8 minutes ago, rainham said:

As i understand it the said UK fatality died with omicron not of it, i could be wrong. Any how it looks like you guys have until mid January before you can catch it which is nice to know,  i wish the UK Government could let us know when we could possibly get it . Another fiasco from the UK government as usual .

Stay safe guy's 

So when Omicron deaths in the UK hit 100+, what will you say then? 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The UK government does not yet know the implications of Omicron, whether it will be dangerous or not. 

 

The people here who are downplaying Omicron don't have to deal with the consequences of being wrong. 

True enough I'm going by the information coming from Africa and it seems pretty  positive so far.

1 hour ago, cyril sneer said:

Have you heard about Delta and Omicron combining to create an even worse variant? 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10309153/Risk-DUAL-infection-Omicron-Delta-create-new-super-mutant-variant.html

 

Pretty sure we'll be wiped out sooner or later

The link is an interesting read , even if clearly ' fearmongering ' as a combined infection of Delta and omicron in the same person at the same time did not happen yet . But , as Omicron is a lot different to the Delta strain , it could be a possibility ... That this could create a more lethal ' supervirus ' is , at this point , pure speculation that hopefully , will never happen .

2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Let's hope so ... but a high transmission rate equals a high possibility of further mutations , what could mean no good ...

 

It's a bit early to celebrate and embrace , isn't it ?

Spot on.

Herd immunity is a strategy that was tried by some countries with disastrous consequences, let's not go down that road again. 

And indeed more infections do mean more chances for mutations. 

The silver lining to this is that killing the host is not good for a virus. An alive more healthy host moves through the community more, allowing the virus to fulfill its main objective ,which is to reproduce. so let's hope that's the direction this is moving at. 

You must wear a mask alone in your car, that will stop it.

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

The silver lining to this is that killing the host is not good for a virus. An alive more healthy host moves through the community more, allowing the virus to fulfill its main objective ,which is to reproduce.

Good post ,

but a virus has neither a metabolism , nor consciousness .

It is more like a sophisticated , ever evolving tool .

Designed for what purpose and by whom ?

Well , my theory is that it is simply a part of the immune system of ... a living planet , that needs to protect itself against a threat ...

There are still many things that humans do not know about yet ...

Everything is connected ...

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Public Health Ministry expects the country to record more Omicron cases in the middle of January.

Such insight is astonishing.

40 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Let's hope so ... but a high transmission rate equals a high possibility of further mutations , what could mean no good ...

 

It's a bit early to celebrate and embrace , isn't it ?

In would ask the same about it being too early to panic and draw dire conclusions. 

9 hours ago, Oblomov said:

 

One thing is for sure, if this omicron fatality had fit their aims and been younger or healthy or slim, then the BBC would be using this info - BBC needs to be impelled to add context to data and lurid headlines so that populations can make rational assessments of the news.  Those of us that have first hand knowledge of wards are aware of what the BBC consistently fails to report.

I can't disagree with you on this, the BBC are one of the worst, but they are all at it. It seems that news reporting now primarily has become news creation whereby substance is replaced by the need to create mass hysteria with facts and reality deemed unnecessary. Its an attempt by news agencies to regain the initiative lost to social media, however they are all beginning to look stupid and if you consider the fuel shortage they created their actions verge on the criminal. They are dinosaurs that are so large that unfortunately the signal has not reached the brain yet, to let them know they are already dead.

49 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Let's hope so ... but a high transmission rate equals a high possibility of further mutations , what could mean no good ...

 

It's a bit early to celebrate and embrace , isn't it ?

Maybe - but Spanish Flu never 'died out' as such - it became less deadly and is now just a part of the common flu viruses that sweep the world every year.  Viruses have been around for billions of years - they 'survive' by becoming more infectious but less deadly - they mutate all the time - killing off the hosts kills off themselves.  It maybe too early to call as Spanish flu lasted 3+ years before becoming less deadly - but this latest mutation could be the start of less deadly mutations in the future. I sure hope so.

39 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So when Omicron deaths in the UK hit 100+, what will you say then? 

 

 

Not a lot, unless they're predominantly young and otherwise healthy.

 

People die all the time. Unless I know them personally I don't dwell on it. Roughly 10,000 people die each week in the UK from all manner of causes.

 

 

24 minutes ago, rainham said:

 

I am in the same boat - waiting for Pfizer booster

The WHO warned on Tuesday that Omicron is spreading at an unprecedented rate, is currently in 77 countries but probably in all.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/omicron-spreading-at-unprecedented-rate-likely-present-in-most-countries-says-who-4555115.html

 

Only two weeks to flatten the curve. Nothing to worry about.

1 hour ago, rainham said:

As i understand it the said UK fatality died with omicron not of it, i could be wrong. Any how it looks like you guys have until mid January before you can catch it which is nice to know,  i wish the UK Government could let us know when we could possibly get it . Another fiasco from the UK government as usual .

Stay safe guy's 

The usual metric is died within 28 days of a positive test. A case of when not if in the UK.

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Agreed, the death could just well have been a 108 year old pensioner, with dementia, final stage cancer, over four hundred KG and died on an electric scooter whilst chain smoking  !

 

 

 

 

Predisposing factors only make things more or less likely. If the cause of death is said to be covid, then that IS the cause of death, just maybe happened a bit sooner.

1 hour ago, rainham said:

True enough I'm going by the information coming from Africa and it seems pretty  positive so far.

650 deaths, but not sure if from Omicron.

 

The data is ratty.

11 hours ago, poohy said:

certainly before jan 16 bar opening

I predict they will be shutting Pattaya down again on January 16, for another 2-3 month long lockdown...

