No CCSA decision yet on Bangkok reopening on Oct 15th, quarantine remains

[CANSIAM]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

OK but what about the millions of Thais who are now in survival mode and their level of survival/desperation getting worse by the day?

 

18 or more months now of survival/desperation, ramp up vaccinations, buckle down 3 more months get the local vaccinated percentage way up........ get fixed up from within....

[joecoolfrog]

3 hours ago, bristolgeoff said:

I reckon dec or jan is still  looking good  for us to return to thailand.So many are waiting

Im not sure the UK will even have taken Thailand out of the red zone by December.

[scorecard]

12 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

18 or more months now of survival/desperation, ramp up vaccinations, buckle down 3 more months get the local vaccinated percentage way up........ get fixed up from within....

Yep, got your point.

 

My point is that there needs to me a multi pronged approach which a good government could create:

 

1. Get vaccinations up fast for all citizens and all other folks who are in Thailand permenantly/long-term.

2. Get some parts of the economy open (with full vaccinations) to get as many people as possible back to work. (Keeping everybody totally locked down for another 3, 6, 12 months is not the answer.)

[joecoolfrog]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

OK but what about the millions of Thais who are now in survival mode and their level of survival/desperation getting worse by the day?

 

The Thai regime has paid little attention to the plebs for the last year , I doubt they will enter consideration now.

[samtam]

9 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Come on now guys! Is it 1 Oct, 15 Oct or 1 Nov? I am getting confused here.

...at the end of Neverember, to be precise.

Edited September 18, 2021 by samtam

[Gottfrid]

1 minute ago, samtam said:

...at the end of Neverember, to be precise.

Is that actually a month?

[DjSilver]

13 hours ago, ukrules said:

They will never understand. It's very clear that the Thai response to COVID is following some kind of procedure dreamed up in China.

 

Where else do they have forced isolation in specially constructed slums for COVID patients, I'm referring to the COVID prisons of course.

 

China did this from day 1, Thailand copied. I just wonder who gave the order, I suspect it came from China.

Thailand should have done like Sweden. No lockdown at all.

[GrandPapillon]

51 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Is that actually a month?

it is in Thailand ????

[GrandPapillon]

20 minutes ago, DjSilver said:

Thailand should have done like Sweden. No lockdown at all.

The Sweden model will eventually be the textbook case on how to deal with a pandemic, might take another 10 years of academic studies to come to that conclusion though

[dunroaming]

14 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

2022, that's the earliest time possible

Yesterday the UK announced eight countries removed from the red list and dumped the amber list completely.  As far as I can see Thailand is not on that list so remains firmly on the red list.  It will be reviewed on a regular basis, but for now, going to Britain means quarantine and a hefty bill!  Consequently I doubt many will be heading for a Thai beach any time soon.

[thaibook]

20 hours ago, cclub75 said:

Here we go.... It's reopening... without reopening.

 

We had quarantine before (14 days).... We will have quarantine after the "reopening"... If we are lucky... 7 days... In any case, it won't change anything.

 

Tourists (real) won't come. The high season is... dead.

 

I'm wondering how many millions destitute people they need, with all the associated social and political problems.... to understand that their way of thinking is a total deadend ?

 

We can live with Covid. The grotesque terror has to stop. Protect the real virus targets (old and fragile people) with vaccines... And let the vast majority of the population, not concerned by this virus, FREE and let them live normally.

 

Applies to most countries.  The USA does not even allow visitors from Europe.  There is no option of quarantine just a simple ban.

 

Thailand started late and with the wrong vaccine but has been doing fairly well recently.

 

The fear is irrational but from the public not the government.  The lockdowns are to assuage the public fear.  Compare the mortality figures for traffic accidents and covid and their demographics and it is clear that covid under present conditions is not a health care catastrophe although it could have been. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

20 hours ago, cclub75 said:

We can live with Covid. The grotesque terror has to stop. Protect the real virus targets (old and fragile people) with vaccines...

 Bangkok, by its own count, has only fully vaccinated about 40% of its population thus far. They're nowwhere close to the government's self-stated 70% goal or the more likely 85% target many think is required to deal with the Delta variant.

 

Pretty much no one gets a free pass from COVID, regardless of their demographic. Yes, the hospitalization and death numbers are higher for older folks and those with various medical conditions, especially among the unvaccinated. But there also are unvacccinated infants and children dying of COVID around the world, including here in Thailand.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/408045277480469/?type=3

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[LongTimeLurker]

9 hours ago, 10baht said:

Does this include domestic fully vaccinated people , Thais and foreigners? Or just international travelers? Or just tourists? Not those with a retirement visa? Is this a translation problem?

Must be international travellers as Pattaya is full of Bangkokians at the moment.

[paulikens]

its the thai way... leave everything to the last minute.  

 

[ukrules]

6 hours ago, shackleton said:

Why don't the Government put their hands up and just say until all have received the vaccine Bangkok and the Concerned Provinces will remain closed until year end  to outside Country Tourists

Year end 2021 is rather optimistic

[James105]

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

The new variants such as Delta do not simply target the very old and fragile , that is the flaw in your argument.

There will be no complete ' opening up ' until 60-70 % of the population as a whole are fully vaccinated.

That im afraid is still a number of months down the line , perhaps if we are lucky early next year.

It does target the older people though, which is the flaw in your argument.   This is from Public Health England between 9 Aug and 5 Sep 2021 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf)

 

[samtam]

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Is that actually a month?

Yes, in the Thai calendar. It happens more than once a year.

