Prominent doctor urges postponement of Thailand’s reopening to foreign tourists in July

[kynikoi]

8 hours ago, cclub75 said:

"Zero Covid".

 

I told you.

 

It's an ideology... And it's a cult.

There's money in that standard.

[Magenta408]

He has a good job and he's eating well while others are not. I've notice that the four or five "gurus" take turn just as a government initiative is about to go live. This stinks.

[KhaoYai]

6 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

The idea that you can stop COVID by government interventions has been tried all over the world and it's failed, in every single country unless maybe you're on an island. All people can do is take personal responsibility for themselves and let the rest of us do that same. 

Not sure where you're coming from on that - my post was not about stopping Covid, it was about the failure of the Thai government to support people that are suffering severe financial hardship.

Edited June 16, 2021 by KhaoYai

[RocketDog]

6 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Prevention with an experimental vaccine that is still in it's phase 3 trials (extension of it) if you like and has not yet been completed, this is a fact that is why it is allowed under EUA provisions.

 

There are reports that suggest that the spike protein has been found to end up travelling throughout the body in some people, when the developers said it would only stay in the injection site, remember these are foreign particles travelling through the body and ending up in the brain, liver, kidney's, heart, and other organs, etc, and as far as I am aware, not toxicity studies have been made available, also let's not forget, these vaccines were authorised by the FDA under EUA provisions, i.e. emergency use authorisation provisions, if you drop dead or have an adverse effect that is serious enough to cripple you, there is no liability, but everyone is saying they are safe and effective, not as far as I am concerned, show me more data now after 6 months, why wait longer, they have injected millions and there is evidence that people are dying and having major adverse reactions, oh, but let's not blame it on the experimental vaccines, they would have died anyway, or it wasn't the vaccine, they had an underlying condition which reacted with the experimental vaccine, yep I am a nut, a conspiracy theorist, whatever, each to their own, want it, go get it, up to you.

 

Prevention as it's being marketed = it's a safe and effective, not, it's an experimental vaccine that might kill you or give you a serious adverse reaction.

 

Treatment = other medicines that have been around for decades, e.g. Ivermectin, but if you go against the grain, you get shut down.

 

I will look back at this in the months ahead and say, I told you so.

There are several vaccines available that use decades-old tech as well. So to be clear you are referring only to mRNA vaccines?

Of course the old-style vaccines inject entire viruses, not just spike proteins, into your body.

[Tonypandy]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

I know it's bad for some, and people in many countries are suffering. The vaccines are the cause of this problem which we should of had a while ago. And I am not letting WHO and ccp China off the hook either but we have to start vaccinating more people with vaccines that work and restrict tourism for awhile. Anything else is foolish.

Tourism already restricted for over a year, restricting it for longer will be the end for many in Thailand. How do you know which vaccines work and which don't? 

[Autonuaq]

Very wise advise that should been followed up. Wise because in Europe they are now confronted that tourist returning from Portugal and Spain seem to be the piggyback for the virus with the tourists that return home and increasing the number with the new mutation. Something that is not having much effect that is seen directly due to the huge declining numbers that hide these new infections.

 

not sure why the UK is postponing easing of the lockdown measurements, when understood well for the same reason as this docotr warns about.

 

 

[lavender19]

13 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Where is Dr Opas and Dr Yong with more words of wisdom and maybe say actually we are the dirty ones now ????

Probably busy in a chat room with Fauci

[NB1986]

18 minutes ago, Autonuaq said:

Very wise advise that should been followed up. Wise because in Europe they are now confronted that tourist returning from Portugal and Spain seem to be the piggyback for the virus with the tourists that return home and increasing the number with the new mutation. Something that is not having much effect that is seen directly due to the huge declining numbers that hide these new infections.

 

not sure why the UK is postponing easing of the lockdown measurements, when understood well for the same reason as this docotr warns about.

 

 

 

So why bothering with Vaccine at all? Virus mutates every 10 hours, probably ever 3 months the new variant will be in circulation if they got Vaccine they are "protected" , thats the first reason i didnt take the Vaccine, it is worth to be careful and wait for Vaccines develop more, i am sure in october or november they will claim that people need so called "booster" a third dose against last indian mutation, so how many vaccines can actually human organism safely survive? And how many people is willing to take 3, 4, 5 shots per year? 

