1 hour ago, Golden Triangle said:

I don't really care one way or another what people say about Thaksin or Yingluck, what I do know is that Thailand was better, happier country during both their tenures, the mob that currently occupies ( as in occupation ) the country are a bloody shambles, the sooner they get turfed out the better this place will be.

 

Come on young people, do your stuff and get rid of these dinosaurs.  ????

 

 

if wishes could come true.    there is however the usual obstacle to change :

 

 

 

9 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

Facile remark ! To accuse 'our home gov as corrupt as Thailand'.   Where do you come from. the Congo or some other African Republic

But don't forget corruption comes in many forms and has many masks.

Further, seems to me that many folks, all countries would have little hesitation to get into corruption given half a chance. 

11 hours ago, fishtank said:

She is of course correct but the Shinawatra mafia where not much better.

Which does rather pose a very interesting question. Would a Pheu Thai government, with Yingluck as Prime Minister have coped better with the Covid Pandemic than the Junta which deposed her and which is essentially still in power?

 

My view, as a not uncritical supporter of her and Pheu Thai is that yes, they probably would. I think that the government responses to the pandemic would have been far more tempered by concern and assistance for the "ordinary people". Both because I think that she would feel far more empathy than the current regime, and because her party, both the populist "redshirt" element and the business strand would have an eye on future electoral reaction to the success or otherwise of their policies.

Her brother was too much, but she was for the most ok, but the Junta and their shenanigans have made both of them look like babes in diapers. At least the common people stood a chance with them, and Thanatorn if him and his group weren’t savagely taken out. 

12 hours ago, fishtank said:

She is of course correct but the Shinawatra mafia where not much better.

Not much better.  But better,  but still a bit better.

And elected under democratic law.

10 hours ago, puck2 said:

 

I don't know, if Yingluck has her hairs dyed, but looking at Pinoccio's on photos you will see the black stain. A typical sign of old male Thais who want to hide something, a characterisation of the regime.

Never trust a man who dyes his hair.....if he cant be honest about his own hair what else is he trying to fool us about.

Look at all the great word leaders versus the terrible ones.......

I never really rated Yingluck as PM, but she is spot on with her assessment of the current Government, and hats off for being open on a public platform, 

However, do I think the current PM will be bothered about Yingluck comments,..... I doubt it very much,  and do I think the current PM will respond to her comments,.... Not in the least... 

16 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Former PM Yingluck should be in jail like her brother.

 

Let's not forget that Thaksin could still be PM in Thailand if he wasn't so greedy. He did some good things. And he was so openly corrupt that he basically told everybody: See what I am doing. I get away with everything.

He learned the hard way that he didn't get away with everything. Good.

And then he didn't learn from that and he though his little sister will get away with everything. She didn't. 

Both are wanted criminals and probably they will never be able to visit Thailand again - except to go to jail. 

That's the price for too much greed. 

I do not know much, if anything, about Thai politics or the Shinatras, but going by what I have read mostly here on Thaivisa since this unelected "PM" we have now took over, I do not think for a minute that as far as greed goes that the Shinatras come anywhere near this unelected "PM".

From what I understand the Shinatras were popular with the majority of Thailands poor people. There must have been a reason for that.

16 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I wonder how many Mercs Prayut has now. Couple of years ago the missus said 9 and let's not forget his little fat mate's watches.

I wonder what the unelected "PM"s offshore account was in 2014 compared to what it is now.

In other News, water is wet, the sun is hot, and the sky is blue.

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And one can only hope and pray that the current crop are somehow held responsible for their countless crimes against the people, and an intolerable degree of  ineptitude. 

I wonder if in the distant future, this unelected "PM" will end up like the Shinatras and be forced to live abroad to avoid prison in Thailand.

12 hours ago, Nsp64 said:

Never trust a man who dyes his hair.....if he cant be honest about his own hair what else is he trying to fool us about.

Look at all the great word leaders versus the terrible ones.......

I think that guys who dye their hair were mostly good looking when they were young and try to make their looks last as long as possible, and before anyone asks, the answer is yes.

24 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

Why what did she do that was similar??

Do you really expect that I explain that to you? If you would have been here and if you would have paid attention then you would know.

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

From what I understand the Shinatras were popular with the majority of Thailands poor people. There must have been a reason for that.

Was the Thaksin (Brother and sister) governments perfects and not corrupts?

Of course they weren't, however for the first time in Thailand history

the poor people in the rural areas were able to go hospital

even if they didn't have the money to pay for it, instead of diyng at home.

The farmers were able to send their child to better schools and even to the university, to buy a car, to built a house, it was a general improvment

70% of the people of Thailand, for the first time in Thailand history, had hope in a better future, it's also the only period where the poverty has declined in the country

 

The people in the big cities like Bangkok and in the prosperous areas

like Phuket were not very happy with the increase in the taxes and

they were especially horrified at the idea to lose their privileges

seeing the child from the poor Issan or northern Thailand farmers challenging their own child at the universities and later on the work and job market, enter in politics and so on

 

A part of the elites, including the ones we can not talk about here and the religious were worried to see people becoming more educated, that could call into question the traditional order and statu quo in the Thai society

 

it was time to teach these poors what was their real place

and to send them back to their fields and to their life in debts

hence the coup, and the poverty is again on the rise since 2014

 

All the numbers are available if you google it

Edited May 24, 20215 yr by kingofthemountain

6 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

Was the Thaksin (Brother and sister) governments perfects and not corrupts?