[mjakob007]

14 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Come on now guys! Is it 1 Oct, 15 Oct or 1 Nov? I am getting confused here

The real question is, which year!

[smudger1951]

15 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Come on now guys! Is it 1 Oct, 15 Oct or 1 Nov? I am getting confused here.

Can we settle on mid November ? We could book a flex-flight.

PS; Visa exempt travel to Los will be 30 days.

[natway09]

I said it 6 months ago & will say it again,

If I can welcome you into our bar in Bangkok openly for a Christmas drink 

we will all be very lucky.

What we are scared of is opening for a month & then "Bang" close us down for a 4th time

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, James105 said:

It does target the older people though, which is the flaw in your argument.   This is from Public Health England between 9 Aug and 5 Sep 2021 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf)

 

Sorry the phrase ' does not simply target ' was a bit much for you .

I will spell it out for you ; simply = only ( in this context )

 

[skorp13]

Quarantine means no noticeable recovery in tourism so what are they making plans for?

[Stargeezr]

It seems to me that Thailand had a lot larger percentage of the Thai population who were working in

some capacity with tourism, than the government thought was affected.  Maybe it is also because there were a lot of rich Thai 

families and businesses were involved with companies that were connected in some way to the vast

tourism machine in Thailand. Either way these 18 months have affected a ton of people all over the world, as well as in Thailand.

  Maybe the value of tourism will be better for a few months, before we are all just a money source as we were

before the pandemic.  Just a thought.

Geezer

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Bangkok’s October tourism reopening not finalized by CCSA

 

 

BANGKOK (NNT) - The plan to reopen Bangkok to international tourists from 15 October is being questioned, as to whether the city is actually ready. The government’s COVID-19 task force said today that any reopening plan needs to be evaluated by the Ministry of Public Health first.

 

The Center for COVID-19 Situation Administration’s (CCSA) Assistant Spokesperson Dr Apisamai Srirangsan, has addressed plans for certain provinces including Bangkok to reopen to international tourists in October, saying that all such plans are yet to receive final approval from the CCSA.

 

To revive the country’s tourism sector, which was one of the country’s most important economic drivers pre-pandemic, some tourism provinces plan to open some of their districts to vaccinated international tourists, who would not be subject to hotel quarantine during their visit.

 

This particular arrangement has already been piloted in the Phuket Sandbox and Samui Plus campaigns, where fully vaccinated international visitors fly into these areas and stay in specific accommodation without serving quarantine. Tourists in these campaigns are however not allowed to travel outside the dedicated area, until a set number of days have passed.

 

A similar plan was announced recently to allow Bangkok to reopen to international visitors in an arrangement similar to the Sandbox protocols, from 15th October. The plan was however dismissed by City Hall, which says the city isn’t ready, citing the limited rate of vaccination uptake.

 

Dr Apisamai said any plans to open certain areas to international tourists will need to be evaluated by the Ministry of Public Health, with outbreak control and response measures carefully implemented.

 

She said area surveys must be conducted before submitting such plans to the CCSA for approval, adding that the 14-day quarantine requirement is still in effect.

 

For each reopening proposal, the Ministry of Public Health will need to assess preparedness and measures already in place in the area, including protocols for new cases and clusters.

 

The CCSA now aims to raise the rate of vaccination uptake to 50% of Thailand’s population by the end of October, with 70% of the vulnerable population vaccinated by that time. Areas that are planning to receive international tourists should have at least 80% of residents vaccinated.

 

There are now eight provinces in Thailand where more than half the local population has already received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine, namely Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Samut Sakhon, Samut Prakan, Chachoengsao, Chonburi, Phuket, and Phang Nga. Meanwhile, five provinces have reported more than 70% of their vulnerable population is now vaccinated, namely Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Phuket, Ranong, and Phang Nga.

 

 

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[smedly]

40 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The Center for COVID-19 Situation Administration’s (CCSA) Assistant Spokesperson Dr Apisamai Srirangsan, has addressed plans for certain provinces including Bangkok to reopen to international tourists in October, saying that all such plans are yet to receive final approval from the CCSA.

Bit of a power struggle going on

 

The Bangkok Governor has already ruled on this

 

I thought the CCSA was being disbanded 

 

TAT will be along soon to clear all this up 

 

While Anutin buries his head in a sandbox claiming "I know nothing" 

[rupert the bear]

IMO opinion if someones double vaxxed with a non Xi vacc and tests neg before getting on the plane they can enter without any scams to relieve u of cash,they r better covered and tested than most locals,the economys been destroyed millions jobless,many businesses dead or dying and zero help from halfwit control.theyve plenty of money.over there in a certain north european country  and also in the submarine and train sets from china fund.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Areas that are planning to receive international tourists should have at least 80% of residents vaccinated.

 

Bangkok, as of Sept 15, was at less than 40% of its total "official" population fully vaccinated, and that 7.7 million population count those percentages are based on is a considerable undercount to the actual 10 million or so current population here.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/408045277480469

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

This particular arrangement has already been piloted in the Phuket Sandbox and Samui Plus campaigns, where fully vaccinated international visitors fly into these areas and stay in specific accommodation without serving quarantine.

In every sense that is quarantine.

[schvonsky1]

On 9/18/2021 at 7:53 AM, samtam said:

...at the end of Neverember, to be precise.

I’d say beginning December 

[EricTh]

Do we need to quarantine in Bangkok if we are coming from a red zone province in Thailand?

Edited September 19, 2021 by EricTh