Just now, redwood1 said:

I predict they will be shutting Pattaya down again on January 16, for another 2-3 month long lockdown...

Good chance after the New Year travels.

27 minutes ago, AussieBob9999 said:

Maybe - but Spanish Flu never 'died out' as such - it became less deadly and is now just a part of the common flu viruses that sweep the world every year.  Viruses have been around for billions of years - they 'survive' by becoming more infectious but less deadly - they mutate all the time - killing off the hosts kills off themselves.  It maybe too early to call as Spanish flu lasted 3+ years before becoming less deadly - but this latest mutation could be the start of less deadly mutations in the future. I sure hope so.

 

 

27 minutes ago, AussieBob9999 said:

Maybe - but Spanish Flu never 'died out' as such - it became less deadly and is now just a part of the common flu viruses that sweep the world every year.  Viruses have been around for billions of years - they 'survive' by becoming more infectious but less deadly - they mutate all the time - killing off the hosts kills off themselves.  It maybe too early to call as Spanish flu lasted 3+ years before becoming less deadly - but this latest mutation could be the start of less deadly mutations in the future. I sure hope so.

None of your assertions are supported by science.

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16 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The usual metric is died within 28 days of a positive test. A case of when not if in the UK.

The usual metric is determination of cause of death by a medical examiner, who will ignore the 28 day nothingburger.

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The usual metric is determination of cause of death by a medical examiner, who will ignore the 28 day nothingburger.

In the UK reported data there are 2 categories

1) Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date reported

2) Daily deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate by date of death

 

The latter is usually higher, the totals currently showing 

146,627 and 170,911 respectively.

Source

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I hope so. So far, it is revealing itself as less dangerous, and far less symptomatic than Delta. One death worldwide? Far less than a common flu.

 

This weak and feeble variant may be the near end of Covid. It should be celebrated and embraced, rather than feared. 

Man, you are the wishful poster of the year.

 

Omicron may well be milder, but its extreme transmissibility and ability to break through existing immunity  will be way too much for the puny Thai hospital system.  The Government will panic once more.

9 hours ago, talahtnut said:

Study all Gate's history, lectures, speeches and interviews,

then you will know the agenda.

Now tell me his Vaccines, GM crops, Co2 reduction,

are not Trojan Horses to accomplish that agenda.

 

Is your tinfoil hat a little too tight this morning? ????????

39 minutes ago, AussieBob9999 said:

Maybe - but Spanish Flu never 'died out' as such - it became less deadly and is now just a part of the common flu viruses that sweep the world every year.  Viruses have been around for billions of years - they 'survive' by becoming more infectious but less deadly - they mutate all the time - killing off the hosts kills off themselves.  It maybe too early to call as Spanish flu lasted 3+ years before becoming less deadly - but this latest mutation could be the start of less deadly mutations in the future. I sure hope so.

Thats an the urban legend. Taken from the WHO 8th Dec Covid Press Briefing Transcript:

 

 

“I think, we need to caution everyone on. There is an assumption out there that as a disease becomes more transmissible it will become milder. I would hope that most viruses would become less transmissible and milder, that would be the ideal outcome.

But I think there's a little bit of an urban legend around that process. That doesn't necessarily happen. There is pressure on the virus to adapt and become more transmissible because that's an evolutionary pressure.

 

The outcome of whether a virus is more or less severe is much more random. It can happen, it can not happen and in that sense that's why we don't know and I think we have to be very, very careful in making any absolute determinations.”

1 hour ago, Chosenfew said:

You must wear a mask alone in your car, that will stop it.

Perhaps, if the car was previously occupied. But these comments are silly and not the point. I do not wear a mask when driving alone..... not been an issue. I keep one handy in case of a police stop of course. 

7 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

In the UK reported data there are 2 categories

1) Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date reported

2) Daily deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate by date of death

 

The latter is usually higher, the totals currently showing 

146,627 and 170,911 respectively.

Source

Yes more on that here and one of the reasons official covid deaths just because they died in a car crash and positive are put on the correct list. 
 

From https://www.ons.gov.uk/

 

Our data is derived from the death certificate, using information received at the point of death registration. This is different to the data used by PHE which records all deaths with a positive test within 28 days.

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 

 

None of your assertions are supported by science.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150207/

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats an the urban legend. Taken from the WHO 8th Dec Covid Press Briefing Transcript:

 

“I think, we need to caution everyone on. There is an assumption out there that as a disease becomes more transmissible it will become milder. I would hope that most viruses would become less transmissible and milder, that would be the ideal outcome.

But I think there's a little bit of an urban legend around that process. That doesn't necessarily happen. There is pressure on the virus to adapt and become more transmissible because that's an evolutionary pressure.

 

The outcome of whether a virus is more or less severe is much more random. It can happen, it can not happen and in that sense that's why we don't know and I think we have to be very, very careful in making any absolute determinations.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150207/

 

PS - words from my post.  "maybe"  "I hope so"  etc etc etc.  If you are looking for absolute correctness in this pandemic for you to make an opinion on anything (or demand others do the same), I suggest you will never find it.  Everything has changed, and it will continue to change.  WHO  CDC  etc.  have all been wrong as many times as they have been right. 

 

1 minute ago, AussieBob9999 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150207/

 

PS - words from my post.  "maybe"  "I hope so"  etc etc etc.  If you are looking for absolute correctness in this pandemic for you to make an opinion on anything (or demand others do the same), I suggest you will never find it.  Everything has changed, and it will continue to change.  WHO  CDC  etc.  have all been wrong as many times as they have been right. 

 

Not looking for anything from you. Just provided a quote from WHO on the latest information