Six million more doses of Sinopharm to be procured for Thailand by August

[snoop1130]

Photo by Robert ATANASOVSKI / AFP

 

A total of nine million doses of China’s Sinopharm vaccine are being procured by the Chulabhorn Royal Academy (CRA), to make up for the fewer doses than expected being delivered by AstraZeneca and in an absence of other vaccines, said Ruangkrai Likitwattana, a spokesperson of the parliamentary Budget Committee today (Thursday).

 

Three million doses have already been delivered, with two million more expected in two weeks, leaving four million more to be procured, said Mr. Ruangkrai, following a meeting with CRA representatives yesterday.

 

Priority will be given to people with disabilities, monks, priests, the elderly, pregnant women and others without access to vaccination.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/six-million-more-doses-of-sinopharm-to-be-procured-for-thailand-by-august/

 

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[ThailandRyan]

Just one question.....Why?

[Scott]

A post with unsubstantiated claims has been removed.  

 

[tingtong]

A study last week, ran in Hungary, testing the development of antibodies/ immunity in elderly.

With 18000 participants.

The study found that for over 60 age group, Sinopharm were greatly underperforming, giving false sense of security.

The average in age group of 60-80 who didn't develop any immunity was some 24% with Sinopharm!!

In contrast, 

With Pfeizer, Moderna, AZ, JJ or Sputnik ( the other vaccines in use, no Sinovac there!), the numbers were 1-3 % respectively.

 

I don't want to link the source, I am sure an internet search would find it, was published earlier this week.

It was prompted by one major company testing all their vaccinated elderly, finding very similar conclusion, that this larger study in turn confirmed.

 

Since Sinopharm in Thailand isn't a free vaccine, just buyers beware if you are over 60, cos it may be not the right solution .

 

Now Hungary offers a 3rd vaccine ( Pfeizer is suggested) to these elderly, from August.

My mom will get it as well; she was vaccinated with Sinopharm ( in April).

 

[Soikhaonoiken]

Heard this loads of time how they procured/ ordered/signed up/going to prchase/  Thailand must have zillions of vaccine by now,, but yet they are still not getting into arms... 

[Heng]

I wonder when they'll start thinking about getting children vaccinated.

[Damrongsak]

4 minutes ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

Heard this loads of time how they procured/ ordered/signed up/going to prchase/  Thailand must have zillions of vaccine by now,, but yet they are still not getting into arms... 

Coming to a noodle cart near you soon.

[wasabi]

Maybe they could just put Saline solution in vials instead.

[Damrongsak]

37 minutes ago, wasabi said:

Maybe they could just put Saline solution in vials instead.

Some of these shots use a saline diluent I think.  Fish sauce is rather saline and well tolerated by the local populace.  But I hear that some of the high-end Vietnamese fish sauce is much better than run-of-the-mill Thai Nam Pla sauce. Isaan Pla Raa is definitely out due to possible clotting problems. 

Edited July 22, 2021 by Damrongsak

[RichardColeman]

 

If below is up to date , China must be raking it in from their latest disease to the world - 810,000,000 doses used and ordered - $24,000,000,000 - whilst destroying the world's economies. If I wasn't cynical I'd say that's a deliberate business plan.

 

From net : 

• On 1 June 2021, the World Health Organization (WHO) validated the vaccine for emergency use, by which time over 430 million doses of CoronaVac had already been administered globally. Sinovac has signed purchase agreements for 380 million doses from COVAX.
• According to the official statement from the Jiaxing’s CDC, Sinovac Biotech’s experimental vaccine, called CoronaVac, is a two-dose vaccine, which costs $30 per dose.

 

[rabas]

5 hours ago, tingtong said:

A study last week, ran in Hungary, testing the development of antibodies/ immunity in elderly.

With 18000 participants.

The study found that for over 60 age group, Sinopharm were greatly underperforming, giving false sense of security.

The average in age group of 60-80 who didn't develop any immunity was some 24% with Sinopharm!!

In contrast, 

With Pfeizer, Moderna, AZ, JJ or Sputnik ( the other vaccines in use, no Sinovac there!), the numbers were 1-3 % respectively.

 

I don't want to link the source, I am sure an internet search would find it, was published earlier this week.

