pixelaoffy Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, koratkarlos said: My issue is that I have heard very little about the production from Siam Bioscience. Has it been tested on people here in Thailand? And if there are issues why the big announcements concerning registration on 7-June. So I am not surprised. It is difficult for any factory to ramp up production. But I would really like to plan out what to do. I was going for the AstraZeneca sooner then the Pfizer or Moderna via private hospital maybe in December. But maybe I should just go back to the US and get this done properly. I just don't know what the truth is. The 'truth is ' .you will be continually lied to in Thailand on this . ..... I mean you have up to now .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said: Second AZ dose 'after 16 weeks So first dose in July and second dose in October?? Interesting? Pfizer, 2 doses 21 days apart. Moderna, 2 does 28 days apart. J&J, one dose. Anyway,TIT. Meanwhile, the UK has shortened the time for the second dose from 12 weeks to 8 weeks to give better protection against the variants discovered in India and S. Africa that have now been discovered in Thailand I hope we are not sitting on a ticking time-bomb. Edited May 25, 2021 by petedk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurien Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 "The report did not give details on the shortfall. Representatives of Siam Bioscience were not available for comment" this is very unusual, normally they love standard phrases like "a total misunderstanding" "a misconception of the other partner", "driving on an unknown road with fog coming up", "unexpected break failure" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, mfd101 said: So, Sinovac it is. As the experts keep telling us, any vac is better than none. The risk to your well-being from the disease is far far far greater than the risk to your well-being from any vac. Thank you benevolent Chinese Communist Party guvamint. We look forward to doing more business in the future. I think it is down to some back alley vaccine shot at Soi Cowboy; "Hey, Farang, you! you! have vaccine China, vely good! you take! 10,000 Baht!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, placeholder said: Actually, I believe it's Astra Zeneca, not Siam Bioscence, that is contractually obliged to provide the vaccines. That said, it did fail to live up to its contract with the EU so there's that. Can contracts be injected? Asking for a lawyer friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, placeholder said: Actually, I believe it's Astra Zeneca, not Siam Bioscence, that is contractually obliged to provide the vaccines. That said, it did fail to live up to its contract with the EU so there's that. EDIT just read the full article I stand corrected thanks Edited May 25, 2021 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 hours ago, ukrules said: It would be a shame if they broke the terms of their contract and it was terminated for some reason. Like denying vaccines to foreigners or something like that. Something like that would be a real shame. They are committed to procuring the vaccine from other sources if they can't deliver. The trouble with that is that all the other suppliers almost certainly have orders for their full production and Thailand will be last in the queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, koratkarlos said: My issue is that I have heard very little about the production from Siam Bioscience. Has it been tested on people here in Thailand? And if there are issues why the big announcements concerning registration on 7-June. So I am not surprised. It is difficult for any factory to ramp up production. But I would really like to plan out what to do. I was going for the AstraZeneca sooner then the Pfizer or Moderna via private hospital maybe in December. But maybe I should just go back to the US and get this done properly. I just don't know what the truth is. It's all over the news, but mostly in Thai. They're working in conjunction with AZ. With them helping to certify everything is up to snuff. I kinda felt this was coming. So we gave up and are headed back in a few weeks for the Pfizer jab. It's good with the Indian variant, which will become prominent here shortly. AZ's not so good with this variant. Crazy times!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennw Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Fex Bluse said: Oh, that can't be! We are told daily from many posters about Thailand masterful, world-class Covid response. It's among the best in the world. It is very unusual in Thailand that anything fall behind schedule as Thais are world renown for punctuality. Why are we not surprised? Put Popeye in charge of health dept cant do worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DLock Posted May 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, vacajan said: Why all this gloating? The people are duped by maladministration. Rather, I have more of a sense of compassion. Because every person here (except for a few Government sycophants) said that SB did not have the experience, did not deserve the deal and would fail at meeting expectations. Most people said COVAX is designed to avoid relying on a single vaccine, and Thailand should have joined. But the Czar and the Tard's response was that "we get better deals if we deal directly with the vaccines manufacturer". So, the "gloating" as you put it, is contextually correct. It was predicted and looks proven. No compassion for idiots. Carry on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLock Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Thailands contract was with Siam Bioscience No, the contract is with AZ. SB is just an AZ manufacturing facility that happens to be located in Thailand - not owned or controlled by Thailand. SB has no direct relationship with Customers. AZ are contractually bound to provide vaccines regardless of manufacturing