Of course they weren't, however for the first time in Thailand history

the poor people in the rural areas were able to go hospital

even if they didn't have the money to pay for it, instead of diyng at home.

The farmers were able to send their child to better schools and even to the university, to buy a car, to built a house, it was a general improvment

70% of the people of Thailand, for the first time in Thailand history, had hope in a better future, it's also the only period where the poverty has declined in the country

 

The people in the big cities like Bangkok and in the prosperous areas

like Phuket were not very happy with the increase in the taxes and

they were especially horrified at the idea to lose their privileges

seeing the child from the poor Issan or northern Thailand farmers challenging their own child at the universities and later on the work and job market, enter in politics and so on

 

A part of the elites, including the ones we can not talk about here and the religious were worried to see people becoming more educated, that could call into question the traditional order and statu quo in the Thai society

 

it was time to teach these poors what was their real place

and to send them back to their fields and to their life in debts

hence the coup, and the poverty is again on the rise since 2014

 

All the numbers are available if you google it

That's all very interesting and I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but even just this morning I have read different things about them, and certainly as you say poverty is on the rise, and things have changed very much for the worse under this unelected "PM", and that was even before this Chinese virus.

3 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I wonder if in the distant future, this unelected "PM" will end up like the Shinatras and be forced to live abroad to avoid prison in Thailand.

One can only hope he will end up disgraced. Or exiled. Unlikely he will ever face jail time. But, knowing his disposition, if he ever faced charges, or danger of even the most meager variety, he would run for the hills as fast as he could. To label him as an imposter and a coward would be an injustice to imposters and cowards. 

The ironic thing is that with all the corruption and faults of Yinkluck and he brother they still appear attractive when compared to the current situation.  

16 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

The ironic thing is that with all the corruption and faults of Yinkluck and he brother they still appear attractive when compared to the current situation.  

That makes perfect sense

 

the Shinawatra were already multi millinnaires in business before to be in political power, they probably have used this political power to increase their wealth, but they were also smart enough to understand that if the ordinary Thai people have more money, it's a win for all the

society, including the Taksin's business, more money in people pockets = more money to spend in stuff like cars, phones, houses and so on

 

they wanted to increase the size of the cake and let everyone eat a part of it

 

The actual ones in power are making money only because of their political position (You don't become a multi millionnaire only with an army general wage) and they don't care nor want to increase the size of the cake, because they let only few people eat a part of it, the ones with the stomach already full, so the actual size is more than enough to feed the 1% of the wealthy owning already 70% of the total Thailand wealth

 

It's 2 totally opposed and different views on a society as a whole system, and most of the people know perfectly what is the best.

 

Of course the 1% still disagree 

and they have the power 

Edited May 24, 20215 yr by kingofthemountain

23 hours ago, dinsdale said:

And it's not here. The entire govt is military, police or mates.

They do the leg work. They do very well out of it. But the strings are, ultimately held, by some one else.

23 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Both are wanted criminals and probably they will never be able to visit Thailand again - except to go to jail. 

This regime, which ousted the Shinawatras was put in place, rewrote the constitution and rigged the electoral system to ensure that they will remain in power, permanently. The regime is very unpopular, and the incompetent and self serving way in which it has (mis)managed the Covid pandemic has greatly deepened that unpopularity. Inevitably the result of this will, at some time, be a spectacular downfall (possibly violent) which will result in very far reaching changes. 

 

If Thaksin is still alive when that happens, he will return. Yingluck will return, probably not to politics. 

That will be in the hands of a younger generation.

7 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

 

Most of the cases against Thaksin were Conflict of interest as he used his position to better his business interests i.e the bank loan to Myamar money to buy his company yes exactly it was a loan. Not like this lot who take from tax payers coffers and take from the Desolate and Needy at every opportunity.
That War on drugs number 2500 is very misleading as it's the total number of people who died in Thailand over a period of 3 months which was a little higher than normal and most not even connected to the war on drugs. That number originally came from a story reported by AFP which they later pulled because they had no evidence. But other sources continue quoting it.
 

 

Why what did she do that was similar??

 

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Do you really expect that I explain that to you? If you would have been here and if you would have paid attention then you would know.

Well, she won the election which put her into power. As did her elder brother. That was quite similar.

 

They were both removed from power by a military coup when in response to politically orchestrated mass protests, they called elections, and were very obviously on the way to winning them. That was quite similar.

 

They were both replaced by Junta governments which put them on trial on charges which wouldn't hold up in a court not controlled by the Junta. That was quite similar.

 

They both worked out that if they disappeared into Junta controlled imprisonment that they were unlikely to emerge alive, so they went into exile. That was quite similar.

 

They both had remarkably easy "contrived" escapes into exile. That was quite similar.

 

They are both regarded by some enthusiasts for "the smack of firm (military) government" on this forum as the reason why the Thai electorate should be cheated and ignored when it comes to electing who governs them - despite those same enthusiasts coming from countries where they themselves have benefited from democratic government for quite some time.

That is quite similar.

 

I could go on but perhaps this is enough to answer the question.

Not much on details and nowhere does article say where she is located and how she is supporting herself now.

 

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Not much on details and nowhere does article say where she is located and how she is supporting herself now.

 

Honestly I dont think she needs to launch a go fund me campaign

On 5/23/2021 at 8:47 AM, fishtank said:

She is of course correct but the Shinawatra mafia where not much better.

Oh yes they were! They weren't mafia, they were democratically elected governments.

Off topic posts about Thaksin and his war on drugs and the replies have been removed.