Are zoomers any better than boomers?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

4 hours ago, Chad3000 said:

Bill Maher has had a come round and seen the left for what it is. Interesting to watch his monologues last few months.

 

It's not the left of the 50-70s.

 

I despise what's going on ttoday in the US and the world.  It's so vapid, ephemeral and.iIntellectuallyvoid.

 

I used to be a fairly open minded pperson - but I'm no longer wanted ...so I'll take my vote and my money to the side where I am wanted.

 

I'm not going to feel shame for being born white lol. That will never happen. That is an insane position I reject out of hand.

On the same show Amy Klobuchar gave a half decent summary of the specifics of what the democrats are trying to achieve including the key issue of negotiating cheaper medicines. On another part of the show they talked about the black white argument and in my opinion no democrat is trying to say you are bad for being born white. The argument is often around the degree to which there is a inherent racism today and I agree some exaggerate. Often it is students who have always gone to extremes, and have a high purity test,  but in 2021 they have a platform thanks to social media and the rest of the media amplify it further.

I try and look at the policies and not the fluff around the edges.  So maybe don't give up totally on the Democrats especially based on the intellectual wasteland of many on the other side. 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 hours ago, HAPPYNUFF said:

Greta Funberg, a self serving little twit, with a face like a twisted prune.   Give her time, she will turn into yet another  politician,  willing to say anything  to get elected.

You are acknowledging that she is not acting like a politician as yet. That indicates you acknowledge she may be honest and sincere now even if you may not agree with her solutions. Can you say why it is bad or self serving for her to have an opinion. Is her argument wrong or is it just that it is too extreme. 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Greta ... seriously, what a joke, a puppet.

 

 

Who is pulling Greta's strings . 

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Who is pulling Greta's strings . 

How dare you ... ask

 

Actually I haven't clue.  The family is rich, and she's self funded now, a good thing.  Rich kids trying to tell the rest of us how to live doesn't really resonate with me.

 

Would think she has handlers and managers, she comes off so fake, actually annoying to watch, so I don't.  IMHO

 

I do what I can to protect the planet, as I was simply raised that way.  Doesn't hurt the wallet either, in the process.  win win, shame others don't just do the right thing.

 

No perfect solution, balancing life, living the way you want and footprint on the planet, unless a subsistent farmer, and that's way too much work & boring.

 

Besides, the planet will adapt to anything humans do, and if we fail to do the right thing, then the planet wins, and we'll all be dead anyway, and life goes on.   Just without humans.

Edited November 7, 2021 by KhunLA

[bojo]

If Greta can galvanise people, especially the young generation to persuade politicians and leaders worldwide to act on climate change, then how she looks and whatever her background is or whatever one thinks of her personally becomes academic....Personally, I can only see good in her..................

[Walker88]

Maher has nailed just about every major issue in the last few years. Four years ago he predicted EXACTLY what the former guy was going to do when he lost. He was dismissed as a Cassandra by the Dems, but like Cassandra, Maher was right, and US democracy teeters on the brink.

 

He called out bitcoin and other cyber dreams for the energy waste they are. As noted in the vid, 'mining' and transactions use more energy than Netflix, Facebook, Google and Apple combined, yet deliver precious little benefit to society.

 

He's called out cancel culture, making light of the fact someone might have done something 40 years ago that today is not acceptable, yet the person is being 'prosecuted' retroactively by new norms. He also calls out the far left for their delusional self-view that they would have been different if living through the years when women were 'barefoot and pregnant' or Blacks were 'Negroes' or worse terms, or when we called gay men 'confirmed bachelors'. He calls out the far right for being as anti-Democratic and thug-worshiping as they are.

 

He's called out the "anti-Socialists", pointing out that everything from interstate highways to the Defense Dept to FDIC insurance to FDA food inspection and a host of other programs are 'socialism'. He's pointed out that 'fiscal conservative Repubs' only care when not in power, but are wild spendthrifts when they hold the combination to the money box.