facility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobinBKK Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 hours ago, ukrules said: It would be a shame if they broke the terms of their contract and it was terminated for some reason. Like denying vaccines to foreigners or something like that. Something like that would be a real shame. If you live in Thailand you can obviously see that they don't even honour their commitment to the WTO. Thailand, is a member of the World Trade Organization. National treatment is an integral part of many [World Trade Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization) agreements. It requires equal treatment of [foreigners](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)) and locals. Under national treatment, a [state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state) that grants particular rights, benefits or privileges to its own [citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen) must also grant those advantages to the citizens of other states while they are in that country.Together with the [most favoured nation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_favoured_nation) principle, national treatment is one of the cornerstones of WTO trade law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_treatment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 that means June 7th vaccine day and July and/or October re-opening dates are off.... who would have guessed that 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mberbae Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 But of course. The demand is too great considering most Thais are rejecting Sinovac. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRinPDX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Fex Bluse said: Oh, that can't be! We are told daily from many posters about Thailand masterful, world-class Covid response. It's among the best in the world. It is very unusual in Thailand that anything fall behind schedule as Thais are world renown for punctuality. A veritable hub of punctuality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy P Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Fex Bluse said: Oh, that can't be! We are told daily from many posters about Thailand masterful, world-class Covid response. It's among the best in the world. It is very unusual in Thailand that anything fall behind schedule as Thais are world renown for punctuality. I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry55 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Quote Representatives of Siam Bioscience were not available for comment. That's the problem as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted May 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2021 This AstraZeneca-Siam Bioscience pseudo-"arrangement" is starting to smell a lot like the "Hopewell" project. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bangkok Barry Posted May 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2021 My wife said she doesn't know what the government is doing. The problem is, neither does the government. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I feel a vaccination vacation coming on.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Everyone but the Government thought what a great idea to have one factory make all the vaccines. Whoever is in charge of this complete screw up costing people's lives should be assigned to an inactive post immediately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 hours ago, webfact said: Representatives of Siam Bioscience were not available for comment. Having left with piles of brown envelopes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdsandBooze Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Bad news for the government coming as it does along with that of the big Covid outbreak of 519 infected at Sino Thai's (heir of which is Anutin) construction site worker housing in Nonthaburi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Triangle Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Apparently the delay is due to the fact that all the migrant workers in the SB production plant have tested positive and have all been laid off ???????????????? Sarcasm folks Sarcasm !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 hours ago, ikke1959 said: I am wondering when they have enough of this incompetent Government I thought they have been showing their displeasure for more than a year already, only problem is that is government has access to a large weapon arsenal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 They also had periodically vaccine delivery problems in Europe in the beginning of production, both Pfizer and Sinovac, not anything specific to Thailand or Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHans Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Why are they not giving reasons for the failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Em150 said: Yep, nowt wrong with Sinovac. Better to have some protection than none and so far, there havent been any reports of negative reactions to it. Unlike some if the other brands out there If the Sinovac is weaker than the others then I guess the reactions will be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 And now all the registration cancellations and "foreigners to the end of the line" edicts are explained. Someone put all their eggs in one basket and it's coming back to haunt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said: In other news it has been highlighted that no one has seen the contract and there are questions over the transparency of the details. Anutin has lied about everything else so why would you believe him when he says this about the contract? It is just words from a stone faced liars mouth. Show us the contract and put it out of doubt. All the news reports I've seen re contract say that Siam Bioscience has a contract to produce vaccines for Astra Zeneca to distribute in SE Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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