2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Insanity. No medical or scientific reason to do this. 

Maybe a 3rd shot after 6 months, of a different flavor vaccine.

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I know one who's had 4, or will have had when he's had his 2nd Pfizer.

That’s not 5 though which was the point of the post

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Exactly. Anyone with the smallest bit of intelligence knows the figures are complete nonsense. Always have been. Only the fanboys believe them. Sad really.

I think everyone accepts that the figures are at best flawed and, more likely, as you say, nonsense! Where we disagree (I think) is what to do about it.  We're certainly not in a position to influence the government or to get hold of accurate figures, which will still be disputed.

 

Either way, in my opinion, nonsense figures or not, it's time to start opening up (slowly!) for the sake of the economy and people's sanity!

 

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Excuse me for my self interest here but my daughter is in grade 6 and she's pretty cluey. I want her to be in the number 1 high school in the province next year. Getting into this school is not easy. As it is she's in a private school which for me is pretty expensive with high student/teacher ratios and the online teaching is well under par.  I don't know how this is going to play out but her future may be on the line.

I'm sorry to disagree with you about first grade setting up the builing blocks for all future learning. This should already be in place with early years learning and then built open. I understand where you are coming from though.  I agree with the rest of what you say. Definitely not trying to be argumentative for the sake of self satisfaction like the minority of posters on here.

 Whats your reason then? ????

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I think everyone accepts that the figures are at best flawed and, more likely, as you say, nonsense! Where we disagree (I think) is what to do about it.  We're certainly not in a position to influence the government or to get hold of accurate figures, which will still be disputed.

 

Either way, in my opinion, nonsense figures or not, it's time to start opening up (slowly!) for the sake of the economy and people's sanity!

Correct for the sale of the economy, the children, businesses, people’s mental and physical health and well-being, jobs, and the real Thai people who are struggling for survival who don’t have the luxury of siting of sitting in a nice comfy chair watching those pensions come rolling in. 

 

Fortunately the government know this too hence the decisions that are being taken in light of the reducing number of infections and predicted trends to take the first step back to normality 

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2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I think everyone accepts that the figures are at best flawed and, more likely, as you say, nonsense! Where we disagree (I think) is what to do about it.  We're certainly not in a position to influence the government or to get hold of accurate figures, which will still be disputed.

 

Either way, in my opinion, nonsense figures or not, it's time to start opening up (slowly!) for the sake of the economy and people's sanity!

I would like that too. Pity that so few are fully vaccinated and so many are either single or doudle vaccinated with sinovac and that the majority of the country is unvaccinated. 

52 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don’t believe they’ll go straight up through Oct, I also see no other posters saying this, can you show an example?

I agree, i would have thought that a real first wave starting in April, combined with lockdown lite, would be beginning to run out of steam 5 months later.

It's when schools and social interactions restart that we will see how effective Thailand's vaccination campaign is.

 

31 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Are you punch drunk Marvin? 

Nah  its the Queenslander in him.

Several baiting, troll. and flame comments have been removed.

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I would like that too. Pity that so few are fully vaccinated and so many are either single or doudle vaccinated with sinovac and that the majority of the country is unvaccinated. 

Current predictions show that by the beginning of January, 70% of the population will be double jabbed so their plans for opening up seem on track. 

 

I can post the link if you haven’t seen it 

 

Also Sinovac still offers good protection albeit not as good as some others
 
 

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22 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Insanity. No medical or scientific reason to do this. 

if your first two shots were Sinovac there would be 

Chinese-made vaccines not effective against Delta variant after one dose

 

A single dose of the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines is only 13.8 per cent effective against the new Delta variant, a recent study conducted in Guangzhou, China shows.

 

The research shows that while two shots of the Chinese vaccines are effective at, 59 per cent in preventing the Delta strain and 70.2 to 100 per cent effective at preventing severe symptoms caused by the variant, a single shot of the vaccines was only 13.8 per cent effective in preventing COVID-19 infections.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/31677/chinese-made-vaccines-not-effective-against-delta-variant-after-one-dose/

21 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Chinese-made vaccines not effective against Delta variant after one dose

 

A single dose of the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines is only 13.8 per cent effective against the new Delta variant, a recent study conducted in Guangzhou, China shows.

 

The research shows that while two shots of the Chinese vaccines are effective at, 59 per cent in preventing the Delta strain and 70.2 to 100 per cent effective at preventing severe symptoms caused by the variant, a single shot of the vaccines was only 13.8 per cent effective in preventing COVID-19 infections.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/31677/chinese-made-vaccines-not-effective-against-delta-variant-after-one-dose/

Actually I did a post on that study on Sunday, it’s actually only for the Sinopharm vaccine.

 

First ever published study on one of the Chinese vaccines, Sinopharm against the delta variant:

 

Caveat, small sample group cohorts and study conducted in Guangzhou city

 

Summary:

 

1 dose of vaccine provided very little protection against infection (13.8%).  

