Anti parasite medication?

[ChomDo]

14 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Assuming you are in Thailand, Dr. Tayard at the Spine Center at Bangkok International Hospital would most definitely check for SI joint issues, he did for me. And if your pain is due to sacroilitis then  he can do intra-joint injection which, along with physio,  is the usual treatment. Be sure to bring most recent MRI (on CD, nto just the report) with you.

 

https://www.bangkokhospital.com/en/doctor/dr-tayard-buranakarl

 

Do not  confuse chiropracty with physiotherapy, they are not the same thing. I don't mean this as a criticism of chiro, but they are different disciplines with different treatments and even the most experienced chiropracter is not a qualified physiotherapist.

Thanks for the link. I'll give a visit some consideration. I actually have the recipe for some success with this SI joint issue but now I'm not able to fix it on my own since the position of my hip needs to be manipulated first. At least the only treatment that has worked so far was when the AUS chiropractor did 2 weeks of manipulation and deep tissue massage followed be intense glute and hip muscle exercises at home after the treatment. What seemed to be especially effective for me were all the glute strengthening moves I did with resistance bands. Now they have no effect on me, so it just seems that some treatment is needed first before all of the exercises can become effective again.

 

And the place I went to in Dec (Holistic Health Systems in On Nut) basically told me there's not much they can do at this point and suggested I go trough some "more unconventional methods", since my whole back and neck area seems to be in worrying state or something (everything from damaged fascia to deep scar tissue all over the back etc.). This was after having treatment for a few weeks (2-3 times a week). At least this place is very honest, since they tell me not to come and waste money on something that's not working. I also trust the American chiropractors expertise and experience in treating SI joint issues, but he said traditional treatments are not having any effect on my body and suggested trying the liver flush at home and changing my diet + perhaps a 16/8 IF which I'd be happy to try anyway. If I remember correctly he did suggest a new MRI also. The previous one is from about 5-7 years ago, but the feeling in my hip is the same as that time so I didn't feel the need to check again.

 

After solving this issue a few years ago (altho that lasted only 6 months) I felt optimistic that I can do it again, but some treatment is needed before the exercises become effective.     

 

Right now I need to decide if I should take the second 3 days set of Zentel (a week has passed soon of the first set). Now that everyone here and in another forum are saying the does is too high, I have considered not taking it. That would leave me feeling that the process was half done tho. 

 

Could you tell me if it sounds like a better idea to take half the dose meaning 1x400mg a day for 3 days?

 

 

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, ChomDo said:

Thanks for the link. I'll give a visit some consideration. I actually have the recipe for some success with this SI joint issue but now I'm not able to fix it on my own since the position of my hip needs to be manipulated first. At least the only treatment that has worked so far was when the AUS chiropractor did 2 weeks of manipulation and deep tissue massage followed be intense glute and hip muscle exercises at home after the treatment. What seemed to be especially effective for me were all the glute strengthening moves I did with resistance bands. Now they have no effect on me, so it just seems that some treatment is needed first before all of the exercises can become effective again.

 

And the place I went to in Dec (Holistic Health Systems in On Nut) basically told me there's not much they can do at this point and suggested I go trough some "more unconventional methods", since my whole back and neck area seems to be in worrying state or something (everything from damaged fascia to deep scar tissue all over the back etc.). This was after having treatment for a few weeks (2-3 times a week). At least this place is very honest, since they tell me not to come and waste money on something that's not working. I also trust the American chiropractors expertise and experience in treating SI joint issues, but he said traditional treatments are not having any effect on my body and suggested trying the liver flush at home and changing my diet + perhaps a 16/8 IF which I'd be happy to try anyway. If I remember correctly he did suggest a new MRI also. The previous one is from about 5-7 years ago, but the feeling in my hip is the same as that time so I didn't feel the need to check again.

 

After solving this issue a few years ago (altho that lasted only 6 months) I felt optimistic that I can do it again, but some treatment is needed before the exercises become effective.     

 

Right now I need to decide if I should take the second 3 days set of Zentel (a week has passed soon of the first set). Now that everyone here and in another forum are saying the does is too high, I have considered not taking it. That would leave me feeling that the process was half done tho. 

 

Could you tell me if it sounds like a better idea to take half the dose meaning 1x400mg a day for 3 days?

 

 

It does not sound like a good idea to me, no. But suit yourself.  BTW 1×400 a day is the normal full dose for most parasites,  not a half dose. If you previously took it twice a day you were already double dosing -- for a problem you likely do not have. And that even if you did have, would not account for your symptoms. 

 

You need to consider the possibility (in fact,  the likelihood) that something different is going on now than was before as the spine does change (usually for the worse) with time. That it feels the same just means that the same nerves are being irritated or compressed, it does not mean that the underlying  cause is the same.  After 5+ years you definitely need a new MRI. You can save on costs by having it done at www.mrithailand.com  Then bring it -- on CD -- to a good spinal specialist (pay no particular attention to the report you get from the imaging center, spine specialist will do their own reading).  By all means tell the doctor about your history of pain and what worked in the past but doesn't seem to work now. But be open to the possibility that a different cause is now at play.

