Rtwo Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 thats it? "NO MONEY LEFT" Did he not just purchase a home in Hong Kong for 23million? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyushin Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) Take away his grass root supporters and ill gained money? He is out ( retired, removed, banned) of politics. He still says things that could ceate problems for the country. Time to unplug him for good. What crap!?! ''I will fight to win back my dignity otherwise the country will lose its credibility. The country cannot move backwards. ''I have announced that I gave up politics. If they want to deal with me, they should do it within the scope of law, instead of using elements that are not recognised by the law, just to get rid of me,'' he said. Mr Thaksin said the freezing of his assets was a ploy to isolate the disbanded Thai Rak Thai party and send a signal that he was broke. Edited June 15, 2007 by ilyushin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Photograph from Thai Rath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Photographs from The Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Take away his grass root supporters and ill gained money? He is out ( retired, removed, banned) of politics. He still says things that could ceate problems for the country. Time to unplug him for good.What crap!?! ''I will fight to win back my dignity otherwise the country will lose its credibility. The country cannot move backwards. ''I have announced that I gave up politics. If they want to deal with me, they should do it within the scope of law, instead of using elements that are not recognised by the law, just to get rid of me,'' he said. Mr Thaksin said the freezing of his assets was a ploy to isolate the disbanded Thai Rak Thai party and send a signal that he was broke. Well he has not changed much, he still is addressing the crowd as if they are uneducated if the quoted comments are word for word. There is not much more I can say at this point except that this is another indication that education is key to seeing this cycle does not repeat again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) thats it? "NO MONEY LEFT" Did he not just purchase a home in Hong Kong for 23million? No. Has that been definitively determined?... there are lots of sources that say he did... and only his over-sized suited lawyer saying he didn't. Edited June 16, 2007 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 education is key to seeing this cycle does not repeat again. amen . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptech Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I really cannot understand why are there people supporting Thaksin after he and his family and friends and also key members of the Thai Rak Thai have stolen millions from this country. I am not saying that the current government is great or the democratic party is good but really these people who are staging these rallies and mobs are causing great destruction to this country and spoiling its image in the international arena. Give the CNS its year and wait till elections....if that does not happen...then rally. These supporters of Thaksin should be likened to people who would sell their mothers for a 100 baht. Also shouldn't the authorities check where the funds to support these rallies are coming from? Becuase of Thaksin....many foreigners are having problems... a) when his flight was rumoured to have a bomb a few years ago....they started imposing a rule that for all domestic flights you need passports. because of the sale of Shin group to Singapore, the company registration act nominees started to come under scrutiny. c) because of his links with Singapore, many Singaporean companies started coming into Thailand along with a huge workforce from Singapore.(you will be surprised if you were to check that a long of big Singapore companies over the last three years have both up a lot states in big corporations here and also set-up companies here and a lot of Singaporeans have joined the workforce here or bought second homes here and a lot are working here illegally. Also a lot of Singaporean criminals have set-up base here dealing in illegal casinos, illegal mlms, passport and credit card forgery, prostitution rackets, etc. As a result of that the immigration laws were tightened. d) His non-stop ramblings are causing great economical uncertainty because of the political mess it causes. Why don't somebody just get rid of him and his family totally. Why are the British, American and Singapore governments supporting him and his cronies indirectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I really cannot understand why are there people supporting Thaksin after he and his family and friends and also key members of the Thai Rak Thai have stolen millions from this country. I am not saying that the current government is great or the democratic party is good but really these people who are staging these rallies and mobs are causing great destruction to this country and spoiling its image in the international arena. Give the CNS its year and wait till elections....if that does not happen...then rally.These supporters of Thaksin should be likened to people who would sell their mothers for a 100 baht. Also shouldn't the authorities check where the funds to support these rallies are coming from? Becuase of Thaksin....many foreigners are having problems... a) when his flight was rumoured to have a bomb a few years ago....they started imposing a rule that for all domestic flights you need passports. because of the sale of Shin group to Singapore, the company registration act nominees started to come under scrutiny. c) because of his links with Singapore, many Singaporean companies started coming into Thailand along with a huge workforce from Singapore.