the first figure that counts is how many has died.

today 108, so really not growing.

Infections might be rising by thousands daily, in the long run it means herd immunity.

Just don't hospitalise asymptomatic, waste of health resources and unnecessary risk for medics

Edited July 21, 20214 yr by internationalism

10 minutes ago, sezze said:

Like i said before , you can't hide it when it is there , like you can't hide it now . Right now i see pics of full hospitals , i hear stories , true or not idc the stories are there , i hear things i see things . Thailand did not have a wave before , why and how , doesnt mean anything right now . All doesn't matter ... what does matter is right now , and right now they do have .

 

It does matter...the truth reveals the extent of their capacity to lie...their capacity to lie is exactly what brought us to this situation today..their capacity to lie indicates their likelihood to be honest in their approach to getting Thailand out of this.

 

Again, for the last few weeks/months when cases were running at 3,000 or 4,000 a day there were none of the signs that people had said would happen.

 

R.I.P. another frontline casualty...............

 

Farewell to a #COVID19 frontline nurse who became infected with the virus itself. #Thailand #whatishappeninginthailand  photo via Pichai N.

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1417656685196316672

 

1 minute ago, internationalism said:

the first figure that counts is how many has died.

today 108, so really not growing.

Infections might be rising by thousands daily, in the long run it means herd immunity.

Just don't hospitalise asymptomatic, waste of health resources 

In India now they believe deaths were up to 10 times more than reported. Why would Thailand be different? We could easily be at 300 to 400 deaths a day right now.

Yesterday my sister in law made a day trip in her car from Rayong to Bangkok and back to Rayong. She fully expected to get stopped and told to go back or be quarantined.

 

There were no road blocks, no police and no authorities. She drove there and back on the number 7 motorway without any hindrance.

 

She is driving to Chantaburi today.

7 minutes ago, internationalism said:

the first figure that counts is how many has died.

today 108, so really not growing.

Infections might be rising by thousands daily, in the long run it means herd immunity.

Just don't hospitalise asymptomatic, waste of health resources and unnecessary risk for medics

Your argument might hold some weight if they were testing everyone that dies to see if they had Covid19. 

 

But they aren't. So nobody knows how many have died from this.

2 minutes ago, internationalism said:

the first figure that counts is how many has died.

today 108, so really not growing.

Infections might be rising by thousands daily, in the long run it means herd immunity.

Just don't hospitalise asymptomatic, waste of health resources and unnecessary risk for medics

3,610 official deaths and counting. You also have to wander how many have died from other causes because the hositals are full and how many are yet to come. Remember also that just 3 months ago April 21 Thailand recorded 2 deaths. I would say then that the number has grown. 100 fold in three months.

Since the start of June daily cases have gone up more than 4 fold.

 

Given that very little has changed or been done in the interim and the obvious ineptitude of the government, the prognosis is not good. IMHO 50,000 cases a day is more probable than possible sometime before the end of October. 

30 minutes ago, anchadian said:

These images should make you mad. They should make you upset, they should make you angry, and they should make you want to take action because the time for inaction is over.

 

Last night, local media showed scenes of people who had passed out and/or died on the streets of Bangkok due to either Covid-19 or because they had been malnourished and without support during the lockdown.  

 

Their bodies were left on the side of the street for hours.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30216/opinion-prayut-and-his-ministers-have-brought-this-country-to-its-lowest-point/

 

A week ago I started handing money to people on the street. I never did this in Thailand because it is not my job, but yes, it makes me feel better to help someone live another day. 

 

My wife who never tips grab drivers also started tipping after she saw one guy who delivered us food in really desperate condition. She is even more forgiving these days when they cut her off in traffic. It is a little funny, but in reality extremely sad. I was one of those idiots who said that Thailand doesn't rely on tourism. Feel like a moron now, the reality hit me in the head.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

Yes and that comes when we’re are at probably 30,000 cases (probably higher). Confirms my point that they could of easily got away with hiding 2,000 to 3,000 cases per day last year. Or not even hiding them just not bothering to find them in the first place.

The hospitals would have been filled last year if there were so many cases.

11 minutes ago, internationalism said:

Infections might be rising by thousands daily, in the long run it means herd immunity.

In the long run we all will be dead anyway. Or somehow like this... 

6 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

Yesterday my sister in law made a day trip in her car from Rayong to Bangkok and back to Rayong. She fully expected to get stopped and told to go back or be quarantined.

 

There were no road blocks, no police and no authorities. She drove there and back on the number 7 motorway without any hindrance.

