MOPH intends to manage COVID-19's Transition into Endemic this year

[Danderman123]

49 minutes ago, Thaiophil said:

Under an endemic, herd immunity is far more likely as a higher and higher percentage get infected and develop immunity.

 

As the unvaccinated now account for 90% of serious illness, herd immunity will improve by natural selection

Translation: as diehard anti-vaxxers die off, the rest of society will be better protected from Covid.

[Thaiophil]

45 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Translation: as diehard anti-vaxxers die off, the rest of society will be better protected from Covid.

I was trying to put it more delicately????

[zoltannyc]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Translation: as diehard anti-vaxxers die off, the rest of society will be better protected from Covid.

Translation: Darwinism 

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, zoltannyc said:

Translation: Darwinism 

Enforced Darwinism is bad, but Darwinism by choice might be a good thing. 

[Siamwhiteelephant]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Translation: as diehard anti-vaxxers die off, the rest of society will be better protected from Covid.

So, better still and long-term, the emergence of new anti-vaxxers among children transitioning to adulthood should be stymied by quality education about the verified importance of this vaccination and altruistic community health.

[SymS]

On 1/11/2022 at 3:52 PM, Cherrytreeview said:

How wrong many of us where when we thought that tourism's 20% of GDP would be badly missed

I think that 20% GDP is BS, even though it's a number from "reputable sources". The drop is GDP would be much greater if that was the case.

In 2019 the total GDP was 544 billions, in 2020 is was 502 Billions, and in 2021 is should be a little higher. Far from the 100 billions drop the complete stop of tourism would have warranted, even though we have to take government spending in account.
https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp

[Cherrytreeview]

6 minutes ago, SymS said:

I think that 20% GDP is BS, even though it's a number from "reputable sources". The drop is GDP would be much greater if that was the case.

In 2019 the total GDP was 544 billions, in 2020 is was 502 Billions, and in 2021 is should be a little higher. Far from the 100 billions drop the complete stop of tourism would have warranted, even though we have to take government spending in account.
https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp

And i think any Thai government figures are total BS.

Just like TATs or the current laughable omicron figures that defy a near vertical daily doubling in every other country in the world but in the Disney world of Thailand include a brief spike then a flattening of the curve.

Thailand's Hi So's feed you whatever they want you to hear or believe.

Up to you.

[WinterGael]

On 1/12/2022 at 4:12 PM, Thaiophil said:

Under an endemic, herd immunity is far more likely as a higher and higher percentage get infected and develop immunity.

 

As the unvaccinated now account for 90% of serious illness, herd immunity will improve by natural selection

Because of the number of breakthrough infections, both in vaccinated and those already having had COVID, herd immunity has been dropped as a possibility by many health jurisdictions.  Endemic means that this is now established within the population and like the flu, will likely be with us for decades to come.  People seeking herd immunity seem to forget that we have not developed herd immunity to influenza, common cold viruses like rhinoceros and other coronaviruses and community acquired pneumonias.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Johns Hopkins newsletter update from Jan. 13 and its excerpt regarding COVID in the U.S.  Omicron may be milder than Delta on an overall basis, but it's nonetheless putting a record high numbers of people in hospitals sick with COVID (as well as piling up record numbers of cases). COVID deaths also have been increasing.

 

And in the U.S., they only put patients in the hospital if they're actually sick, not as a quarantine measure like in Thailand:

 

"COVID-19 hospitalizations in the US set a record high this week, passing the previous record of 16,497 new hospitalizations per day (January 8, 2021). The 7-day average as of January 10 is 20,269. The CDC is also reporting a surge in the number of current hospitalizations, up from an average of 91,030 hospitalized COVID-19 patients on January 3 to 124,163 on January 10, an increase of 36.4% over that period. The current average is slightly above the previous record high—124,031 on January 11, 2021. Daily mortality is increasing, and the surge in hospitalizations is placing severe strain on health systems nationwide, which could contribute to increased mortality for COVID-19 patients as well as those seeking care for other conditions."

 

"The US CDC is currently reporting 62.5 million cumulative cases of COVID-19 and 840,286 deaths. The US is averaging 761,535 new cases and 1,656 deaths per day.* Notably, the US reported 1.35 million new COVID-19 cases on January 10. This exceeds the previous single-day record, set on January 3, by 397,521 cases."

 

Source link

 

"OMICRON SEVERITY Real-world evidence is supporting the theory that the highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant of concern (VOC) causes less severe disease than the Delta VOC, but officials are warning that Omicron cannot be described as “mild” and unvaccinated individuals remain at risk for severe outcomes."

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While real-world anecdotes suggest people infected with Omicron are less likely to need intensive care including breathing support, COVID-19 hospitalizations set a new record this week in the US. Hospitals nationwide already are overwhelmed with an enormous number of people with COVID-19—as well as with other health conditions—all while facing staffing shortages exacerbated by workers themselves becoming ill."

 

 

[Danderman123]

On 1/13/2022 at 4:30 AM, SymS said:

I think that 20% GDP is BS, even though it's a number from "reputable sources". The drop is GDP would be much greater if that was the case.

In 2019 the total GDP was 544 billions, in 2020 is was 502 Billions, and in 2021 is should be a little higher. Far from the 100 billions drop the complete stop of tourism would have warranted, even though we have to take government spending in account.
https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp

Except that there still was some tourism in 2020 and 2021.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Update from the US CDC on Friday -- U.S. COVID cases and hospitalizations are both at pandemic record high levels right now, and COVID deaths are trending upward. (The vertical blue lines are the daily totals, while the red/gray lines show the 7-day moving averages). The vast majority of the U.S. cases right now (98%) are Omicron, according to the CDC.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

 

DAILY COVID CASES

 

 

DAILY COVID HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS

 

DAILY COVID DEATHS

 

 

[Cherrytreeview]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Update from the US CDC on Friday -- U.S. COVID cases and hospitalizations are both at pandemic record high levels right now, and COVID deaths are trending upward. (The vertical blue lines are the daily totals, while the red/gray lines show the 7-day moving averages).