(you will be surprised if you were to check that a long of big Singapore companies over the last three years have both up a lot states in big corporations here and also set-up companies here and a lot of Singaporeans have joined the workforce here or bought second homes here and a lot are working here illegally. Also a lot of Singaporean criminals have set-up base here dealing in illegal casinos, illegal mlms, passport and credit card forgery, prostitution rackets, etc. As a result of that the immigration laws were tightened. d) His non-stop ramblings are causing great economical uncertainty because of the political mess it causes. Why don't somebody just get rid of him and his family totally. Why are the British, American and Singapore governments supporting him and his cronies indirectly? While it would be nice to think that Mr. Thaksin and his supporters will just fade away, it is unlikely. The Brits and Americans are not really supporting him. Only yesterday the US ambassador to Thailand said that the US government did not agree with the Botts analysis and request for sanctions. The Brits are allowing him to stay as presumably he has a visa, and is not in breach of it. If he were to launch a real political offensive from the UK they may reconsider that, but at the moment he just snipes at the Thai government. His supporters at the demos will also not go away easily. Most of the main people involved are ex-Bangkok MPs who would have had and will have no political career without Mr. Thaksin. they need him to win or they are finished. Add in the 100 ex-NAP MPs from the Isaan who no longer have an alternative home to return to and you have a lot of people with some influence who will be nothing much without Mr. Thaksin and TRT. Luckily for stablility in the country his ex-voting base in the North and North East are mostly apathetic having seen the new government get the necessary assent. This isnt a simple problem to solve but hopefully after the next election the country will start to get back to normal. Certainly as soon as the vote is over the western countires will say back o normal. Things may still take a bit longer inside the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 thats it? "NO MONEY LEFT" Did he not just purchase a home in Hong Kong for 23million? No. Has that been definitively determined?... there are lots of sources that say he did... and only his over-sized suited lawyer saying he didn't. The same lawyer who, last I heard, claimed that the purchase of Manchester City F.C. was a done deal, and was still proceeding normally. Pity the club don't see it the same way. Hope the legal-beagle got his retainer in-cash in-advance ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llothar Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 The Brits are allowing him to stay as presumably he has a visa, and is not in breach of it. If he were to launch a real political offensive from the UK they may reconsider that, Why do think it is illegal to start a real political offensive against another country under military dictatorship from an exile? Sorry this seems to be very reasonable, moral and legal for me (speaking in general not in this particular case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madi Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/27395o Looks like more than 10,000 people in this picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madi Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Looks like more than 10,000 people in this picture. http://2bangkok.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 The Brits are allowing him to stay as presumably he has a visa, and is not in breach of it. If he were to launch a real political offensive from the UK they may reconsider that, Why do think it is illegal to start a real political offensive against another country under military dictatorship from an exile? Sorry this seems to be very reasonable, moral and legal for me (speaking in general not in this particular case). When you are a guest in a country I think there are things you cannot do which may interfere with the host countries diplomacy and relations with other countires or maybe you can do them but then the host country may not want you as a guest! Remember the west has pretty much restrained itself from criticisizing the current Thai government. There certainly hasnt been much sympathy for Mr. Thaksin or any call for a return of him to power, just some vague we hope for a swift return to democracy, which is what the Junta have said will happen. In this case it may well be academic if elections are held this year. We should also remember that Mr. Thaksin is not a refugee in the UK too. He is presumably on a tourist visa or family visit visa (his daughter studies in the UK I think, and he has also been told by the PM of Thailand that he can return whenever he wants although admittedly the military did intimate they may not be able to protect him as so many dislike him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Looks like more than 10,000 people in this picture.http://2bangkok.com/ I have heard 10,000 - 20,000 including a fair number of "curious onlookers" who dispersed after hearing the ex-PM talk. Fairly close up pictures from a low vantage point are not good for estimating numbers. Pictures from high up and further away are far more useful. We dont seem to have any of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Looks