 

Now he has called out the Neo Narcissists for what they really are. It's likely the most common human trait is hypocrisy, and Maher never holds back pointing that out. He offends both extremes, which likely means he's doing something right.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Maher has nailed just about every major issue in the last few years. Four years ago he predicted EXACTLY what the former guy was going to do when he lost. He was dismissed as a Cassandra by the Dems, but like Cassandra, Maher was right, and US democracy teeters on the brink.

 

He called out bitcoin and other cyber dreams for the energy waste they are. As noted in the vid, 'mining' and transactions use more energy than Netflix, Facebook, Google and Apple combined, yet deliver precious little benefit to society.

 

He's called out cancel culture, making light of the fact someone might have done something 40 years ago that today is not acceptable, yet the person is being 'prosecuted' retroactively by new norms. He also calls out the far left for their delusional self-view that they would have been different if living through the years when women were 'barefoot and pregnant' or Blacks were 'Negroes' or worse terms, or when we called gay men 'confirmed bachelors'. He calls out the far right for being as anti-Democratic and thug-worshiping as they are.

 

He's called out the "anti-Socialists", pointing out that everything from interstate highways to the Defense Dept to FDIC insurance to FDA food inspection and a host of other programs are 'socialism'. He's pointed out that 'fiscal conservative Repubs' only care when not in power, but are wild spendthrifts when they hold the combination to the money box.

 

Now he has called out the Neo Narcissists for what they really are. It's likely the most common human trait is hypocrisy, and Maher never holds back pointing that out. He offends both extremes, which likely means he's doing something right.

Yeah, I'm a big fan as well.

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Opposite for me, I saved loads of money because of COVID.

No school expenses or fees, no holiday expenses or fees.

Sitting at home drinking and watching TV is very cheap.

 

As for me as a boomer,

I had no effect of any kind on the world, for good or bad.

Never used excessive amounts of energy.

Never dumped rubbish or cut down forests.

Never started or participated in any wars (or police actions).

Was never mean/unkind towards any other person or group of people.

Didn't keep slaves, or oppress any minority groups.

 

I accept no responsibility for the bad things that happened (real or imaginary) in or to the world.

 

yea, what he said ... also not carrying any guilt complex around with me  ...

... but I ain't giving up my AC for nobody.

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

yea, what he said ... also not carrying any guilt complex around with me  ...

... but I ain't giving up my AC for nobody.

My solar panels more than generate the power for my Air-con.

Leaving my leccy bill around 400bht/month winter and 800bht/month summer.

[zzaa09]

8 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Who is pulling Greta's strings . 

Falsely bearing entities that are seemingly highly influential and manipulative. 

The deeper contradictions and hypocrisy is what they sell. 

Part and parcel of the easily taken Kool-Aid packages available. 

[Jingthing]

9 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Who is pulling Greta's strings . 

Nobody.

[BangkokReady]

12 hours ago, HAPPYNUFF said:

Give her time, she will turn into yet another  politician,  willing to say anything  to get elected.

Who says she isn't doing that already?  Just it's being popular at the moment, rather than being elected.

[swissie]

Something that hasn't hit any discussion panels yet:

-Even if we could contain earth warming to 1.5° celsius, (the best of circumstances), the ice of Greenland and Antarctica will keep right on melting. (It will remain "too warm" to reverse the melting process). Depending on calculations, that would rise the sea-level by 0,5 to 2 meters by the end of the century.

- A fifth of the world population lives in coastal aereas (Mega Cities) or the rivers behind. Even a rise of only 0.5 meters would inundate those Mega Cities. The cost to protect those aereas by building "dams" would be prohibitive. Where to re-settle those 1.5 billion people? The Australian outback?

- Recommendation: If you have children (potential heirs), look at the map and don't buy any real-estate in such aereas.  (Bangkok, for example).

- Many consequences of the "earth-warming" can not be precisely assessed just yet, but the rise of the sea-level is one factor that WILL inevitably happen. Unless Donald Trump orders the Greenland/Antarctic ice to stop melting, of course.????

