Pokati Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Hi, Great thread with a lot of info. I'm having a few questions regarding my personal situation. I'm living and working in Thailand 4 years. I'm officially married to my thai wife for 1.5 years (traditionally married almost 2). My income and taxes paid will not be a problem for the naturalisation process. However since recently I am considering to change my career at some point later on. I might even want to take up a study for a while. So for me the time the whole application process takes is a consideration in the process. Basically I would have 4 options: Do nothing and have marriage visa if I would stop working Get PR, which would take about a year Get citizenship, which in the best case for what I’ve read would take 2 years, but more likely 3 If possible start both the PR and the citizenship process at the same time. So my questions: Do I need to keep working during the process of both PR and citizenship. I saw some posts which seem to confirm this Would I be able to apply considering I’m married for only 1.5 years? Would it make sense to start both processes, pr and citizenship, at the same time? As sort of a double chance for permanent status Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabbaGabbaHey Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Pokati said: So my questions: Do I need to keep working during the process of both PR and citizenship. I saw some posts which seem to confirm this Would I be able to apply considering I’m married for only 1.5 years? Would it make sense to start both processes, pr and citizenship, at the same time? As sort of a double chance for permanent status Hello, To my knowledge: 1) Yes 2) Without children you can't apply before you've reached 3 years of marriage 3) Based on the previous one, it seems you can only apply for PR at the moment PR has an advantage over marriage visa, it will give you some security where you will no longer rely on your spouse (nor your employer) to reside in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokati Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, GabbaGabbaHey said: Hello, To my knowledge: 1) Yes 2) Without children you can't apply before you've reached 3 years of marriage 3) Based on the previous one, it seems you can only apply for PR at the moment PR has an advantage over marriage visa, it will give you some security where you will no longer rely on your spouse (nor your employer) to reside in the country. Thanks, PR it will be to start with. If I'm still happily employed afterwards I can continue for the citizenship immediately after. I'll move over to the PR thread then ? I'll be back here in 1.5 years possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Pokati said: Hi, Great thread with a lot of info. I'm having a few questions regarding my personal situation. I'm living and working in Thailand 4 years. I'm officially married to my thai wife for 1.5 years (traditionally married almost 2). My income and taxes paid will not be a problem for the naturalisation process. However since recently I am considering to change my career at some point later on. I might even want to take up a study for a while. So for me the time the whole application process takes is a consideration in the process. Basically I would have 4 options: Do nothing and have marriage visa if I would stop working Get PR, which would take about a year Get citizenship, which in the best case for what I’ve read would take 2 years, but more likely 3 If possible start both the PR and the citizenship process at the same time. So my questions: Do I need to keep working during the process of both PR and citizenship. I saw some posts which seem to confirm this Would I be able to apply considering I’m married for only 1.5 years? Would it make sense to start both processes, pr and citizenship, at the same time? As sort of a double chance for permanent status Many thanks I'd suggest get your Citizenship application in immediately. Why waster 5 years getting a PR? It takes 2 + years at the moment, which passes quickly. You need to keep working for 1 year I'd say after making your application until the Ministry of Interior interview. After that, I think you would get away without having to prove that you're working. It's the 3 previous years that are of utmost importance. Just my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 11:49 PM, khongaeng said: For me no news means frustrating waiting with nothing to update. It has been a long time since someone reported that they got called for their MOI interview. I would love to hear if anyone has been interviewed at all this year. My hope still remains that somehow I’m able to clear the MOI hurdle before a next years elections. A watched kettle never boils! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabbaGabbaHey Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said: I'd suggest get your Citizenship application in immediately. Married less than 3 years and no child... he does not qualify at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWW Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 11:49 PM, khongaeng said: For me no news means frustrating waiting with nothing to update. It has been a long time since someone reported that they got called for their MOI interview. I would love to hear if anyone has been interviewed at all this year. My hope still remains that somehow I’m able to clear the MOI hurdle before a next years elections. The MoI interviews are going at a rate of one per month, at the moment. The last one was on 2018-09-14 (last Friday). It seems that at the moment, there is about a two-year wait between the documents being sent from Special Branch to the MoI, and being called for the MoI interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mal129 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Wow what a great thread! Thanks to all that contributed. Trying to get through it. I see by all accounts you need to WP for at least 3 years to qualify. Is it possible to apply for citizenship being only married to a Thai and having a child together with that Thai? (no WP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, mal129 said: I see by all accounts you need to WP for at least 3 years to qualify. Is it possible to apply for citizenship being only married to a Thai and having a child together with that Thai? (no WP) You have to be working with a work permit and paying taxes for 3 years to apply for citizenship. There is no other way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:59 AM, SWW said: The MoI interviews are going at a rate of one per month, at the moment. The last one was on 2018-09-14 (last Friday). It seems that at the moment, there is about a two-year wait between the documents being sent from Special Branch to the MoI, and being called for the MoI interview. I read recently on this thread that it was around 10 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualtrough Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 16 hours ago, Neeranam said: I read recently on this thread that it was around 10 months. It would be wonderful if that is correct. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabbaGabbaHey Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, qualtrough said: It would be wonderful if that is correct. Anyone? I can't remember having read that precisely but it's however possible. When I compute figures based on facts from recent applicants, I see the process has some 3+ year timeline those days: 1 year for gathering documents and having SB process them including requests for amendments, then when the file is transferred from SB to MOI one more year to get scheduled the interview and obtain the subsequent approval, finally one more year to complete the rest (signatures, oath, gazette...). So technically, theoretically and on the paper... yes, 8-10 months seems aligned with this. I should be able to confirm or invalidate soon as I'm currently 6+ months after SB transferred my application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielcondo Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Hi All, need some advise regarding the Renunciation letter, basically I have applied for Thai citizenship and my application is at the Interior Ministry at the moment awaiting the interview date, I have a contact inside who told me that my letter did not clearly state that I was willing to give up my current citizenship when I become Thai and they want me to go to the Canadian Embassy and make a new one. In all honesty I clearly wrote on the letter that the Canadians have no issue with me applying for thai citizenship or me giving it up, however the Thais want me to write categorically that I will give it up. Personally i I want to keep both, I know a lot of foreigners with Thai nationality but have kept their original nationality as well, also I know a lot of Thais with dual nationality such as US , EU etc and they never have any issues as well. Im not comfortable with writing something like that specially as well as I’m not sure if the Canadians would make issues for me in the future as well even though they officially allow dual nationality. Anyone been in a smiliar situation ? Your feedback would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 It is basically a declaration of intent. A few years ago I did it at the British Embassy and they had a laugh. Basically, I could declare anything and they would endorse it then (a little bit more difficult now). At the end of the day it is up to you whether you follow up on it or not. I intend to do a lot of things but I probably will never do half of them. Have a word with a Canadian consular official, explain your predicament and I am sure they will do it for you. BTW I still have my British passport. My intentions have since changed. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielcondo Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Thanks for the feedback, did you already get your Thai citizenship ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guns Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I did the same as Garry & I'm now Thai British and loving it. Don't worry about the letter of intent as its0 only an issue for countries that don't allow dual citizenship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Surprised as i cant imagine the SB forwarding a application to the moi without this critical document. How do you know that your file is at the moi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielcondo Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I actually showed the SB guys the letter and they all said it looked fine and all the interviews went through fine last year, the file was sent to MOI late last year , luckily I do have some links in the SB and MOI so I was pushing them to get some information about the timeframe for the interview , they told me my letter had some issues now since it didn’t clearly state I would give it up. So they expect me to go make a new one, I’m going to have a talk with them again tomorrow to see if it can be sorted out without making another trip to the embassy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, danielcondo said: I actually showed the SB guys the letter and they all said it looked fine and all the interviews went through fine last year, the file was sent to MOI late last year , luckily I do have some links in the SB and MOI so I was pushing them to get some information about the timeframe for the interview , they told me my letter had some issues now since it didn’t clearly state I would give it up. So they expect me to go make a new one, I’m going to have a talk with them again tomorrow to see if it can be sorted out without making another trip to the embassy SB actually has a pattern letter for you to give the embassy or write it as a sworn affidavit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Big Guns said: I did the same as Garry & I'm now Thai British and loving it. Don't worry about the letter of intent as its0 only an issue for countries that don't allow dual citizenship The British embassy stopped doing this letter of intention to give up British citizenship until further notice, meeting with home office. I just got in there on time, but who knows, the MOI might not be happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 13 hours ago, danielcondo said: Thanks for the feedback, did you already get your Thai citizenship ? Yes. I have both now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwarium Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 10:29 PM, qualtrough said: Awful quiet here lately! Hoping no news is good news. No news is... “The Story of My Thai Citizenship Application”! 51 months and 1 week, but who’s counting... ???? @danielcondo, I replied in your other thread about the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBike09 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 11:57 PM, Neeranam said: The British embassy stopped doing this letter of intention to give up British citizenship until further notice, meeting with home office. I just got in there on time, but who knows, the MOI might not be happy with it. Since when did the BE stop doing this letter (or rather, witnessing a declaration of intent to give up British Citizenship)? It looks like there may be new Home Office guidance as of start of this year. Nonetheless, if British by birth you still retain the right (once only) to get back your citizenship, if obliged to renounce it in order to obtain another nationality. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/677713/renunciation-of-all-types-of-british-nationality-v3.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/632943/registration-as-a-British-citizen-following-renunciation-v1.0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 19 hours ago, BKKBike09 said: Since when did the BE stop doing this letter (or rather, witnessing a declaration of intent to give up British Citizenship)? It looks like there may be new Home Office guidance as of start of this year. Nonetheless, if British by birth you still retain the right (once only) to get back your citizenship, if obliged to renounce it in order to obtain another nationality. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/677713/renunciation-of-all-types-of-british-nationality-v3.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/632943/registration-as-a-British-citizen-following-renunciation-v1.0.pdf May, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippybangkok Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 No news is... “The Story of My Thai Citizenship Application”! 51 months and 1 week, but who’s counting... ???? [mention=149490]danielcondo[/mention], I replied in your other thread about the letter. Still about and additional 30 months from my time Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwarium Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 @skippybangkok, Do you mean yours was about 80 months to completion? Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippybangkok Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 @skippybangkok, Do you mean yours was about 80 months to completion? Ouch. YepSent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielcondo Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Thanks for all the feedback guys, already had the letter made and rechecked that it would have no value since no official forms or declaration of renunciation was made, in fact they said i can tear up the letter if i dont need it after its done. On another positive note i got my interview date for later this month, fingers crossed all goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, danielcondo said: On another positive note i got my interview date for later this month, fingers crossed all goes well. What date are they doing the interview this month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I just got a new passport. I'm waiting for the MOI interview. Will going to interview with a different passport from the one I applied with cause any complications? What about the later processes, do I have to show my passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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