like more than 10,000 people in this picture.http://2bangkok.com/ Looks like about 1000 people in that shot ..... copy the pic ... enlarge it ... count heads in the tightest 1/10th of the crowd and you get just over 100. However in one of the pics above (with the big poster of Thaksin's face and the seated crowd it looks like it could be 10,000 or more people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 They still arent getting the numbers the PAD did. Lets hope they dont try to make up for it with a little over exuberance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Clifton Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 The Brits are allowing him to stay as presumably he has a visa, and is not in breach of it. If he were to launch a real political offensive from the UK they may reconsider that, Why do think it is illegal to start a real political offensive against another country under military dictatorship from an exile? Sorry this seems to be very reasonable, moral and legal for me (speaking in general not in this particular case). When you are a guest in a country I think there are things you cannot do which may interfere with the host countries diplomacy and relations with other countires or maybe you can do them but then the host country may not want you as a guest! Remember the west has pretty much restrained itself from criticisizing the current Thai government. There certainly hasnt been much sympathy for Mr. Thaksin or any call for a return of him to power, just some vague we hope for a swift return to democracy, which is what the Junta have said will happen. In this case it may well be academic if elections are held this year. We should also remember that Mr. Thaksin is not a refugee in the UK too. He is presumably on a tourist visa or family visit visa (his daughter studies in the UK I think, and he has also been told by the PM of Thailand that he can return whenever he wants although admittedly the military did intimate they may not be able to protect him as so many dislike him. I think China is most likely where he'll get pinched. He has been known to secretly meet with TRT members and PTV organisers there, probably even has a few corrupt Chinese govt. officials on the payroll too. PM Surayud has recently made a visit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Thai PM says willing to negotiate with ThaksinBy Khettiya Jittapong BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thai Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont said on Saturday he was ready to negotiate with his ousted predecessor, Thaksin Shinawatra, to defuse growing political tensions in the country Rest at: http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic...ia-303378-1.xml Looks like after T's restrained speech we could be back to the behind closed doors chats. That is unless soemthing untoward happens tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Looks like after T's restrained speech we could be back to the behind closed doors chats. That is unless soemthing untoward happens tonight. Like most I wasn't there and have not seen the video itself, however the contemporaneous posts in this thread {.. my stick bigger then your stick.. shouting at General Sonthi .. etc.} implied that the speech was less restrained than the present media 'overview'. Which viewpoint is real I wonder, any thoughts anyone? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) contemporaneous posts my stick bigger then your stick , i believe this is mine and it's out of context , was refering to BMA v's Taxi M/C's ..... never mind , I'm off to look up contemporaneous ..................... impressive Edited June 16, 2007 by Mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 contemporaneous posts my stick bigger then your stick , i believe this is mine and it's out of context , was refering to BMA v's Taxi M/C's ..... never mind , I'm off to look up contemporaneous ..................... impressive Thanks for the clarification, my, and I'm sure others, hope is that the speech was in fact measured and that it reduces the temperature. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclub75 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 What a circus... Rumors, counter rumors. The bottom line : the junta is still unable (or unwilling) to charge Thaksin. 8 months since Thaksin was ousted. What are the results of the investigations (dozen) against him and/or his regime ? Even for the most simple case (CTX scanners at the airport for instance), we are still nowhere. The ASC and dozen of committees and sub pannels "are working". Do you remember Kularb Kaew ? 1 year and half, the thai police is unable to say if this company was acting as... a nominee for Temasek... The list is endless. They are even unable to trace accuratly money movements inside Thailand ! Again, we have 2 solutions : -the junta hasn't a real will to investigate. If so, why ? -the junta is completly useless and brainless I think that the good answer is : both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 What a circus...Rumors, counter rumors. The bottom line : the junta is still unable (or unwilling) to charge Thaksin. 8 months since Thaksin was ousted. What are the results of the investigations (dozen) against him and/or his regime ? Let's see what happens when his fat cow wife goes to court on Monday.... She's first up on the hit parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaigene2 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 What a circus...Rumors, counter rumors. The bottom line : the junta is still unable (or unwilling) to charge Thaksin. 