20 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I would suggest if that is all the evidence there is then it would be difficult to convict on that basis. The evidence is purely circumstantial.

 

However did he take here from the bar in Nana to his home in Hua Hin? That for me is unusual.

 

He was also a steroid user, so probably not mentally stable either. 

He is a Brit, so probably a heavy drinker  far worse then steroid use for violence . (can give statistics for that but where is the violence in bars, hardly see weight lifters punching up each other in the gym. Do like to know how you know he is a steroid user though he might be. Many people seem to use it in the UK as there are no laws against it. 

 

I saw that too from nana to Hua Hin, her clothes and DNA found at his home in Hua Hin.  (maybe there is a Nana in Hua Hin should ask Brit man he is one of the prostitution experts)

 

Yes if that is all they have him being the last, but that would be stupid. Its not like they are going to lay out all proof in newspapers. That is stupid policing. The Thais might not be the best but they are not that stupid. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

Right, seems the Dutch justice system makes far less mistakes then in the USA for instance. So you don't need a jury at all its just one system no jury is not worse can even be superior. 

 

Maybe should do a comparison between countries i got great faith in the Dutch system especially given the fact that professionals know the law better then lay persons.

But when the same is applied here can you in absolute confidence say that you have great faith in the Thai system?

 

No, you can't.

Edited May 28, 20215 yr by Mr Meeseeks

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

hardly see weight lifters punching up each other in the gym

Probably in too much of a rush to finish in the showers before the others arrive.

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Do like to know how you know he is a steroid user

“He has been known to do things like this in the past, after taking bodybuilding drugs”

https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/shane-looker-linked-to-two-more-killings-in-northern-thailand/

29 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

It's not a perfect system, nothing is, but juries are the best system we have.

Not everyone lives in the US,shocker ?

 

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

But when the same is applied here can you in absolute confidence that you have great faith in the Thai system?

 

No, you can't.

No I don't have great faith in the Thai system but i highly doubt that someone would bribe the judges give the victim.

 

They have evidence of him with her in Kanchanaburi they also have not disclosed all evidence. Let them do their job. 

If he committed the heinous act, then he is disease ridden vermin. He will be exterminated in the Bangkok Hilton - and no one will come to his aid... 

8 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

“He has been known to do things like this in the past, after taking bodybuilding drugs”

https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/shane-looker-linked-to-two-more-killings-in-northern-thailand/

Ah, so a steroid user. If he is one of those few that are influenced by steroids then i would hate to meet him when on steroids and alcohol. Alcohol is far worse for agression.

Seems a lot of Brits do steroids far more then other nationalities, i know this as i hang out on US and UK and Dutch boards for bodybuilding. But of those 3 countries the UK is the only one where its legal. So that explains the higher use of steroids. 

 

Would hate to meet people who have anger issues who are on steroids and alcohol. Disaster waiting to happen.

48 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

It should every person's right to be tried by a jury of their peers. 

 

Some food for thought:-

 

Juries ensure community representation informs the weighing of evidence and allowing everyday perspectives to be incorporated into judging those accused of serious crimes. They ensure this decision-making is not just the province of elites (like judges) and keeps apace of changing community values.

 

Jurors in a trial also force transparency into the process by requiring evidence in court to be accessible to the average member of the community.

There are other advantages – in reaching complex decisions, 12 heads are better than one; gender and racial diversity are intrinsic, albeit imperfectly, in a jury mix; and, as jury deliberations require jurors to discuss, explain and deliberate, there is an airing and accounting of contrary views, in a process that reflects democratic principles. 

 

https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/why-do-we-have-juries#:~:text=Juries ensure community representation informs,apace of changing community values.

 

Lay person participation in the legal system is considered central to a healthy democracy. Lawyers play a major role in making the laws in parliament. Judges then apply the laws. If juries weren’t used, lawyers would have a monopoly over the law. Lawyers have their own specialised language in which they communicate among themselves. Including juries in the legal system forces lawyers to use common language.

It’s the collective wisdom of 12 that makes a jury. Jurors bring to the trial 12 times more life experience than a judge. Psychological research has established that personal, subconscious biases can be identified and addressed in group discussion.

 

https://theconversation.com/all-about-juries-why-do-we-actually-need-them-and-can-they-get-it-wrong-112703

 

It's not a perfect system, nothing is, but juries are the best system we have.

 

Much like voting governments in is better than military coups. I'm sure you agree, no? 

 

To stay on topic, what about the Thai judge that recently killed himself over the corruption in the justice system here? That alone should be ringing alarm bells. 

And here are the cons:

 

A jury can convict someone based on bias instead of facts.

 

Capital cases and violent felonies have a high rate of false convictions

 

 Lawyers and judges come from a subset of society

 

A juror doesn’t need to reason their decision.

 

Some jurisdictions allow for a majority vote instead of a unanimous verdict.

 

 It can take a long time for a jury to reach a decision.

 

Jury trials can create financial hardships for the people who serve.

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Why not? 

Thailand is a totally corrupt country there are no fair trials.

Red Bull heir ........ no fair trial.

The Thai MP who shot his wife 'accidentally' at the dinner table ...... no fair trial.

Yingluck and Thaiksin .......... no fair trial.

The Burmese guys at Koh Tao ....... no fair trial.

3 old white guys having a sneaky drink in Phuket ...... no fair trial.

I could probably think of 20 more.

 

All that counts at a trial in Thailand is money, family and influence and bribes to a 100% corrupt police force and judiciary.

 

No reputable western country should ever allow extradition of anyone for any crime to Thailand.

Edited May 28, 20215 yr by BritManToo

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

 

Reading between the lines I don't think the Thai police were actually looking for Mr Looker.

