Today marks two months of Covid-19 restrictions in Pattaya with many business owners and residents getting frustrated

[bert bloggs]

We were in Big C n Pattaya the other day,the only people shopping seemed to be falangs with or without their wives ,i just wonder how long they will stay open ,lots of products also seem not to have been replaced.

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

We were in Big C n Pattaya the other day,the only people shopping seemed to be falangs with or without their wives ,i just wonder how long they will stay open ,lots of products also seem not to have been replaced.

Which one? Big CX on Klang is pretty busy at weekends.

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Which one? Big CX on Klang is pretty busy at weekends.

 North Pattaya, in Central Marina.

[Leaver]

On 6/14/2021 at 12:00 PM, Thomas J said:

Show me one statistic on this. There are conjectures but the only instance I am aware of is Sweden

 

Yes, Sweden is a good example.  

 

They refused to lockdown, and people died as a result.  It's that simple.  

 

On 6/14/2021 at 12:00 PM, Thomas J said:

So show me one study that has demonstrated that areas with lockdowns have lowered the infection rate compared to adjacent areas with no lockdown. 

 

No need for that comparison.  

 

There are many cases, some of them whole countries in fact, where the curve shot up causing mass deaths, lockdowns were implemented, and the curve flattened, and then the City / State / Province / Country got ahead of the curve, and the spread came under control. 

 

No one is saying lockdowns stop covid.  They just slow the spread.  

 

A lockdown not only separates the uninfected from the community, but also the infected from the community, including those who are asymptomatic, which are the more dangerous ones for spreading the disease.  

[Thomas J]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

No one is saying lockdowns stop covid.  They just slow the spread.  

Now that is a "theory" that I could consider reasonable.  The reality is when you look at the countries and covid infection rates, the data shows no discernable pattern.  Belgium, and Poland border Germany and both implemented the same EU Covid controls.  So why the difference. 

Swenden did the least.  It has a higher Covid infection rate than the other Scandinavian Countries such as Norway, Finland and Denmark.  However Estonia, and Lithuania are equally close, did institute EU Covid measures and their rate of infection is not materially higher than Sweden's. 

Denmark to Belgium is 733 KM, compared to 522 KM from Denmark to Sweden yet Belgium who instituted some of the most strict Covid protocols like Sweden also has a high Covid infection rate. 

In the USA Florida and Texas have no quarantines, no mask mandate, and no store closures but their rate of infection is lower than New York and New Jersey.  Before you say it is population density, Iowa, North Dakota, Utah, and South Dakota have the highest Covid infection rates in the USA but are certainly the most sparsely populated. 

Puzzling also is Washington DC is only 228 miles and Washington has over a 50% black population which have suffered higher rates of Covid infection.  Yet Washington has a covid infection rate half of NY City. 

All of this leads to the fact that there are no clear cut correlations of what works and doesn't work.   The only correlations that seem to be somewhat consistent are the more isolated the region such as an island, the younger the median age, and the hotter the climate the lower the infection rate.  Even that is not 100% true but most of the lowest Covid infection rates are island communities, hot/humid regions such as Africa, and South East Asia and the younger the median age, the lower the Covid infection rate. 

Even the latter statistic may be skewed in that you only get reported as having Covid if you are tested.  The younger population may exhibit such mild symptoms or be asymptomatic to the degree that they are infected but never counted.