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, RocketDog said:

There are several vaccines available that use decades-old tech as well. So to be clear you are referring only to mRNA vaccines?

Of course the old-style vaccines inject entire viruses, not just spike proteins, into your body.

 

Correct.

 

• mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. ...
• Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that causes COVID-19 instead of the entire germ.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-race-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-explained

[iamariva1957]

9 hours ago, moe666 said:

AZ is not made in Thailand only bottled and canned from product made else were.

No  it is made here under licence

[unblocktheplanet]

No Dr. Yong-bashers today? Oh, it's not Dr. Yong urging caution!

 

The junta made a giant mistake with Songkran. How many bullets left before all the toes are gone.

 

Stupid, stupid, stupid...

[kennw]

16 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

If we wait until the Thailand and world is 100% safe, I'm pretty sure Thailand will be in the grip of the next Chinese  pandemic and flapping about again.

 

Open up 100%, Wash hands, wear a mask and protect the old and infirm.

 

 

 

 

Please read the details of what the Doc said, his fear is that the latest variant of the virus will get into Thailand before we have a substantial percentage of the population vaccinated, and this will delay even further the economic recovery.

[spidermike007]

13 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

'some deaths' - 230,185 to date! Economies can recover but to the best of my knowledge, once you're dead you're dead. If large parts of the economy is shut down, the people affected need to be supported - that's not happening.

 

What is happening is that those who've paid social security are getting payments whilst those on low incomes who don't pay SS are getting nothing.  Thailand really needs to re-visit its Social Security system once this is over. People need to eat.

 

There was no need for the current situation in Thailand - it is entirely of the government's own making.

True. It could be referred to as a truly felonious level of economic sabotage. And a shameful lack of support. 

 

The Thai army. Moving the nation backwards at an astonishing pace, and assuring a Burundi type nation, with a decimated economy, within a few short decades. 

[cncltd1973]

14 hours ago, BestB said:

For a change have a doctor who is not wrong, HOWEVER Phuket governor claimed not too long ago that most on the island have been vaccinated already, and new rule is people have to stay in Phuket for 14 days. If they wish to travel they have to have a test prior to leaving the island.

 

To me Phuket is ready with all precautions taken, even if some are very idiotic.

 

As for the rest of the country, well that have to take up with Anutin, who knows nothing about anything and nothing is his fault about anything, but he does know that all going according to a plan,Plan which he knows nothing about

Well said.

This junta gov't is the epitome of the blind leading the blind.

Bali starts it's 5 day hotel quarantine plan in July when it reopens to vax'd tourists, a no-brainer for a tourist making plans to visit a country in SE Asia

[desert dueller]

16 hours ago, drenddy said:

For <deleted> sake...Are these thai doctors better educated and have more insight into virology than their western counterparts(from countries, where the borders are open to fully vaccinated people, without quarantine) or they don't have a <deleted> clue and are absolutely <deleted> scared about coronavirus? This zero strategy it's not going to work, unless you are using it to control an entire country.

 

I mean, where is the logic in asking fully vaccinated people to quarantine? Ask them to have 3-4 covid tests while enjoying their semiprison in Phuket?

 

Is this guy more qualified than his fellow doctors from EU & USA countries?

Answer: He probably is, judging by that silly outfit he is wearing, as if it gives him more authority and credibility to spout his ignorance. ever seen a Western - qualified - specialist dressed like this clown?

[EricTh]

Good advice from this doctor Prasit. Thailand should only open up when 80% of the population has been vaccinated. It is now not even 5%.

 

Even the 14 days quarantine is not foolproof, how is that the new Indian/UK variant can get into Thailand if they are quarantined?

Edited June 16, 2021 by EricTh

[Albert Zweistein]

18 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Are talking about the Chinese made Crapovax?

Obvious.

[Albert Zweistein]

18 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Where has he said that?

 

“Vaccines aren’t effective against all variants. Of course, it’s mostly okay for now, but there may be new variants that can’t be controlled. If the measures to restrict areas and control the spread aren’t in parallel with vaccinations, if people only think it’s all good now after getting a jab, I think this is dangerous,” Dr. Prasit said."