It was prompted by one major company testing all their vaccinated elderly, finding very similar conclusion, that this larger study in turn confirmed.

 

Since Sinopharm in Thailand isn't a free vaccine, just buyers beware if you are over 60, cos it may be not the right solution .

 

Now Hungary offers a 3rd vaccine ( Pfeizer is suggested) to these elderly, from August.

My mom will get it as well; she was vaccinated with Sinopharm ( in April).

 

A reference to the Hungary results. 

https://hungarytoday.hu/sinopharm-antibody-tests-hungary-vaccines/

 

"Based off the comparison of inadequate versus adequate antibody levels and acknowledging that there were far more Sinopharm test samples to pull results from, Pfizer proved 99.25 percent effective, Sputnik 94.53 percent effective, and Sinopharm 76.10 percent effective."

 

[AsiaCheese]

6 hours ago, tingtong said:

A study last week, ran in Hungary, testing the development of antibodies/ immunity in elderly.

With 18000 participants.

The study found that for over 60 age group, Sinopharm were greatly underperforming, giving false sense of security.

The average in age group of 60-80 who didn't develop any immunity was some 24% with Sinopharm!!

In contrast, 

With Pfeizer, Moderna, AZ, JJ or Sputnik ( the other vaccines in use, no Sinovac there!), the numbers were 1-3 % respectively.

 

I don't want to link the source, I am sure an internet search would find it, was published earlier this week.

It was prompted by one major company testing all their vaccinated elderly, finding very similar conclusion, that this larger study in turn confirmed.

 

Since Sinopharm in Thailand isn't a free vaccine, just buyers beware if you are over 60, cos it may be not the right solution .

 

Now Hungary offers a 3rd vaccine ( Pfeizer is suggested) to these elderly, from August.

My mom will get it as well; she was vaccinated with Sinopharm ( in April).

 

Lots of food for thought! But seeing as one doesn't really get to choose which vaccine one gets (if any at all, if you're a foreigner who doesn't happen to live in BKK), and proper vaccine-for-money (mRNA) seems to be way off in the future, what options are there???!!!

 

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, wasabi said:

Maybe they could just put Saline solution in vials instead.

Don't give them ideas - each jab to come with a free sachet of "fah talai jone", off home you go and crack on!

[bradiston]

7 hours ago, tingtong said:

A study last week, ran in Hungary, testing the development of antibodies/ immunity in elderly.

With 18000 participants.

The study found that for over 60 age group, Sinopharm were greatly underperforming, giving false sense of security.

The average in age group of 60-80 who didn't develop any immunity was some 24% with Sinopharm!!

In contrast, 

With Pfeizer, Moderna, AZ, JJ or Sputnik ( the other vaccines in use, no Sinovac there!), the numbers were 1-3 % respectively.

 

I don't want to link the source, I am sure an internet search would find it, was published earlier this week.

It was prompted by one major company testing all their vaccinated elderly, finding very similar conclusion, that this larger study in turn confirmed.

 

Since Sinopharm in Thailand isn't a free vaccine, just buyers beware if you are over 60, cos it may be not the right solution .

 

Now Hungary offers a 3rd vaccine ( Pfeizer is suggested) to these elderly, from August.

My mom will get it as well; she was vaccinated with Sinopharm ( in April).

 

Why not publish the source? Hardly credible without.

[sathornlover]

4 hours ago, bradiston said:

Why not publish the source? Hardly credible without.

New Hungarian Research Finds Sinopharm Ineffective in a Quarter of People Over 60

„measurable antibody levels were present in about 90% of individuals below the age of 50, but antibody production after Sinopharm vaccination was strongly reduced with increasing age. A large number of elderly subjects, reaching 25% at 60 years, and up to 50% at ages over 80 were found not to produce any protective antibodies.”

[mtls2005]

Simply amazing how quickly SOME vaccines can be ordered, and delivered.

 

 

If only such performance could be achieved with OTHER vaccines?

 

 

Oh well, mysterious Thailand.