As said, the only sure consequence of earth warming has not matured to the first  "urgent issue" within the overall earth warming scenario. Not among polititians, economists, nor Greta Thunberg and the rice farmers in Bangladesh.

PS: On occasion, I may want to write about the thawing of the perma-frost aereas in the northern hemisphere. Potentionally releasing 16 million tons of Methane-Gas into the athmosphere over time. Note: Methane-Gas is about 24 times worse than our "run of the mill" CO2.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/7/2021 at 1:46 AM, Jingthing said:

But Greta Thunberg notwithstanding are the current young people any better?

No.

As for her, IMO she's going to wake up one day and realised she's been used by adults, and she's going to be even more angry than she already is, if that's possible.

For such a young person, IMO she has as much anger in her as most accumulate after a long life- sad,.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, swissie said:

Even if we could contain earth warming to 1.5° celsius, (the best of circumstances), the ice of Greenland and Antarctica will keep right on melting. (It will remain "too warm" to reverse the melting process). Depending on calculations, that would rise the sea-level by 0,5 to 2 meters by the end of the century.

Given the temperature in Antarctica is well below 0 C, how is a rise of 1.5 C going to melt it all. The highest temperature at McMurdo when I was there was -4 C, so if the temperature rose 1.5 C that would still leave it below zero and that was just one day. Most days were well below that.

 

7 hours ago, swissie said:

PS: On occasion, I may want to write about the thawing of the perma-frost aereas in the northern hemisphere. Potentionally releasing 16 million tons of Methane-Gas into the athmosphere over time. Note: Methane-Gas is about 24 times worse than our "run of the mill" CO2.

I have a magazine ( if I remember correctly from Time corp. ) about climate change from 20 years ago. It described methane storms, and basically if that happens the fat lady is singing for the human race. However that required a rise 6 C if I remember correctly. Certainly way more than 2 C.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, swissie said:

Many consequences of the "earth-warming" can not be precisely assessed just yet, but the rise of the sea-level is one factor that WILL inevitably happen. Unless Donald Trump orders the Greenland/Antarctic ice to stop melting, of course.

IMO you trivialise your contention re climate change by pointless anti Trump silliness.

He isn't in power now, but apparently still looms large in your consciousness.

[Bert got kinky]

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No.

As for her, IMO she's going to wake up one day and realised she's been used by adults, and she's going to be even more angry than she already is, if that's possible.

For such a young person, IMO she has as much anger in her as most accumulate after a long life- sad,.

 

Be careful, you'll upset the woke crowd. ????

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Bert got kinky said:

 

Be careful, you'll upset the woke crowd. ????

 

If that was possible I'd happily do it. I'd love to debate a real woke person, but I don't know any. In pretty short supply where I live, but I don't live in a city.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

You are acknowledging that she is not acting like a politician as yet. That indicates you acknowledge she may be honest and sincere now even if you may not agree with her solutions. Can you say why it is bad or self serving for her to have an opinion. Is her argument wrong or is it just that it is too extreme. 

 

IMO she doesn't have opinions of her own. She is IMO a mouthpiece for adults with an agenda. There was a tv interview back before corona stole all the attention when she was asked a question that she was unable to answer, because it required her to come up with her own response.

Just google "Thunberg unable to answer question on tv interview" to get loads of U Tube responses.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Who is pulling Greta's strings . 

That's the real question.

[1FinickyOne]

On 11/6/2021 at 10:22 PM, Jingthing said:

Or as Trink put it 

Human nature. Manure.

Trink - omg... great job on AIDS research but his Nite Owl went off track - he used to report prices from the bar girls... not realizing that a bar girl might charge an 80 yr old more than a 50 yr old... and he would report the prices, the girls would see the prices and think they were getting underpaid if they got less. Still a ground breaking fellow and wrote enjoyable columns for years... coining some phrases along the way.. a NY'er done good. 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, bojo said:

If Greta can galvanise people, especially the young generation to persuade politicians and leaders worldwide to act on climate change, then how she looks and whatever her background is or whatever one thinks of her personally becomes academic....Personally, I can only see good in her..................