So what was the international arrest warrant all about then?

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Thailand is a totally corrupt country there are no fair trials.

Red Bull heir ........ no fair trial.

The Thai MP who shot his wife 'accidentally' at the dinner table ...... no fair trial.

Yingluck and Thaiksin .......... no fair trial.

The Burmese guys at Koh Tao ....... no fair trial.

 

All that counts at a trial in Thailand is money, family and influence.

No reputable western country should ever allow extradition of anyone for any crime to Thailand.

If you come here on a holiday or live here then that is the risk you take. You can't have it both ways like you want. 

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

So what was the international arrest warrant all about then?

 

Issuing an interpol notice does not equate to them actively seeking out Mr Looker's location.

Or do you think they were out beating the pavement seeking him out ?

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Thailand is a totally corrupt country there are no fair trials.

Red Bull heir ........ no fair trial.

The Thai MP who shot his wife 'accidentally' at the dinner table ...... no fair trial.

Yingluck and Thaiksin .......... no fair trial.

The Burmese guys at Koh Tao ....... no fair trial.

3 old white guys having a sneaky drink in Phuket ...... no fair trial.

I could probably think of 20 more.

 

All that counts at a trial in Thailand is money, family and influence and bribes to a 100% corrupt police force and judiciary.

 

No reputable western country should ever allow extradition of anyone for any crime to Thailand.

 

 

And ?

Just now, robblok said:

If you come here on a holiday or live here then that is the risk you take. You can't have it both ways like you want. 

I don't want it both ways.

I like living in a country where I could kill a policeman while drunk driving and probably bribe my way out of it.

But let's not kid anyone there's anything fair about it.

Which is why no western country (that pretends to be fair) should extradite anyone to this country.

Edited May 28, 20215 yr by BritManToo

4 hours ago, mvdf said:

Interesting. So the garage did a background check or Interpol search on him? Or are garages linked to the police system?

In many countries, garages are required to report accident damaged vehicles to the police. I guess Mr. Looker didn't realize that.

Just now, BritManToo said:

I don't want it both ways.

I like living in a country where I can kill a policeman while drunk driving and probably bribe my way out of it.

But let's not kid anyone there's anything fair about it.

Yea you can buy you way out of it..so why can't this Brit ? I mean you say its about family and influence. doubt the parents of a bar girl have influence and money. So what is holding a fair trial back ?

 

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

You can get away with murder, look at Homer Simpson.

But he was convicted?

 

Edited May 28, 20215 yr by Smithson

1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

i have noticed the really Berserker types are walking around Pattaya making noise and harmlessly acting out.

 

But the quiet Psycho killer types seem to like Hua Hin. 

 

 

That Norwegian fella that kept his girlfriend in a garbage bin for 3 years, that was Hua Hin too I believe.

 

Must be something in the water down there !!

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The rejection of the appeal by the ECHR now means that original ruling by the Spanish court may remain in place and Looker could now face extradition to Thailand. 

Good. 

5 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

 

Reading between the lines I don't think the Thai police were actually looking for Mr Looker.

They issued an international arrest warrant for him, so I think they were looking for him in one of the few ways possible outside their jurisdiction. 

Edited May 28, 20215 yr by Bluespunk
Missing word inserted

On a positive point at least once he arrives back in Thailand for his trial he will have had both Covid vaccinations so it appears his alleged criminal activity has rewarded him in some ways.

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out there's no evidence he murdered her, which he denies.

The only evidence stated in the OP is he took her home for the night, which he admits.

 

But I do agree, he won't receive a fair trial in Thailand.

Depends on what the dna from the victim found in his Hua Hin home is. If it’s blood then that is strong evidence. 

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Not everyone lives in the US,shocker ?

 

Juries developed in England during the Middle Ages, and are a hallmark of the Anglo common law legal system. They are still commonly used today in Great Britain, the United States, Canada, Australia, and other countries whose legal systems are descended from England's legal traditions.

 

Sorry, but jury trials > bench trials for me all day every day.

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Depends on what the dna from the victim found in his Hua Hin home is. If it’s blood then that is strong evidence. 

My woman bleeds every month, without appearing to be murdered.

I cut myself shaving yesterday, I wasn't murdered either.

 

Edited May 28, 20215 yr by BritManToo

2 hours ago, Smithson said:

While I agree there's a strong chance he's guilty, the evidence in the story is very limited.

 

I have contacted the RTP, and while they apologize for not posting all details of evidence on the forum, they promised to send it to you by mail.

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out there's no evidence he murdered her, which he denies.

The only evidence stated in the OP is he took her home for the night, which he admits.

 

But I do agree, he won't receive a fair trial in Thailand.

Fair to whom?

For sure, in most EU, UK, and US courts, the defendant gets the benefit of even the tiniest technical issue and not infrequently, patently obvious murderers walk free because courts feel the need to give precedence to preserving the integrity of their systems.

Maybe in Thailand, what is obvious will be taken at face value and this viscous murderer will sleep on his side on a cement floor for the remainder of his days.  

Fair to the victim.

 

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Can judges in the Netherlands be influenced by cake boxes stuffed full of money too?

Can jury members. anywhere, be influenced by cake boxes stuffed full of money too?

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

jury deliberations require jurors to discuss, explain and deliberate, there is an airing and accounting of contrary views, in a process that reflects democratic principles. 

Jury members do not have to discuss, explain and deliberate!   No courts require members of the jury to justify their view of any facts presented in court.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Jury members do not have to discuss, explain and deliberate!   No courts require members of the jury to justify their view of any facts presented in court.

And of course in Thailand there is no jury, only judges