 

 

[bradiston]

4 hours ago, sathornlover said:

New Hungarian Research Finds Sinopharm Ineffective in a Quarter of People Over 60

„measurable antibody levels were present in about 90% of individuals below the age of 50, but antibody production after Sinopharm vaccination was strongly reduced with increasing age. A large number of elderly subjects, reaching 25% at 60 years, and up to 50% at ages over 80 were found not to produce any protective antibodies.”

So what's your point?

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, wasabi said:

Maybe they could just put Saline solution in vials instead.

Looks like they have already.

[tranquilogringo]

Sinopharm view from WHO:

 

A large multi-country Phase 3 trial has shown that 2 doses, administered at an interval of 21 days, have an efficacy of 79% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection 14 or more days after the second dose. Vaccine efficacy against hospitalization was 79%.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sinopharm-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

[topt]

9 minutes ago, bradiston said:

So what's your point?

What's yours? ????

 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, topt said:

What's yours? ????

 

SML....

[bradiston]

1 minute ago, topt said:

What's yours? ????

 

I was asking for a source link, not a selective quote in triple bold shock horror headline font.

[topt]

1 minute ago, bradiston said:

I was asking for a source link, not a selective quote in triple bold shock horror headline font.

If you had bothered to look 3 posts above your original put down (and posted well over an hour before you posted) @rabas had already posted a link.

[crazykopite]

I am one of the lucky ones i was jabbed two weeks ago with AZ only because i live in a sandbox area and 70% had to be vaccinated before overseas tourists are allowed onto the island  can only assume that every vaccine available was shipped down to the sandbox areas in order to try and bring tourism back to Thailand sadly this sandbox idea will fail those coming back appear to be ex pats who were stuck in other countries and have taken the opportunity to use the sandbox to get back into the country one of those is a friend of mine . Everyday we hear announcements about procuring vaccine 1, 2, 3 million but Thailand has 66 million + population these figures being spewed out are pure fantasy it will take years at this rate and sadly the good folk of Thailand will suffer while those in power will ensure that there wealth is protected or dare i say even increased with brown envelopes exchanging hands 

[sathornlover]

16 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I was asking for a source link, not a selective quote in triple bold shock horror headline font.

I have merely taken the liberty, upon request, to name another source which again points to the laboratory study and which came to the conclusion that in older people over 60 considerably fewer or no antibodies are formed in comparison to other vaccines. To what extent one can actually conclude from this that the immune defence of this group of people is only very limited or even non-existent against the virus, only time will tell - I will wait for the results with an open mind and hopefully you will too ...

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by sathornlover

[herfiehandbag]

6 hours ago, wasabi said:

Maybe they could just put Saline solution in vials instead.

Oh we would know if they were to do that - the production of saline solution would be made a monopoly in the hands of one of the favoured clans!

[sathornlover]

40 minutes ago, tranquilogringo said:

Sinopharm view from WHO:

 

A large multi-country Phase 3 trial has shown that 2 doses, administered at an interval of 21 days, have an efficacy of 79% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection 14 or more days after the second dose. Vaccine efficacy against hospitalization was 79%.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sinopharm-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

Thank you for sharing the WHO page.
On which we can read the following hint:

 

"The trial was not designed and powered to demonstrate efficacy against severe disease in persons with comorbidities, in pregnancy, or in persons aged 60 years and above. Women were underrepresented in the trial. The median duration of follow-up available at the time of evidence review was 112 days. 

Two other efficacy trials are under way but data are not yet available."

[Rimmer]

Posts denigrating and calling Chinese vaccines useless has been removed.

Whilst it may be less effective in certain cases ie Delta strain it is by no means useless.

At the end of the day this is a Thai government sponsored vaccine and the forum and or yourself can get in trouble for comments like this so stop it.

[pissedoff2am]

14 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Just one question.....Why?

Because vaccines save lives. Are you an antivaxxer?

[ThailandRyan]

26 minutes ago, pissedoff2am said:

Because vaccines save lives. Are you an antivaxxer?

Not in the least, but why Sinopharm and not the ones they claim to have ordered by the millions from Moderna, Pfizer and J&J, not to forget the AZ they claimed would be delivered in the 10's of millions monthly. Oh and let's not forget the failure to join Vovax which only now they are on bended knees trying to join.  Enjoy the CCP vaccines.

Edited July 23, 2021 by ThailandRyan