do so in the future once things open up again.  I spent a drearily smoggy, drizzly, cold winter week in China a couple years ago and when I got on the plane back to warm, sunny Thailand I could see why the jet was filled with Chinese making a short escape.

[NeoDinosaw]

21 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

 

 

At the end of the day, nobody really knows how travel will rebound, you might as well just break out the crystal ball.

 

 

The crystal ball was found to be broken already

[RedRoadRunner]

22 hours ago, colinneil said:

Dream on pal, aint gonna happen, not in my life time anyway.

Must be Arkhoms turn to make a BS statement, get his name in the media.????????

Yes sure, it’s really funny how people come up with these number, ????????

[fa lang 66]

4 hours ago, Bangkocker said:

I believe it will happen by the end of 2022.  Why not ?? Prime destination, many have been captive for so long and wide spread use of vaccine globally. Only boofheads (maybe you) who think the vaccine is some diabolical global plan probably won't be allowed in.

You could get a job with the TAT with that BS.

The prime destination and by the end of 2022 comment tells everyone that maybe your the boofhead.

Thailand has been on the decline since 2016 and unless they rain in the Baht. People will just stay away.

[Dialemco]

The simple answer is no one actually knows when International Tourism will resume until the viras is really under control which will not occur until vaccination programmes rolled out in every country. This is unlikely to occur in the near future definitely not this year

[Toby1947]

8 hours ago, caulfield2 said:

I have lived in Wuhan (and continue to) the last seven years.

 

Nobody is entering China until at least after the February 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics.

Even with one of the now five Chinese vaccines, there's no guarantee to foreigners we can leave or re-enter, or, best case scenario, go through HK into the mainland after a 14 day quarantine even with the vaccine.

 

Many medical personnel (I know a nurse who is refusing) and roughly 90% of private and public company employees are refusing to get the vaccines here, even for free.

 

Without herd immunity, it's going to take well over a year from now, likely the summer of 2022, before ANYTHING starts to approximate normal.

We still wear masks on subways/buses/into shopping malls something like 8 or 9 months after the last active SINGLE case of Covid-19 in Wuhan.

 

They're not going to dare to let the Brazilian variant into the country.  They want to control the narrative over the Olympics, boycott, spats with the EU/US/UK, vaccine wars against the west and over the developing world...and now the Xinjiang/cotton issue.

No way in hell anyone from China will be allowed to travel back and forth to countries whose local population haven't reached herd immunity, even though we only have like 2.5% of the population immunized here.

No great loss to society and the rest of the world. 

[DBath]

Responding to this k-wrap is such a waste of time, because at this point nobody knows what 2024 will bring. It’s sure not going to bring 40 million tourists. Well, who knows, maybe all other continents will take on water and everyone who survives will flee here.