China-made diesel locomotives handed over to Thailand

[webfact]

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Source: Xinhua

Editor: huaxia

   

BANGKOK (Xinhua) -- The first batch of diesel locomotives manufactured by China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) Qishuyan Co. Ltd was officially handed over to the Thai railway authorities on Friday, which would boost efforts of Thailand to improve its railway service.

 

The delivery of the 20 diesel AC motor locomotives was the first batch of the 50 locomotives ordered by the State Railway of Thailand in its largest single locomotive order.

 

Speaking at the handover ceremony at the Siracha railway station in Chon Buri Province, Governor of State Railway of Thailand Nirut Maneephan said that his agency is making great efforts to develop the country's railway infrastructure in a bid to achieve an even greater modernization of Thailand's railway system.

 

Full story: https://english.news.cn/20220204/a41d7714ed374db89cee126d03fd2ba3/c.html

 

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[kwonitoy]

Fix the right of way, the tracks, the base they are sitting on.

Then buy some shiny new trains.

No glamor in maintenance though

[sammieuk1]

Just when everyone else is going electric 20 dinosaur's arrive ????

[sirineou]

12 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Just when everyone else is going electric 20 dinosaur's arrive ????

Actually these are electric. The diesels are only used to drive generators that provide the electric, As far as I know there are no commercially  viable, battery operated trains. 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

Actually these are electric. The diesels are only used to drive generators that provide the electric, As far as I know there are no commercially  viable, battery operated trains. 

But there are plenty of electric driven trains in the world with powered lines or overhead cables.

So the drive motors are electric but there appears to be no way to power them directly? IE The Diesels will run ... like a hybrid car? 

[jaiyen]

That IS the new Thai high speed train !

[bluejets]

5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Actually these are electric. The diesels are only used to drive generators that provide the electric, As far as I know there are no commercially  viable, battery operated trains. 

Check out the Qld rail system from the coal mines .....over thirty years .....get an education.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

But there are plenty of electric driven trains in the world with powered lines or overhead cables.

So the drive motors are electric but there appears to be no way to power them directly? IE The Diesels will run ... like a hybrid car? 

Powerline delivery is  only a different mode of electric delivery. and requires a certain amount of ,infrastructure  with the associated maintenance and transmission loss problems.  that some might argue is more antiquated than  onboard  generation. 

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, bluejets said:

get an education.

I'll try

[jacko45k]

32 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Powerline delivery is  only a different mode of electric delivery. and requires a certain amount of ,infrastructure  with the associated maintenance and transmission loss problems.  that some might argue is more antiquated than  onboard  generation. 

Other than the requirement to carry fuel and generate power to transport that fuel! Don't they use electric trains all over the world now, and have invested in the infrastructure? Is that not regarded as a modern approach? Japan might be an example. Also hard to burn diesel fuel without pollution. 

How will the Hi-Speed railways be powered in Thailand, the tracks are being constructed now along the side of the old tracks, and causing a lot of aggravation  to road users in the Pattaya area. 

Edited February 5, 2022 by jacko45k

[seedy]

Not surprised to see the EV Fanatics jump all over this.

As if overhead power lines get their 'juice' from fairy dust.

To further your education :

fanatic

1. A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

The first batch of diesel locomotives manufactured by China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) Qishuyan Co. Ltd was officially handed over to the Thai railway authorities on Friday, which would boost efforts of Thailand to improve its railway service.

The future is bleak... not bright.

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by hotchilli

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, seedy said:

Not surprised to see the EV Fanatics jump all over this.

As if overhead power lines get their 'juice' from fairy dust.

To further your education :

fanatic

1. A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

Well of course, and Thailand still generates most of it's electricity with natural gas, which is somewhat better than diesel generators spitting fumes out all over the country. Build the power stations where there is a good offshore breeze heading to China. 

[IAMHERE]

They are pretty. Why the blue & yellow paint scheme? I also wonder if all 20 work.

[Gottfrid]

Yep, and there China got rid of the problem with handling scrap metal.

[VocalNeal]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

But there are plenty of electric driven trains in the world with powered lines or overhead cables.

and where is the money for installing those?

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Don't they use electric trains all over the world now, and have invested in the infrastructure? Is that not regarded as a modern approach? Japan might be an example. Also hard to burn diesel fuel without pollution. 

 

Here we go again.

Yes, Japan has the amazing Shinkansen system which is incredible.  But around 30% of the rail network is diesel powered.  In the UK around 60% of the network is diesel.  In the US around 95% is diesel.

Thailand is investing heavily in electric commuter lines but they can't switch the country overnight, nor has anywhere else.

 

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How will the Hi-Speed railways be powered in Thailand, the tracks are being constructed now along the side of the old tracks, and causing a lot of aggravation  to road users in the Pattaya area. 

