Disease Control Dept. insists Thai seafood vendor had COVID-19 before inoculation

[webfact]

 

Thailand’s Disease Control Department said today (Sunday) that the vendor, who was thought to have become infected with COVID-19 after she was vaccinated was, in fact, infected prior to inoculation.

 

The department’s deputy director-general, Dr. Sophon Iamsirsithavorn, said today that the 29-year seafood vendor, at Kitti Market in the Bang Khae district of Bangkok, was tested on March 13th, which was negative and she did not exhibit any symptom related to the disease.

 

He said, however, that the vendor lived in a high-risk environment and the second test confirmed her infection.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/disease-control-dept-insists-thai-seafood-vendor-had-covid-19-before-inoculation/

 

 

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[RichardColeman]

16 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s Disease Control Department said today (Sunday) that the vendor, who was thought to have become infected with COVID-19 after she was vaccinated was, in fact, infected prior to inoculation.

Whilst I do not disagree with this 'theory' , there is absolutely no proof given that she did get it previously and Thailand's CDC appears tp be speculating on assumption rather than any actual documented evidence. I hate to think of a CDC (any CDC) working and planning on speculation only

[ukrules]

31 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s Disease Control Department said today (Sunday) that the vendor, who was thought to have become infected with COVID-19 after she was vaccinated was, in fact, infected prior to inoculation.

 

Of course she was, it's a non event.

 

[Albert Zweistein]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Whilst I do not disagree with this 'theory' , there is absolutely no proof given that she did get it previously and Thailand's CDC appears tp be speculating on assumption rather than any actual documented evidence. I hate to think of a CDC (any CDC) working and planning on speculation only

CDC ? What are you smoking or is it to much Chang ?

[YetAnother]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

who was thought to have become infected with COVID-19 after she was vaccinated was, in fact, infected prior to inoculation.

no way to know; but follow the thai mantra : deny,deny,deny, blameshift

[LeamchabangLarry]

freaking morons

[internationalism]

in an earlier report about this very case states, that her first test results were not disclosed to her, she has never received any phone call/sms.

the authorities might have lost her results and there were inconclusive.

 

now they confirm that she was negative.

 

that might be just a play to come down the panic, which they have caused in the first place, by reporting this non event 

 

 

[Kaoboi Bebobp]

Good bloody grief. Eight days is not enough time to develop antibodies to COVID19. Why haven't the Thai health authorities pointed out this simple fact? 

 

You need minimum 14 days from injection, but are more likely to really develop antibodies anywhere from 21 to 28 days afterward, especially true of the AZ vaccine, which seems to get stronger.

 

Haven't a clue about the Sinopharm vaccine, since there's precious little data on it, but I assume the same 14 days and out applies. 

 

A non-story until they do a contact and trace.

[2530Ubon]

35 minutes ago, Kaoboi Bebobp said:

Good bloody grief. Eight days is not enough time to develop antibodies to COVID19. Why haven't the Thai health authorities pointed out this simple fact? 

 

You need minimum 14 days from injection, but are more likely to really develop antibodies anywhere from 21 to 28 days afterward, especially true of the AZ vaccine, which seems to get stronger.

 

Haven't a clue about the Sinopharm vaccine, since there's precious little data on it, but I assume the same 14 days and out applies. 

 

A non-story until they do a contact and trace.

Actually, vaccines don't prevent you from becoming infected, they prevent you from becoming sick/hospitalised.

[Kaoboi Bebobp]

54 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Actually, vaccines don't prevent you from becoming infected, they prevent you from becoming sick/hospitalised.

 

I didn't say anything about preventing infection. I only referred to the time needed by the vaccine to be able to fully prime the body's defence systems, which includes producing antibodies and other cellular defences. From the Mayo Clinic below:

 

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Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine. This type of vaccine uses genetically engineered mRNA to give your cells instructions for how to make a harmless piece of the S protein found on the surface of the COVID-19 virus. After vaccination, your immune cells begin making the S protein pieces and displaying them on cell surfaces. This causes your body to create antibodies. If you become infected with the COVID-19 virus, these antibodies will fight the virus.

After the mRNA helps your cells make the protein pieces, the mRNA is immediately broken down. It never enters the nucleus of your cells, where your DNA is kept. Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines use mRNA.

Vector vaccine. In this type of vaccine, genetic material from the COVID-19 virus is inserted into a different kind of weakened live virus, such as an adenovirus. The weakened virus (viral vector) serves as a delivery system. When the viral vector gets into your cells, it delivers genetic material from the COVID-19 virus that gives your cells instructions to make copies of the S protein. Once your cells display the S proteins on their surfaces, your immune system responds by creating antibodies and defensive white blood cells. If you become infected with the COVID-19 virus, the antibodies will fight the virus.

Viral vector vaccines can't cause you to become infected with the COVID-19 virus or the viral vector virus. Also, the genetic material that's delivered doesn't become part of your DNA. The Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is a vector vaccine. AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford are also working on a vector COVID-19 vaccine.

 

[2530Ubon]

53 minutes ago, Kaoboi Bebobp said:

 

I didn't say anything about preventing infection. I only referred to the time needed by the vaccine to be able to fully prime the body's defence systems, which includes producing antibodies and other cellular defences.

Yes, but my point was that it's a non-story not because the vaccine hasn't had enough time to create antibodies, but due to the nature of the vaccine. People will still test positive because they can still be infected with COVID... vaccines prevent death, not infection (in most cases).

[onthedarkside]

On 3/29/2021 at 11:11 AM, 2530Ubon said:

Actually, vaccines don't prevent you from becoming infected, they prevent you from becoming sick/hospitalised.

 

There's apparent good news on that front in the past couple days with a new US CDC study/report saying the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are 80-90% effective in actually preventing CV infections.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

 

Interim Estimates of Vaccine Effectiveness of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Health Care Personnel, First Responders, and Other Essential and Frontline Workers — Eight U.S. Locations, December 2020–March 2021

Early Release / March 29, 2021 / 70

 

"Estimated mRNA vaccine effectiveness for prevention of infection, adjusted for study site, was 90% for full immunization [both recommended shots] and 80% for partial immunization [first of two shots only]. These findings indicate that authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective for preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, regardless of symptom status, among working-age adults in real-world conditions. COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for all eligible persons."