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

 

DAILY COVID CASES

 

 

DAILY COVID HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS

 

DAILY COVID DEATHS

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/12/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/

 

Lose the fear, it's getting really tedious.

Fauci saying the vaccinated are at "very, very, very low risk of getting seriously ill with omicron."

Looks like New York and major metropolises are peaking all ready.

As Fauci says "everybody is going to get omicron at some point".

It's time for the rest of us not to be held hostage by people who don't want to get fully vaccinated.

They should be ostracised from society.

Slowly marginalised and punished for their stupidity.

[connda]

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As Thailand battles its 5th wave of Covid outbreaks, health authorities have announced they intend to manage the transition of COVID-19 into an endemic by delaying its spread and switching to the use of ATKs as the frontline screening method.

Flatten the curve?  We heard that two years ago.  Look where we are at now. Testing fattens the revenue streams of Big Pharma - it doesn't flatten the curve.

Really - why not "Flu Tests" or "Cold Tests".  Why not make every male foreigner take an HIV test every week?  We've transgressed"stupid" and have moved into the realm of totally irrational.  Although highly profitable.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

24 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Lose the fear, it's getting really tedious.

Fauci saying the vaccinated are at "very, very, very low risk of getting seriously ill with omicron."

The CDC report and data I cited above did not/does not distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the case, hospitalization and death totals. And thus neither did my post.

 

The fact that likely much larger numbers of unvaccinated folks are making up the current hospitalization and death numbers doesn't change the fact that cases and hospitalizations overall have reached pandemic record levels and that creates burdens on the entire healthcare system -- not to mention the substantially needless loss of life that continues to occur.

 

That's not fear. That's just fact.

 

And it's worth noting that despite other differences, Thailand and the U.S. are both similar in that each has only fully vaccinated (two shots) about two-thirds of their respective populations, leaving about one-third in each country not fully vaccinated thus far.

 

From the Washington Post article you linked above:

 

"At a Senate hearing Tuesday, Fauci said that unvaccinated people are 20 times likelier to die, 17 times likelier to be hospitalized and 10 times likelier to be infected than the vaccinated."

 

 

 

[Cherrytreeview]

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The CDC report and data I cited above did not/does not distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the case, hospitalization and death totals. And thus neither did my post.

 

The fact that likely much larger numbers of unvaccinated folks are making up the current hospitalization and death numbers doesn't change the fact that cases and hospitalizations overall have reached pandemic record levels and that creates burdens on the entire healthcare system -- not to mention the substantially needless loss of life that continues to occur.

 

That's not fear. That's just fact.

 

And it's worth noting that despite other differences, Thailand and the U.S. are both similar in that each has only fully vaccinated (two shots) about two-thirds of their respective populations, leaving about one-third in each country not fully vaccinated thus far.

 

 

In a month's time the panic will have passed.

Post all the graphs you want.

Did you read what Fauci said?

The unvaccinated are the problem. Full stop.

If you don't believe me, have a read of what Sir John Bell of Oxford University thinks.

"Omicron is not the same disease."

Move on.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/28/omicron-is-not-the-same-disease-as-earlier-covid-waves-says-uk-scientist

 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Cherrytreeview
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[Cherrytreeview]

Cases falling off a cliff in the UK.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59973659

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, connda said:

Really - why not "Flu Tests" or "Cold Tests".  Why not make every male foreigner take an HIV test every week?  We've transgressed"stupid" and have moved into the realm of totally irrational.  Although highly profitable.

And yet who appears to be ranting?

[Percy P]

On 1/11/2022 at 2:59 PM, DjSilver said:

I have covid and I'm happy ???? don't tell the Thai government since I'm flying next week and don't need a pcr-test so will fly positive. However, it will be more than 7 days since I got it.????

Irisponsabl move.

[StayinThailand2much]

On 1/11/2022 at 11:51 AM, webfact said:

The director-general explained that from now on, individuals suspected of being infected will be tested via the ATK method and entered into home isolation (HI) or community isolation (CI) if they test positive and display mild or no symptoms of Covid. 

Will this also apply to resident aliens?

[Danderman123]

On 1/15/2022 at 10:57 AM, Cherrytreeview said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/12/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/

 

Lose the fear, it's getting really tedious.

Fauci saying the vaccinated are at "very, very, very low risk of getting seriously ill with omicron."

Looks like New York and major metropolises are peaking all ready.

As Fauci says "everybody is going to get omicron at some point".

It's time for the rest of us not to be held hostage by people who don't want to get fully vaccinated.

They should be ostracised from society.

Slowly marginalised and punished for their stupidity.

The problem is in Thailand where there remain millions of unvaccinateds who want the vaccine, but have no access. 

[Danderman123]

23 hours ago, connda said:

Flatten the curve?  We heard that two years ago.  Look where we are at now. Testing fattens the revenue streams of Big Pharma - it doesn't flatten the curve.

Really - why not "Flu Tests" or "Cold Tests".  Why not make every male foreigner take an HIV test every week?  We've transgressed"stupid" and have moved into the realm of totally irrational.  Although highly profitable.

Adequate testing serves to warn the authorities about an imminent surge of hospitalizations.