U.S. Topic -- Predictions for the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, lannarebirth said:

The BLM led protest ended hours before the Rittenhouse shooting event.

From the video footage , the protesters were still on the streets protesting  

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

From the video footage , the protesters were still on the streets protesting  

Indeed, but the planned protest was over. This was not an organized protest any longer as the millions of dollars in property damage can attest.

[Mac Mickmanus]

 

    Kyle on the floor , just prior to him shooting at his attackers

[lannarebirth]

Everyone remembers the media's loud, inflammatory accusations. No one seems to remember their weeks or months later quiet retractions. And that's just the way they like it.

[Jeffr2]

49 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

2 violent, left wing extremists. One a convicted paedo, one a convicted domestic abuse repeat offender. Both attacking him, along with others.

Why were they attacking him?

[Jeffr2]

42 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You seem to have a deep insight into his intentions. He could easily have been going to shoot police. If you assume that it was the job of the police to maintain law and order then that disqualifies Rittenhouse motive for even going there. There is no doubt that at the very least he was a vigilante.

 

 

Hmmm....wonder what would have happened if it was a black man running towards the police with an AR15 after shooting 3 people?  Right....

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

    Kyle on the floor , just prior to him shooting at his attackers

No gun, no death.  Simple.  He should have stayed home.  He caused this.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

No gun, no death.  Simple.  He should have stayed home.  He caused this.

As should the hooligans causing trouble.

[lannarebirth]

No dog in this fight. I don't like cops, punk Rambo wannabes, or SJWs using manufactured neoracism as a pretext for rioting. I am very concerned about the fall of America's democracy however and the media dissembling that is facilitating it. I expect the jury will come to the appropriate conclusions.

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

No gun, no death.  Simple.  He should have stayed home.  He caused this.

Thai logic ;if he wasn't there , it wouldn't have happened, so its his fault for being there 

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

As should the hooligans causing trouble.

Rittenhouse brought an AR15 and repeatedly pointed it at demonstrators. Did any of the demonstrators have a semi automatic rifle with them?

 

Rittenhouse knew the first person he shot was unarmed. He also shot him in the back after he was wounded.

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

As should the hooligans causing trouble.

At least we agree on something.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Rittenhouse brought an AR15 and repeatedly pointed it at demonstrators. Did any of the demonstrators have a semi automatic rifle with them?

You should get your info from better sources.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Why were they attacking him?

Because he was stood outside a property peacefully  trying to convince the rioters not to burn the property down 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Thai logic ;if he wasn't there , it wouldn't have happened, so its his fault for being there 

Simple logic.  And the truth.  He shouldn't have brought an AR15 to a protest.  Ridiculous.  He claimed to be a medic when in reality, he's just a lifeguard!  Dodgy as heck.

[Jeffr2]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

You should get your info from better sources.

This is true.  Do some research.  He was walking around with an AR15 in the middle of a protest.  A threat for sure.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

You should get your info from better sources.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/15/kyle-rittenhouse-provoked-everything-prosecution-says

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because he was stood outside a property peacefully  trying to convince the rioters not to burn the property down 

Nothing peaceful about repeatedly pointing an AR15 at protesters after being told by the police to leave.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/31/witnesses-kenosha-shooting-see-kyle-rittenhouse-shoot-protest-jacob-blake/5675987002/

 

As he made his way toward it, Jeremiah saw more armed white men. Two crouched on the roof of a building, sniper style. Two or three others stood guard over the lot. One of them, a babyface with a backward ball cap, raised an assault rifle and pointed it at him.

 

Jeremiah, 24 and Black, was more annoyed than afraid. He'd been out protesting all summer, more than 90 days so far. He knew about these guys and their scare tactics, and he refused to be intimidated.

When the kid started yelling, Jeremiah shouted back: "I'm trying to get out of here. If you're gonna shoot me, just shoot!"

 

A few minutes later, Jeremiah saw the same guy pointing his weapon at someone else.

 

This time, Kyle Rittenhouse fired.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Simple logic.  And the truth.  He shouldn't have brought an AR15 to a protest.  Ridiculous.  He claimed to be a medic when in reality, he's just a lifeguard!  Dodgy as heck.

Yes, but he did take a gun to the protests and the consequences of that are being dealt with . 

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because he was stood outside a property peacefully  trying to convince the rioters not to burn the property down 

They weren't peaceful.  As you can see from my article, this type of scare tactic had been going on for some time by these so called militia types.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest

 

Further confrontations arose when armed militia members, whom Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth described as "like a group of vigilantes", arrived with the expressed intent of protecting businesses in the city.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/vigilante-calls-spread-on-social-media-before-deadly-kenosha-attack/2329546/

 

Militias, Armed Vigilantes Encouraged Online to Head to Kenosha Before Deadly Attack

Multiple threads on Facebook and Reddit urged militias and other armed people to head to the protests, according to researchers at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Lab

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Nothing peaceful about repeatedly pointing an AR15 at protesters after being told by the police to leave.

The standard is whether or not it is lawful. If it isn't I expect the jury will ave something to say about it.

[bbko]

This >>>

 

“You cannot hide behind self-defence if you provoked the incident. If you created the danger, you forfeit the right to self-defence by bringing that gun, aiming it at people, threatening people’s lives. The defendant provoked everything,”

[dundas]

The accused is white. The judge is white. Only one member of the jury is black.

 

Now reverse the colour of the accused: he is black; the judge is still white; only one member of the jury is black. 

 

In each case, it's going to be a black and white decision. One person will get off scot free, or near enough (extenuating circumstances etc etc), and the other person will be incarcerated, or worse. 

 

It's hard not to be cynical. 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

https://www.wpr.org/lawsuit-alleges-police-assisted-rittenhouse-armed-militia-kenosha

Lawsuit alleges police assisted Rittenhouse, armed militia in Kenosha

According to the lawsuit, at approximately 11:30 p.m. — about 15 minutes before Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskreutz — law enforcement officers were talking to Rittenhouse and other armed individuals in the parking lot of a private business.

 

"Despite the fact that the armed individuals were in violation of the curfew order, the officers and deputies communicated their full support and appreciation for Rittenhouse and others," the lawsuit says. "In video footage taken at the scene, officers can even be heard asking armed individuals if they needed water and other supplies. Rittenhouse can be seen telling the officers that they did need water, which officers gave them."

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, bbko said:

This >>>

 

“You cannot hide behind self-defence if you provoked the incident. If you created the danger, you forfeit the right to self-defence by bringing that gun, aiming it at people, threatening people’s lives. The defendant provoked everything,”

The law is a bit more complex that that . 

He was running away at the time , and thus he was trying to diffuse the situation and to escape , therefore hes entitled to defend himself if attacked . 

   Simply being there doesnt give others the right to attack him 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Simply being there doesnt give others the right to attack him 

Pointing a weapon notorious as the favorite weapon of mass shooters at a crowd of demonstrators does not constitute "simply being there".

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

They weren't peaceful.  As you can see from my article, this type of scare tactic had been going on for some time by these so called militia types.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest

 

Further confrontations arose when armed militia members, whom Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth described as "like a group of vigilantes", arrived with the expressed intent of protecting businesses in the city.

What actions did Kyles group do which warrants them being not peaceful ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Pointing a weapon notorious as the favorite weapon of mass shooters at a crowd of demonstrators does not constitute "simply being there".

Pointing a weapon at people who were chasing after him and didn't shoot them then , he only shot at them when he was on the ground and being attacked