8 months since Thaksin was ousted. What are the results of the investigations (dozen) against him and/or his regime ? Even for the most simple case (CTX scanners at the airport for instance), we are still nowhere. The ASC and dozen of committees and sub pannels "are working". Do you remember Kularb Kaew ? 1 year and half, the thai police is unable to say if this company was acting as... a nominee for Temasek... The list is endless. They are even unable to trace accuratly money movements inside Thailand ! Again, we have 2 solutions : -the junta hasn't a real will to investigate. If so, why ? -the junta is completly useless and brainless I think that the good answer is : both. How about a third option: -they have indeed thought of all this, they have indeed traced all the thai assets, and have "helped" them relocate for the usual service fees of course. I'll bet my solution is more likely than your two <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 What a circus...Rumors, counter rumors. The bottom line : the junta is still unable (or unwilling) to charge Thaksin. 8 months since Thaksin was ousted. What are the results of the investigations (dozen) against him and/or his regime ? Let's see what happens when his fat cow wife goes to court on Monday.... She's first up on the hit parade. Assuming she's back from Singapore, of course. Regards PS Wouldn't just 'wife' be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclub75 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 How about a third option:-they have indeed thought of all this, they have indeed traced all the thai assets, and have "helped" them relocate for the usual service fees of course. I'll bet my solution is more likely than your two <_< Different wording but same idea. I think Thaksin was smart enough to give money not only to his partisans. But actually to all factions. By doing this, he has created a large network of little dirty secrets. Did you know for instance that he gave financial support to people inside the entourage of the royal family ? You should read again the statement that the Palace gave last year, very strong, against an aide of the Crown prince (who have been offered a job as adviser to Temasek). http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/28/..._Accusation.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Commenting {9 words I recall} on the financial links of Shin Corp and concerns raised by them are considered by many to have led to the eventual closing of the FEER, tread carefully as they say. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 The bottom line : the junta is still unable (or unwilling) to charge Thaksin.8 months since Thaksin was ousted. What are the results of the investigations (dozen) against him and/or his regime ? Even for the most simple case (CTX scanners at the airport for instance), we are still nowhere. The ASC and dozen of committees and sub pannels "are working". Err.., Cclub, did you not notice they have frozen his assets in preparation for prosecution in at least three cases? Do you remember how long it took to indict Ken Lay of Enron? Two years, not eight months. It took another two years to reach conviciton, four years altogether. Emperor Tud, Thaksin doesn't command 10,00 supporters - he PAYS them to attend. In fact we should't even use the word "supporter" - they are not supporters, Thaksin is their supporter. Attendance numbers are misleading if you want to compare PAD and the current rallies, during PAD days there were hundreds of thousands of people who wanted to come but couldn't, in PTV's case the majoirty of people do not want to see any more demonstrations, let alone join them, and those who come want to be paid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakanong Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 The Brits are allowing him to stay as presumably he has a visa, and is not in breach of it. If he were to launch a real political offensive from the UK they may reconsider that, Why do think it is illegal to start a real political offensive against another country under military dictatorship from an exile? Sorry this seems to be very reasonable, moral and legal for me (speaking in general not in this particular case). When you are a guest in a country I think there are things you cannot do which may interfere with the host countries diplomacy and relations with other countires or maybe you can do them but then the host country may not want you as a guest! Remember the west has pretty much restrained itself from criticisizing the current Thai government. There certainly hasnt been much sympathy for Mr. Thaksin or any call for a return of him to power, just some vague we hope for a swift return to democracy, which is what the Junta have said will happen. In this case it may well be academic if elections are held this year. We should also remember that Mr. Thaksin is not a refugee in the UK too. He is presumably on a tourist visa or family visit visa (his daughter studies in the UK I think, and he has also been told by the PM of Thailand that he can return whenever he wants although admittedly the military did intimate they may not be able to protect him as so many dislike him. "The Brits are allowing him to stay as presumably he has a visa, and is not in breach of it. If he were to launch a real political offensive from the UK they may reconsider that," We do have a proud and long tradition of letting our guests speak out against governments in other countries. Hope that never changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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