 

He has concerns that the new variants can challenge the efficacy of the vaccine, especially in an under-vaccinated population. This is a concern that is being publicly voiced in western nations that are oh so much more clever than Thailand.

 

Bash on.

I said that.

[Albert Zweistein]

16 hours ago, moe666 said:

AZ is not made in Thailand only bottled and canned from product made else were.

So Siam Biosence is only a bottling company ?

[Meat Pie 47]

2 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

So Siam Biosence is only a bottling company ?

Yeah they bottle Coke as well

[Albert Zweistein]

1 minute ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Yeah they bottle Coke as well

We don't have bottled coke, just blocks.

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, Tonypandy said:

Tourism already restricted for over a year, restricting it for longer will be the end for many in Thailand. How do you know which vaccines work and which don't? 

It is called 'trials' and certification. 

[Bim Smith]

On 6/16/2021 at 8:10 AM, DrJack54 said:

And you think opening Phuket with all the restrictions will generate tourists in sufficient numbers to impact. Dream on.

 

I agree it absolutely won't

[DrJack54]

6 minutes ago, Bim Smith said:

I agree it absolutely won't

Might end up a blessing that not many folk will come. Then without being under stress from huge influx of tourists they can actually do a proper 'trial'.

What's it called.....baby steps.

"Move Pattaya Forward" is an interesting read.

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by DrJack54

[Mr Wong]

The thai government has paid 3 times as much for sinovac compared to AZ . . . maybe sinovac is better ???

• Sinovac 8.1 million doses, 5,059 million baht = 625 baht per dose.

 • Astra Zeneca 26 million doses, 5,287 million baht = 203 baht per dose.

[daejung]

They are not reliable at all. Whenever they say something, you'll have to wait for the counter-order.

 

You cannot plan anything 5555

[zaZa9]

Just in case some Thai 'advisor' is reading this and is allowed to convey the message to any Thai power broker that is capable of listening.

 

This is what a holidaying  tourist wants !

1. VISA ON ARRIVAL ! ( Of course with proof of being vaccinated ) 

2. No quarantine for tourists who have been issued with a FULL dose of the vax and can prove it.

3. Every Local  in this special and "Oh so safe zone" of Phuket  to be vaccinated the same as the Tourist has to  !

(Not 70% ,  but ALL !)

EVERYONE in Phuket vaxed  , as Tourists may  have to deal with anyone , and they should be able  EXPECT the same levels of care taken as they have had to take !

4. A sworn promise to not change the rules when the head official thinks it his turn to add yet another silly impost ...

5. Their normal travel Insurance acceptable and the gov clear that it us clear.

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On 6/16/2021 at 5:57 PM, NB1986 said:

 

So why bothering with Vaccine at all? Virus mutates every 10 hours, probably ever 3 months the new variant will be in circulation if they got Vaccine they are "protected" , thats the first reason i didnt take the Vaccine, it is worth to be careful and wait for Vaccines develop more, i am sure in october or november they will claim that people need so called "booster" a third dose against last indian mutation, so how many vaccines can actually human organism safely survive? And how many people is willing to take 3, 4, 5 shots per year? 

You really think it's a sound argument to refer to what you believe will happen in the future. Especially when there's plenty of evidence in existence to show that you're wrong?

If you follow the reports you would find that vaccines are still providing powerful protection against the latest variants. So, no, it doesn't look like we'll have to be taking  "3, 4, 5 shots per year".

[NB1986]

20 hours ago, placeholder said:

You really think it's a sound argument to refer to what you believe will happen in the future. Especially when there's plenty of evidence in existence to show that you're wrong?

If you follow the reports you would find that vaccines are still providing powerful protection against the latest variants. So, no, it doesn't look like we'll have to be taking  "3, 4, 5 shots per year".

Where is the prove that they are providing powerful protection? Really thats why England will not reopen until 19th July right? Where is the prove how long will last antibodies from Vaccine? Can you provide me this information? 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, NB1986 said:

Where is the prove that they are providing powerful protection? Really thats why England will not reopen until 19th July right? Where is the prove how long will last antibodies from Vaccine? Can you provide me this information? 

Because deaths have plummeted. And those who are vaccinated, even if they do come down with symptoms have far lower hospitaization and mortality rates. You honestly didn't know this?