Electric.  And pity the poor Pattaya road users who are suffering for this modernisation.

[josephbloggs]

 

26 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yep, and there China got rid of the problem with handling scrap metal.

Yawn.

CRRC is the world's largest train manufacturer.  They hardly make things out of scrap metal.

Take your anti Chinese racism elsewhere, it crops up in every thread of this kind and is extremely boring.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Interesting that they have painted these in the old British Rail Livery.

 

They all hate us but still want to emulate us. ????????

[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

Actually these are electric. The diesels are only used to drive generators that provide the electric, As far as I know there are no commercially  viable, battery operated trains. 

Disney Land Hong Kong has an electric train that circles the park.

[Mr Meeseeks]

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, Japan has the amazing Shinkansen system which is incredible. 

When they first built that system there was a lot of opposition; cost, scope of the project, necessity etc. At the time railways weren't thought to be the future of public transportation. Turns out the engineers and planners were right, and everyone else was wrong.

 

Now they are seriously looking at a magnetic levitation (maglev) track for some of the routes. The same opposition is there still, wonder if history will repeat itself?

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Other than the requirement to carry fuel and generate power to transport that fuel! Don't they use electric trains all over the world now, and have invested in the infrastructure? Is that not regarded as a modern approach? Japan might be an example. Also hard to burn diesel fuel without pollution. 

How will the Hi-Speed railways be powered in Thailand, the tracks are being constructed now along the side of the old tracks, and causing a lot of aggravation  to road users in the Pattaya area. 

The point is that both are electric, the only difference is on how the electricity is delivered.  the, merits of  . on board/ off board generation are arguable. depending on their application and geography.. Given Thailand's geography and infustracture, onboard diesel generation make good sense IMO.  

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Interesting that they have painted these in the old British Rail Livery.

 

They all hate us but still want to emulate us. ????????

They forgot the MG logo on the front......????

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Disney Land Hong Kong has an electric train that circles the park.

I also used to have an electric train in my basement when I was a kid. It whent wooo wooo choochoo, and produced puffs of smoke, ????

[mtls2005]

This seems like good news.

 

They started on this procurement ~ 2011, (yes the order was issued in Sep 2020), so it's good to see the first batch delivered, on time.

[steven100]

made in china ......    probably fall apart in 6 months ..     lol

[steven100]

24 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Disney Land Hong Kong has an electric train that circles the park.

yes ,   and the big pineapple of Queenslands sunshine coast had a train that ran through the pineapple plantation

 

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by steven100

[hughrection]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Governor of State Railway of Thailand Nirut Maneephan said that his agency is making great efforts to develop the country's railway infrastructure in a bid to achieve an even greater modernization of Thailand's railway system.

Cha Ching!  ????

[MrJ2U]

51 minutes ago, steven100 said:

yes ,   and the big pineapple of Queenslands sunshine coast had a train that ran through the pineapple plantation

 

 

Way ahead of its time.

[RayOday]

Having lived in China for almost 20 years, I can easily recommend Chinese rolling stock. Many of their train are from designs originating from firms in Japan and the Canadian-German firm Bombardier. I won't mention how people at times behave or what you can see once boarded. The system is generally very timely in arrival and departures. A few high level ministry of transport officials were charged with corruption a number of years ago after a high speed elevated train crash revealed substandard infrastructure. The minister of transportation was jailed. Then again while on a business trip in the UK many years ago I was attending a meeting that ran long and I missed my train. If I had made the departure I would have been in the Hatfield crash. My point is avoidable accidents unfortunately can happen anywhere.

After the China crash episode safety has been excellent. Caveat is that the CCP controls the news and social media so who can really know?               One point that irritates me here is that Chinese is not a race of people. If you believe that then you buy into the totalitarian state propaganda that pushes the concept of Zhongua-Minzu, the supra-ethnic concept of the Chinese nation.

The Chinese that westerners most commonly associate with China are Hanzu or Han people. China has over 70 ethnic people's such as Lisu, Dai, Naxi, Uyghur, Kazak, Uzbek, etc.

I for one am not racist against any fellow human. I highly regard my friends in Taiwan. They are Chinese and have maintained values and social structures that were destroyed by Mao.

I do despise the CCP-Chinese Communist Party and their minions of brainwashed followers. There are many Han in China that fight against the evil of the CCP at great risk and suffering. I could go on but I digress..... I guess they shipped the trains by containerships. Since the topic touches clean energy, an average container ship idling bunker fuel for 24 hours is equal to the exhaust of 22,000 cars idling for the same period (source is a study of unusually high cancer rates in children from Long Beach, California the largest U.S. container port). Let's hope that these new trains get more drivers off the roads as the ministries land transport, public health, and the Royal Thai Police are failing so miserably in reducing road death per Capita.

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Edited February 5, 2022 by RayOday