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Amazing Thailand  :-))

Real doctors and real expert should rise their voice.

It's a scandal to trust the hired pseudo-experts.

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Show us the transparent contracts and the money trail for the billions spent on the Sinovac vaccine and then the world will know the truth.  However, we know that will not happen any day from now until the cows come home.

...well; all that can come later...right now get the Vaccines out there and in arms..even if it takes a Court Order to do it.

5 hours ago, robblok said:

Unfortunately not a Thai thing alone. What i read all those contracts are secret also in the Western world. So they have a great reason not to make them public. But it is strange a less effective vaccine costing more. Then again it is the only vaccine they can get.

 

Their faillure is costing peoples lives and the vaccine are bad Chinese <deleted>.

 

Wish we could prove if some people were making money. It would totally destroy the government.

I try to remember I live in Thailand and not back west.

5 hours ago, heiri007 said:

Not giving up hope that the crisis might do what street protests and the suppressed opposition are not able to do.

That really would a big bonus.

In all respect, but the other vaccines are not much better.

 

This just illustrates perfectly how ABSURD any 'vaccine requirements' are - in ANY country, with ANY of the available vaccines at this point!

 

The virus won't go away, neither can we prevent new variants - support free & voluntary vaccination of risk groups (if they want to take the risk of the vaccine), but give back freedom to live w/o restrictions and especially WORK without restrictions again!

Let people live and move free again in the "Land of the Free"....

5 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Why the Private hospitals were never allowed to place any orders for the vaccines? one thought I had they wouldn't have ordered that Chinese junk which would not fit in with certain peoples agenda.

And did the private hospitals know something we dont know?

Because soldier's (read Prayut,Anutin etc....)  not allowed to put they sticky hands in that "jamjar"!

I ask myself where this catastrophic situation will lead to ? 
Every day the news is bad, people are suffering and the local economies collapsing or already collapsed. Thais are hungry. So what will happen in 4/6 months time when the situation doesn’t improve ? 

5 hours ago, Thomas J said:

There has to be some reason why the Thai government is showing such a deliberate bias towards Sinovac.  They have set up road blocks and delays for all the other alternative vaccines and made procurement of the alternative vaccines by private hospitals nearly impossible. 

Well I guess you have heard the old saying (popular here) never let a good crisis go to waste.

3 hours ago, grain said:

It's like they're deliberately taunting us. Have thousands of us waiting at our laptops like sprinters in their blocks, and the starting gun fires and we all make a mad dash to open the website and fill in the form and smash the button only to see we just weren't fast enough. So we can all return tomorrow to try again, and make another degrading spectacle of ourselves.

You are absolutely correct.

But realize that successfully registering for a jab is far from getting one. That effort typically also requires multiple attempts with increasing frustration.

 

I've accepted the reality and refuse to enter this maddening feeding frenzy.

 

Self-quarantine and ride it out. At least you are in control of your own life.

14 minutes ago, geisha said:

I ask myself where this catastrophic situation will lead to ? 
Every day the news is bad, people are suffering and the local economies collapsing or already collapsed. Thais are hungry. So what will happen in 4/6 months time when the situation doesn’t improve ? 

Come on, don't keep us in suspense.

What did your self say?

6 hours ago, grain said:

And where are the millions of AZ from Siam BS?

Siam BS = Siam Bullsh*t or Siam Bioscience???

 

This s an honest question.

6 hours ago, robblok said:

Unfortunately not a Thai thing alone. What i read all those contracts are secret also in the Western world. So they have a great reason not to make them public. But it is strange a less effective vaccine costing more. Then again it is the only vaccine they can get.

 

Their faillure is costing peoples lives and the vaccine are bad Chinese <deleted>.

 

Wish we could prove if some people were making money. It would totally destroy the government.

Maybe - for your own pleasure - you might google owner of sinovac?

7 minutes ago, lolalol said:

Siam BS = Siam Bullsh*t or Siam Bioscience???

 

This s an honest question.

"Up to you" as they say!

3 minutes ago, SchuetzRob said:

Maybe - for your own pleasure - you might google owner of sinovac?

No need i know who it is CP group. 

6 hours ago, Thomas J said:

There has to be some reason why the Thai government is showing such a deliberate bias towards Sinovac.  They have set up road blocks and delays for all the other alternative vaccines and made procurement of the alternative vaccines by private hospitals nearly impossible. 

...and lest not we forget the Thai govt's inexplicable decision to NOT join the COVAX scheme and receive FREE vaccines!!!!

Just now, greenmonkey said:

...and lest not we forget the Thai govt's inexplicable decision to NOT join the COVAX scheme and receive FREE vaccines!!!!

one word "Transparency", not available in the Thai language dictionary apparently.