2 doses age adjusted 59% against infection, 70.2% against moderate disease and 100% against severe disease (caveat very small group). Additional caveats, study cohort relatively young may overestimate protection vs. delta.

 

Obviously with small groups in this study the effect in large real world settings would bring down numbers significantly so as an example the 100% protection against severe disease would come right down.

 

Study is here: 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2021.1969291

 

Now we need to wait for a published study for Sinovac with delta however I doubt that will come from China as they've still not released the original phase 3 trial data that WHO was waiting for.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually I did a post on that study on Sunday, it’s actually only for the Sinopharm vaccine.

 

 

First ever published study on one of the Chinese vaccines, Sinopharm against the delta variant:

 

Caveat, small sample group cohorts and study conducted in Guangzhou city

 

Summary:

 

1 dose of vaccine provided very little protection against infection (13.8%).  

2 doses age adjusted 59% against infection, 70.2% against moderate disease and 100% against severe disease (caveat very small group). Additional caveats, study cohort relatively young may overestimate protection vs. delta.

 

Obviously with small groups in this study the effect in large real world settings would bring down numbers significantly so as an example the 100% protection against severe disease would come right down.

 

Study is here: 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2021.1969291

 

Now we need to wait for a published study for Sinovac with delta however I doubt that will come from China as they've still not released the original phase 3 trial data that WHO was waiting for.

I thought it rang a bell when I saw that the study was carried out in Guangzhou city

Thailand’s antibody test kits on trials with medics at Thammasat University

Thai researchers at the National Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology (BIOTEC) and the Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Sciences (AFRIMS) have successfully developed a COVID-19 antibody test kit, which was proven to have high rates of sensitivity and specificity, according to Dr. Peera Jaruampornpan, head of the virology and cell technology at BIOTEC.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-antibody-test-kits-on-trials-with-medics-at-thammasat-uni/

 

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Thailand’s antibody test kits on trials with medics at Thammasat University

Thai researchers at the National Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology (BIOTEC) and the Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Sciences (AFRIMS) have successfully developed a COVID-19 antibody test kit, which was proven to have high rates of sensitivity and specificity, according to Dr. Peera Jaruampornpan, head of the virology and cell technology at BIOTEC.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-antibody-test-kits-on-trials-with-medics-at-thammasat-uni/

 

Already in use in the UK. Got to love these stories that make it seem this is a first.

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Good news, more recoveries than new cases.

 

Why is anyone concerned about prisoners?

Probably because that's where the current govt. mob will end up!

According to medical reports, 17% of COVID patients who suffer from high blood pressure are likely to develop abnormal heartbeats; 7% of infection of heart muscles, and 9% of blood circulation failure which will subsequently lead to heart failure.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1430102259468181505

 

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Encouraging news. 

 

I think a gradual easing of lockdown measures is appropriate now. Let people decide for themselves by giving them a level of autonomy and personal responsibility. That way, those who wish to get on with their lives can do so with what they consider to be the appropriate degree of caution. Those who wish to remain in lockdown for another 6-12 months are also free to do so.

I would agree but if you had a high level of vaccination in the population. Social responsibility is all well and good but unfortunately a lot of people do not have it. Once vaccination has been offered to all eligible, sure, open up and anyone unvaccinated who becomes seriously ill be it on their own head. In the meantime those who will let rip with the freedom and catch the virus may then pass it on to someone who will be badly affected. If a gradual relaxation is done, fair enough, but the government must have the conviction to let the population know that if cases start rising they will reinstate measures. Problem in Thailand is they don't know the true extent of the virus infection due to poor testing numbers and the look of the government and protection of the hi-so business activities take priority IMO.

You won't get 'return to normal' immunity until 75-85% of adults  have been double jabbed.  Then it may start to resemble a bad flu year.  But then you will need boosters because latest evidence suggests even the Pfzizer vaccine loses its potency quickly.  With the current rate of vaccination I'd say about a year.  Until then it's some form of lockdown, and with the Delta variant around there isn't any such thing as soft lockdown.

26 minutes ago, anchadian said:

According to medical reports, 17% of COVID patients who suffer from high blood pressure are likely to develop abnormal heartbeats; 7% of infection of heart muscles, and 9% of blood circulation failure which will subsequently lead to heart failure.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1430102259468181505

 

Interesting, I wonder, is there any difference in outcome for those who don't actually have high blood pressure due to successfully treating it as opposed to someone who has say, stage 2 hypertension which remains completely untreated as they don't bother taking measures to fix it?

 

There's a world of difference between someone with a BP of 120/80 who takes a couple of ACE inhibitors and perhaps a beta blocker or two each day to maintain that and someone who has a BP of 150/100 all the time.

 

I did read that the actual blood pressure as measured itself is the important factor so it will be interesting to find out if medications make a big difference to COVID outcome.

There are also some very interesting things that have been noticed and spurred additional research since the start of this pandemic, specifically in people who take 'ACE inhibitors' or 'fibrates' for their cholesterol, specifically fenofibrate - a small study came out yesterday and was reported in Israel regarding Fenofibrate and how it can alter the trajectory of a serious (hospital case) COVID infection.