[ChomDo]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:35 AM, Sheryl said:

It does not sound like a good idea to me, no. But suit yourself.  BTW 1×400 a day is the normal full dose for most parasites,  not a half dose. If you previously took it twice a day you were already double dosing -- for a problem you likely do not have. And that even if you did have, would not account for your symptoms. 

 

You need to consider the possibility (in fact,  the likelihood) that something different is going on now than was before as the spine does change (usually for the worse) with time. That it feels the same just means that the same nerves are being irritated or compressed, it does not mean that the underlying  cause is the same.  After 5+ years you definitely need a new MRI. You can save on costs by having it done at www.mrithailand.com  Then bring it -- on CD -- to a good spinal specialist (pay no particular attention to the report you get from the imaging center, spine specialist will do their own reading).  By all means tell the doctor about your history of pain and what worked in the past but doesn't seem to work now. But be open to the possibility that a different cause is now at play.

Hi Sheryl,

 

Just wanted to let you know that I did the liver flush at home as advised by my chiropractor. Not sure if I mentioned the process in detail before but it's a 2 day process as described below:

 

Day 1:

 

- no eating after 2pm

- 6pm one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml 

- 8pm one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml

- 10pm 120ml of extra virgin olive oil mixed in 120ml of orange juice

 

Day 2: 

 

- 8am one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml 

- 10am one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml

- Noon glass of orange juice

- 2pm light meal and back to normal 

 

So the experience was pretty surreal since that "neon green" stuff kept coming out and floating in the toilet. In the handout it's called "Biliary sludge" that's made out of cholesterol which is clogging the gallbladder and bile ducts in the liver. The green stuff is kind of like little rounded balls of wax. Even tho it looked so weird to see that, it felt good to get that waste out of the system.

 

I just wanted to ask you because you seemed to be strongly against the liver flush. I'm not expecting this to necessarily help for myofascial pain but isn't it good in any case to clean your system from this waste? It can't be a goo thing that that stuff is in you right? I'm guessing pretty much everyone has this stuff in the liver and if it's so easy to flush it out, why is it not done more commonly?  

[blackcab]

@Sheryl is away for a few days. I have tagged her in this post so that she can reply to you on her return.

[Sheryl]

On 2/7/2022 at 9:31 AM, ChomDo said:

Hi Sheryl,

 

Just wanted to let you know that I did the liver flush at home as advised by my chiropractor. Not sure if I mentioned the process in detail before but it's a 2 day process as described below:

 

Day 1:

 

- no eating after 2pm

- 6pm one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml 

- 8pm one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml

- 10pm 120ml of extra virgin olive oil mixed in 120ml of orange juice

 

Day 2: 

 

- 8am one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml 

- 10am one tablespoon of Epsom salt with 200ml

- Noon glass of orange juice

- 2pm light meal and back to normal 

 

So the experience was pretty surreal since that "neon green" stuff kept coming out and floating in the toilet. In the handout it's called "Biliary sludge" that's made out of cholesterol which is clogging the gallbladder and bile ducts in the liver. The green stuff is kind of like little rounded balls of wax. Even tho it looked so weird to see that, it felt good to get that waste out of the system.

 

I just wanted to ask you because you seemed to be strongly against the liver flush. I'm not expecting this to necessarily help for myofascial pain but isn't it good in any case to clean your system from this waste? It can't be a goo thing that that stuff is in you right? I'm guessing pretty much everyone has this stuff in the liver and if it's so easy to flush it out, why is it not done more commonly?  

 

The green "goo" coming out is not "biliary sludge".  It is just a bile-stained soap produced by the saponificantion of the oil you consumed. If you had not consumed the oil and epsom salts, it would not have been formed.

 

No health benefit to this.

[Pravda]

Amazing thread. From a guy eating the worst Isaan food known to mankind, to a another dozen of self appointed medical experts taking a wide range of antibiotics bought from Lazada.

 

Beggars belief. 

 

 

 

 

[internationalism]

all those medicines are from pharmacy, including ivermectin (that one is the most expensive, so shopping around has sense).

Always talk to a doctor, pharmacist, read all leaflets and literature. Same as with taking any other medicine.

Those medicines are safe for prophylaxis every few months. Just 1 pill of each is good enough.

Food hygiene in thailand is poor, tropical countries have far greater risk of infection than in cold countries. Many expats and tourists don't realise the difference.

Living in a countryside environment, along with domestic and wild animals, close to nature, eating row, uncooked fish, meat are risk factors. But how many % of public toilets in the cities have soap? How many % of city houses and estates treat their sewage properly before dumping them into open waters?

some hygiene improved during covid, but not in toilets and general sanitation. In comparison in dubay airport many toilet cubicles have alcohol gel dispensers

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by internationalism

[ChomDo]

On 2/13/2022 at 9:54 AM, Sheryl said:

 

The green "goo" coming out is not "biliary sludge".  It is just a bile-stained soap produced by the saponificantion of the oil you consumed. If you had not consumed the oil and epsom salts, it would not have been formed.

 

No health benefit to this.

Ok thanks for your take on this. Why would an experienced US chiropractor lie to his patients about this? Also, I do find the same information he told me all over the internet so I'm not sure who's correct on this one. Anyway, I don't see any cure to my SI joint problem since nothing seems to help anymore. Perhaps it is time to see an orthopaedic specialist again and maybe take new MRI's.