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Unfortunately not a Thai thing alone. What i read all those contracts are secret also in the Western world. So they have a great reason not to make them public. But it is strange a less effective vaccine costing more. Then again it is the only vaccine they can get.

 

Their faillure is costing peoples lives and the vaccine are bad Chinese <deleted>.

 

Wish we could prove if some people were making money. It would totally destroy the government.

Gotta be a whistleblower somewhere in China, USA or Thailand who can shed light on the how and why we got to this precipice. Big book deal or even blockbuster documentary contract.

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Unfortunately not a Thai thing alone. What i read all those contracts are secret also in the Western world. So they have a great reason not to make them public. But it is strange a less effective vaccine costing more. Then again it is the only vaccine they can get.

 

Their faillure is costing peoples lives and the vaccine are bad Chinese <deleted>.

 

Wish we could prove if some people were making money. It would totally destroy the government.

Come on fella. please do not try to water this down by implicating the "Western World" you and I both know that criminals or at least scoundrels run this country and that starts from the very top.

No accountability anywhere in the food chain.

Any rooms available at the Bangkok Hilton? 

That's obviously "fake news."  A CP representative should face the media immediately and set the country and front-line health care workers straight on the facts and the Truth! 
The Thai government via CP gave the front-line healthcare workers the most effective vaccine in the world and they all should show some gratitude to both the government and their benefactors at CP.  Indebtedness, wais, and groveling at the feet of their betters is in order.  This ingratitude is counter to Thai culture and should be punished.  Those ungrateful healthcare professionals should be publicly humiliated for their disrespect and cheek toward their selfless Health Minister, their selfless Covid czar, and the selfless CP corporation which is literally keeping this ungrateful lot from dying of Covid!!!

Well, claiming “Sinovac’s ineffectiveness” ...

Seems, the doctors are always looking at Thailand only.

 

I would suggest, they would better check some countries with high vaccination rates and mRNA-Vaccines first, eg. Israel.

 

I assume, they would be astonished, how many breakthrough infections Israel had with Biontech/Pfizer !

 

Back to school ... check what is the difference between efficacy and effectiveness!

A relative efficacy of >95%

becomes suddenly a absolute effiency of 1.4 - to 1.6 % .

Just dig into the phase 3 studies !

 

3 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

The Thai Dr's that I have experienced at Bumrungrad are World Class - Exceptional. Their hands have been tied from day one and that is disgraceful. If the private hospitals were allowed to administer vaccines from day one, we would not be so deep in this mess. I would have gladly have paid for my small team of staff and their parents who could not have afforded private treatment and remain unvaccinated to be jabbed. We are all victims of this mess and now it is becoming increasingly unacceptable.

I also checked with Bumrungrad about vaccines, and my upcoming appointment.  They replied with a very polite and detailed letter.  My translation: Are you crazy?  No <deleted>’ way!

Sinovac was NOT the only vaccine that they could get.  The GPO refused again and again to order the vaccines.  The truth was revealed on July 2nd.  No orders for other vaccines had been placed.

7 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Why the Private hospitals were never allowed to place any orders for the vaccines?

You, I, and everyone else knows exactly why. 
So, it's a rhetorical question.  <wink>

11 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

Sinovac was NOT the only vaccine that they could get.  The GPO refused again and again to order the vaccines.  The truth was revealed on July 2nd.  No orders for other vaccines had been placed.

But they blamed the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) for making a long and lengthy review of the contracts, and Anutin said it wasn't his fault they did not get ordered....lots of buck passing and hot potato tossing going on....

why are administrative staff at hospitals considered front line?  After all the dispensations for all sort of groups nothing will remain for ordinary folk.

Many banks and other hiso have already rec'd one jab.  And look at those in Phuket, up to two jabs already when most haven't had one.

I could go on and on but you should be able to get the gist of my rant.

1 hour ago, 2 is 1 said:

Because soldier's (read Prayut,Anutin etc....)  not allowed to put they sticky hands in that "jamjar"!

they are only allowed in Xi's honeypot

Scientists are either weak, or not listened to when they are correct. Really makes you think about the phrase “advances in science” since we don’t even seem to follow science in the slightest. 

8 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Show us the transparent contracts and the money trail for the billions spent on the Sinovac vaccine and then the world will know the truth.  However, we know that will not happen any day from now until the cows come home.

So according to you this will be for this winter when the cows go back to the stables!?

4 minutes ago, vangrop said:

So according to you this will be for this winter when the cows go back to the stables!?

I thought horses lived in Stables