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Department of Medical Sciences and Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics disclosed that 4 new subvariants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus were found in Thailand and would be closely monitored.

@TNAMCOT

 

https://twitter.com/TNAMCOTEnglish/status/1430110996211769351

Department of Medical Sciences and Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics disclosed that 4 new sub-variants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus 

Full Approval Likely for Pfizer Vaccine

 

BANGKOK, Aug 24 (TNA) – The Food and Drug Administration in Thailand seeks more information about the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer after its American counterpart approved the full-scale administration of the vaccine for people aged 16 years and over.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-765128

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Department of Medical Sciences and Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics disclosed that 4 new subvariants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus were found in Thailand and would be closely monitored.

@TNAMCOT

 

https://twitter.com/TNAMCOTEnglish/status/1430110996211769351

Department of Medical Sciences and Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics disclosed that 4 new sub-variants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus 

Ruhro Shaggy. Getting a little more tenuous....

6 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Should all foreigners not take the Sinovac offered and leave the Moderna to front line Thais or the vulnerable unvaccinated Thais too? 

Are they not also being a little selfish?

I will also rise to the bait. I am 66 years old and all over 60 were told that Sinovac is not appropriate for that age group. Someone somewhere has suddenly said different but I have seen no evidence of this published. Then there is a problem with Sinovac not being recognised by UK if I had to suddenly fly home. Hence the reason why I am waiting for Moderna as is my Thai wife which we have registered for and paid. It is a 99.9% certainty that this will happen in October. So, no, we are not being selfish at all. And by the way, Pfizer is the one that has been earmarked for the front line Thais.

10 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Department of Medical Sciences and Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics disclosed that 4 new subvariants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus were found in Thailand and would be closely monitored.

@TNAMCOT

 

https://twitter.com/TNAMCOTEnglish/status/1430110996211769351

Department of Medical Sciences and Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics disclosed that 4 new subvariants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus 

It's only a matter of time, all of South East Asia is the perfect breeding ground for the next generation of variants, the genetic children of Delta. It's going to be interesting to see how it turns out over the rest of the year and into early 2022.

 

Variants don't need to be worse than what came before....

 

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Just watched a news story on Channel 36 of a Thai man who was vaccinated twice with Sinovac, then went to the US and was double vaccinated with Moderna, he then returned here and obtained his 5th vaccination, a booster of Pfizer.  What the hell is wrong with people, 5 vaccines in 6 months.  He must be really scared of getting the virus while many here still have no vaccinations, this is a sad reality and tells us that if you have money then you can do what you want and need to stay safe.....

Seen that story several times on telly. Not sure what the locals think, but seems to be amusement.

I get my second free Pfizer shot in two weeks, and will take a Moderna (already paid) in two months, but I am an immune compromised old wreck, and enjoy hanging around my wife of two years.????

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Further details:

 

Thailand’s Ramathibodi Hospital has found 4 new sub-variants of the Delta strain of the novel coronavirus in samples analyzed by the Hospital.

 

The head of Ramathibodi Hospital’s Centre for Medical Genomics, Prof Dr. Wasun Chatratita, said the sub-variants were detected in samples received from several hospitals across Thailand.

 

He said sub-variant AY.4 (B.1.617.2.4) was found in 3% of samples sent in from Pathum Thani, while AY.6 (B.1.617.2.6) was detected in 1% of samples from all over the country. Meanwhile, sub-variants AY.10 (B.1.617.2.10) and AY.12 AY.12 (B.1.617.2.15) were found in 1% of samples sent in from Bangkok.

 

https://www.facebook.com/130075662049/posts/10158217187467050/

 

Four Delta sub-variants found in Thailand no immediate cause for alarm

 

He assured the public, however, that there is no cause for panic at the moment, as infections by the four sub-variants are still limited and there is very little information about their severity. He explained that all the genetic information on the sub-variants has been uploaded to “GISAID”, the global databank on COVID-19, adding that close monitoring of the sub-variants will have to be undertaken if there are more cases.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/four-delta-sub-variants-found-in-thailand-no-immediate-cause-for-alarm/

Edited August 24, 20215 yr by anchadian

32 minutes ago, worrab said:

I will also rise to the bait. I am 66 years old and all over 60 were told that Sinovac is not appropriate for that age group. Someone somewhere has suddenly said different but I have seen no evidence of this published. Then there is a problem with Sinovac not being recognised by UK if I had to suddenly fly home. Hence the reason why I am waiting for Moderna as is my Thai wife which we have registered for and paid. It is a 99.9% certainty that this will happen in October. So, no, we are not being selfish at all. And by the way, Pfizer is the one that has been earmarked for the front line Thais.

Had my first Pfizer shot this morning. One of two farangs in a sea of Thai folk queued up for either Pfizer or AZ shots. Older and disabled were all directed to Pfizer stations.

I will also take my paid up Moderna in November, as an immuno-compromised old fart.

Edited August 24, 20215 yr by Kwaibill