 

She is driving to Chantaburi today.

Frankly, it's likely the damage has already been done, so roadblocks and checks are more for show. On a per capita basis, even before it was moved into the super duper deepest dark red, Pattaya had greater infection rate than Bangkok.

 

So many folks left Bangkok from Songkran on, that Delta is probably in every province. Isolation is now a feel good measure; vaccination is what is needed.

45 minutes ago, anchadian said:

These images should make you mad. They should make you upset, they should make you angry, and they should make you want to take action because the time for inaction is over.

 

Last night, local media showed scenes of people who had passed out and/or died on the streets of Bangkok due to either Covid-19 or because they had been malnourished and without support during the lockdown.  

 

Their bodies were left on the side of the street for hours.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30216/opinion-prayut-and-his-ministers-have-brought-this-country-to-its-lowest-point/

Powerful stuff in that Thai Enquirer item and absolutely spot on.

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

3,610 official deaths and counting. You also have to wander how many have died from other causes because the hositals are full and how many are yet to come. Remember also that just 3 months ago April 21 Thailand recorded 2 deaths. I would say then that the number has grown. 100 fold in three months.

Again,

You really need to be far far far more worried of the long term effects of COVID 19.  They are really life altering and far more prolific than these few deaths.  

Just don't get it, keep calm, do your best and you should be fine.  But be very careful.  Sterilize your hands and your phone when you get home.  Wash your face thoroughly.  Don't touch your face.  

You don't want this.  

16 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

It does matter...the truth reveals the extent of their capacity to lie...their capacity to lie is exactly what brought us to this situation today..their capacity to lie indicates their likelihood to be honest in their approach to getting Thailand out of this.

 

Again, for the last few weeks/months when cases were running at 3,000 or 4,000 a day there were none of the signs that people had said would happen.

 

When cases were 3,000 a day, the hospitals were beginning to fill up. And some hospitals were closing due to infections among the staff.

Edited July 21, 20214 yr by Danderman123

Just now, Blumpie said:

Again,

You really need to be far far far more worried of the long term effects of COVID 19.  They are really life altering and far more prolific than these few deaths.  

Just don't get it, keep calm, do your best and you should be fine.  But be very careful.  Sterilize your hands and your phone when you get home.  Wash your face thoroughly.  Don't touch your face.  

You don't want this.  

One precaution I am taking that nobody talks about is I make my own ice, I don’t buy it. Ice factories have been impacted by Covid, and the virus loves the cold.

44 minutes ago, club said:

AstraZeneca will only be able to deliver 5-6 million doses per month but the plan to inoculate at least 10 million people per month will continue with the help of other vaccines, the government said on Tuesday.   What other vaccines? Sinovac, Thai people are not dumb, many will not take it

In reality, if the government presses ahead with its mix strategy, they may not have much choice. 1 sinovac, followed by 1 AZ.

 

but I wonder how many might refuse to have anything, in the hope they get Pfizer at the end of the year. Risky, but they might.

Edited July 21, 20214 yr by wensiensheng

FB has a post from someone who drove from Pattaya to KK via BKK

 

He said not a single checkpoint from start to finish. No restrictions of any kind 

 

if true, hardly surprising why numbers keep growing 

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

R.I.P. another frontline casualty...............

 

Farewell to a #COVID19 frontline nurse who became infected with the virus itself. #Thailand #whatishappeninginthailand  photo via Pichai N.

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1417656685196316672

 

 

Yesterday's COVID death stats included a 14 year old....

 

Edited July 21, 20214 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

One precaution I am taking that nobody talks about is I make my own ice, I don’t buy it. Ice factories have been impacted by Covid, and the virus loves the cold.

That's good.

Remember, if you take lots of precautions chances are you may be fine.  I know how stressful it is to have this blowing up around you.  

I personally think the best thing you can do is limit contact outside your house.  Shop when it's dead and nobody is going out.  

And I think sterilizing your phone and washing your hands and face cannot be overstated.  Plus remember your keys, doorknobs, etc at home.  Be careful.  

48 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Horrible, saw those reports on twitter, terrible images coming through of a very desperate and tragic situation in Bangkok

True, and now it emerges that in India its likely that not 400k but around 3 to 4 million people have died. I wonder how the deniers who say its no worse then a flue will respond. 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-s-covid-deaths-likely-10-times-official-toll-study-n1274450

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The hospitals would have been filled last year if there were so many cases.