Pity she doesn't have any actual solutions then. Can you quote any actual solution she has put forward?

Shouting at grown ups isn't a good way to garner support, either.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, 1FinickyOne said:

Trink - omg... great job on AIDS research but his Nite Owl went off track - he used to report prices from the bar girls... not realizing that a bar girl might charge an 80 yr old more than a 50 yr old... and he would report the prices, the girls would see the prices and think they were getting underpaid if they got less. Still a ground breaking fellow and wrote enjoyable columns for years... coining some phrases along the way.. a NY'er done good. 

Indeed. They were required reading for me back then, and I still have a collection of his newspaper articles.

[zzaa09]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO she doesn't have opinions of her own. She is IMO a mouthpiece for adults with an agenda. There was a tv interview back before corona stole all the attention when she was asked a question that she was unable to answer, because it required her to come up with her own response.

Just google "Thunberg unable to answer question on tv interview" to get loads of U Tube responses.

The real crime might be that a good percentage of the driveling populations don't recognize the scam. 

[bojo]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Pity she doesn't have any actual solutions then. Can you quote any actual solution she has put forward?

Shouting at grown ups isn't a good way to garner support, either.

No, absolutely not, I wouldn't have a clue what solutions she may have put forward herself personally as I don't follow the details. But, as mentioned, I can only see her as doing good................................What's not to like about that?......................................... The masses, who I'm sure for the most part believe climate change is an issue need figureheads and icons. |Powers that be, whether governments or corporations fear influential people that may want to hold them to account and she is one of those people...................Currently her voice is galvanising those that believe climate change is an issue, I like that and by the way, although young looking for her age, she is nearly 19 years old and therefore a grown up........................................................

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, bojo said:

No, absolutely not, I wouldn't have a clue what solutions she may have put forward herself personally as I don't follow the details. But, as mentioned, I can only see her as doing good................................What's not to like about that?......................................... The masses, who I'm sure for the most part believe climate change is an issue need figureheads and icons. |Powers that be, whether governments or corporations fear influential people that may want to hold them to account and she is one of those people...................Currently her voice is galvanising those that believe climate change is an issue, I like that and by the way, although young looking for her age, she is nearly 19 years old and therefore a grown up........................................................

Complaining without solutions is just complaining.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

On the same show Amy Klobuchar gave a half decent summary of the specifics of what the democrats are trying to achieve including the key issue of negotiating cheaper medicines. On another part of the show they talked about the black white argument and in my opinion no democrat is trying to say you are bad for being born white. The argument is often around the degree to which there is a inherent racism today and I agree some exaggerate. Often it is students who have always gone to extremes, and have a high purity test,  but in 2021 they have a platform thanks to social media and the rest of the media amplify it further.

I try and look at the policies and not the fluff around the edges.  So maybe don't give up totally on the Democrats especially based on the intellectual wasteland of many on the other side. 

 

I'd like to debate that, but that'd be politics, and not allowed on AN.

[bojo]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Complaining without solutions is just complaining.

That would be correct and many have the same opinion as you............................

[Damrongsak]

On 11/6/2021 at 8:15 PM, ChaiyaTH said:

Prior covid yeah, by now we have 500 million new people at poverty line. And we are at the brink of economic collapse and WW3. 

 

New generation cant even afford a house and is to their neck in debts before careers start. I wont even get a pension, as you guys will use up all money. Same for healthcare. 

 

But im positive for my own situation too ????

I appreciate the fact that the new generation can't afford a decent house, mostly. As for debt, it is what one makes it. Pension, what is that?  Something given?  Or like the USA Social Security that I paid into for years which isn't enough to do squat, though it helps?

 

I've saved and scrimped for years so that my family can grow old with enough funds to be comfortable. My 92 year old Mom was burning about $70,000 USD a year in a rest home for a few years. No problem, she saved for that. 

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

I appreciate the fact that the new generation can't afford a decent house, mostly

Boomer here,

I can't afford a decent (or any other quality) house in the UK either.

Which is why I'm here in Thailand.

Edited November 8, 2021 by BritManToo