I have to agree but it doesn't mean they weren't hiding numbers. There is of course evidence that this government is prepared to hide numbers the prisons being proof of this. It should also be remembered that the Delta variant is an entirely different beast to last year.

33 minutes ago, law ling said:

Wow, all this and they still haven't even actually ordered sufficient quality vaccines  - just dribs and drabs. 

 

I wonder what their game plan actually is ...

Their game plan is to not let anybody else near the trough, all else is irrelevant and just for show.

So much speculation, so little evidence: so much suffering, too little compassion.

 

Truth, and facts, are always back-ordered in Amazing T., requiring a constant adjustment of face.

 

"There are two times in a man's life when he should not speculate, when he can't afford it and when he can." Mark Twain
 

Edited July 21, 20214 yr by orang37
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12 minutes ago, retsdon said:

Since the start of June daily cases have gone up more than 4 fold.

 

Given that very little has changed or been done in the interim and the obvious ineptitude of the government, the prognosis is not good. IMHO 50,000 cases a day is more probable than possible sometime before the end of October. 

This has been exactly my view for the last 3/4 weeks. In amongst the daily noise of numbers and announcements, the virus simply works away remorselessly. It doesn’t matter what the hospital stats are, how many vaccines may or may not be coming, the plain facts are that it is scientifically proven that delta is a highly transmissible virus, the population is largely unvaccinated and uninfected, and there is widespread community spread.

 

it stands to reason that the virus will continue to spread and spread and spread, until there is something to change its course. Thailand has not done anything yet to change the direction of infections. It has started some things, a small number of vaccinations, some restrictions, but neither are a game changer at this point.

 

inevitably cases will rise further. There are plenty of factors to suggest why they will, and none to suggest that they won’t.

 

restrictions and vaccinations are all that’s left in Thailand’s tool box and now it’s a question of watching to see how those tools are utilized and whether either or both become game changers.

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

While on another new thread Prayut is blaming the people for this outbreak during a live facebook interview..............no shame

I still see younger generation happily nearly daily posting pics from parties during lockdowns... big wide smiles with no masks on, a dozen faces in the frame of a camera, with alcohol in hands. One girl in 30s had 8 birthday parties one after another with different groups of people, then started complaining because her favourite bar has closed would not let her have the 9th...

 

How would you describe this? Very responsible behaviour?

At this juncture, it's worth a reminder that the government yesterday began offering a new COVID vaccinations opportunity via online registration to foreign nationals age 60 and above who live in Bangkok and five adjoining provinces (Nakhon Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakarn, Samut Sakhon) and who have not had any prior vaccination shot.

 

The location is the Bang Sue rail center in BKK, and the vaccine being offered is the locally produced AstraZeneca version.

 

The link for registration for that vaccination opportunity is here:

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf_M5LMBUrxjtqtiRjp0dmtAgXHxrOBYN5T__fj_wuUPwen9A/viewform

 

No idea how long this vaccination opportunity for foreign nationals will remain open or how many doses they have set aside there for foreign nationals.

 

The same location is continuing to offer walk-in vaccinations (no pre-registration required) to foreign nationals age 75 and above.

 

 

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003498

 

Edited July 21, 20214 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

32 minutes ago, internationalism said:

the first figure that counts is how many has died.

today 108, so really not growing.

Infections might be rising by thousands daily, in the long run it means herd immunity.

Just don't hospitalise asymptomatic, waste of health resources and unnecessary risk for medics

You'll find that epidemiologists generally measure growth or decline of this pandemic by averaging the past 7 days. Sometimes the past 14 days.

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

These images should make you mad. They should make you upset, they should make you angry, and they should make you want to take action because the time for inaction is over.

 

Last night, local media showed scenes of people who had passed out and/or died on the streets of Bangkok due to either Covid-19 or because they had been malnourished and without support during the lockdown.  

 

Their bodies were left on the side of the street for hours.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30216/opinion-prayut-and-his-ministers-have-brought-this-country-to-its-lowest-point/

Facebook users on Tuesday shared photos of an unidentified man wearing a purple shirt and black pants who reportedly passed out at 10am on a street near Wat Bowonniwet Temple in Bangkok’s Phra Nakhon district. Rescue staff were called and arrived at 2pm, only to find that he had already died.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003532

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Thanks, that's good to know as I've been panicking a little.  I have to do the same trip (BKK-Rayong) later this week, so hopefully it remains like this. 

That's right. Let it spread so your trip to Rayong will be uninterrupted. Good to see your social conscience on display.