candide Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 59 minutes ago, relax33 said: Looks like you do not understand simple english Am just stating an opinion expressed by others It's nothing different from opinions expressed by yourself as they are humans too n they have the right to express n be heard .. Whether it 's true or not is up to the individual to judge .. But of course u do know that the Arms makers contribute a huge amount of funds to the presidential candidates of both parties during election time n they also contribute to lobbying groups to help canvass support for the different causes that they want to advance .. On equal measure, you will need to supply proof that every statement you make is correctly supported by facts for whatever agenda you will like to advance .. You can keep talking about the subject but this is the last time I will dwell on it as its's a plain waste of time talking to a wall .. Understand Ignorance can be blissful so do what makes you happy ... There are opinions and there are facts You can have whatever opinion you want but not your own facts. That's where the source credibility comes into play. OMG it reminds me the discussions we had with the MAGzA guys in the defunct world news forum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relax33 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Yet you said in the previous post it was a quote and I should take it up with the people who wrote it. You're a waste of space. done with your nonsense Its such a joke its's ludricrous I didn't even bother to look as the quotes were not made by me till you mention them .. "By many accounts these shipments of weapons like the Javelin anti-tank missile (jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin) are getting blown up as soon as they arrive in Ukraine. This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. The more weapons blown up by Russia in Ukraine, the more new orders come from the Pentagon. What we do see is that Russians are capturing modern US and NATO weapons by the ton and even using them to kill more Ukrainians. What irony. Also, what kinds of opportunities will be provided to terrorists, with thousands of tons of deadly high-tech weapons floating around Europe? Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine and no way to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys."-Bloomberg So this is what you took offense with .. It's an open fact that Javelin anti-tank missile is jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin so there's nothing to proof here .. The words "This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. " is super logical too.. Raytheon is in the business of producing weapons so of course the more the weapons are used, the happier it will be as it means more replenishment n more sales .. So of course they would not be bothered if the products are used, damaged or stolen for they are in the business to make $ for god's sake ... These companies are all listed so all you need to do is to look for their quarterly accounting statements to see how much $ they are making n obviously they will make way more $ during a war, that's why it is called a war right ... As for their weapons being captured by the enemy, of course this happens in war n is something even the US government will not dare guarantee that it will not happen ...!! The last part about "Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine" This is what the US has openly admitted too as they don't have people on the ground to track n the weapons are only openly distributed to the various generals in the Ukrainian army . And it's a known fact that is reported in the papers that some elements of the Ukranian army *eg the Azov Battalion) act autonomously n is not under the direct control of Zelensky. It was also reported that the US senate voted not to have arms supplied to the Azov Battalion prior to the war cause of their bad n cruel conduct ... Actually this entire extract had a bloomberg word at the end which suggested that the reader extracted it from Bloomberg so go pick holes it them if u r unhappy The other thing is that it's easy to call anything "Fake" but the world will be in mayhem if anyone can just call something "Fake" n get away with it ... Then 1+1 will not be 2 but will be any number I desire cos I can say the maths textbook is fake Then all newspapers n even this forum can close n universities can close too cos students need not study as they can just say their answer is right n the textbooks are fake ...... The fact is that there is propaganda every where as almost every media has a bias , so the onus is for the consumer to read more widely n to look at things from different perspectives to form a more rounded opinion .. The other thing is that the onus is on the person who say something is fake to prove that it is not fake since he's the one who chooses to pick holes with it, not the other way round .. So instead of lamely saying something is not "Black", go prove that it is not "Black" before you talk ... 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relax33 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, candide said: There are opinions and there are facts You can have whatever opinion you want but not your own facts. That's where the source credibility comes into play. OMG it reminds me the discussions we had with the MAGzA guys in the defunct world news forum.... You are right , don't shoot me as I am just the messenger boy .. ha Actually the extract about the Raytheon weapons that someone is picking holes with come with the Bloomberg tag on it so go find fault with Bloomberg if desired .. It's unfortunate that every media source has a bias these days so we have no choice but to try n read widely (if desired) n form our own opinion .. The BBC was recently given 70 mil by the British govt to make its reporting on the Ukraine war "more accurate" ahem = more politically correct .. This is reported in the papers so again pls don't shoot me for it eh ... 555 Edited May 13, 2022 by relax33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, relax33 said: It's blatantly obvious that the separation had been done by spacing them out. Each extracted quote represents an individual voice that deserves to be heard . I could edit it to cut each quote down to 3 sentences if needed but felt that would be a disrespectful breach of free speech n expression .. Have a funny feeling that it's a case of "reality hurts" that leads people to pick fault at how things were laid out when it's the content that matters most .. Hopefully, this is not the case .. What's blatantly obvious is that you refuse to link to sources. We should take it on faith that the people you cite are to be trusted. What don't you understand about the need to provide sources for evidence? You expect us to take the word of an anonymous member of thaivisa.com? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 11:11 PM, relax33 said: You are right , don't shoot me as I am just the messenger boy .. ha Actually the extract about the Raytheon weapons that someone is picking holes with come with the Bloomberg tag on it so go find fault with Bloomberg if desired .. .. The BBC was recently given 70 mil by the British govt to make its reporting on the Ukraine war "more accurate" ahem = more politically correct .. Stop inventing falsehoods. The BBC received nowhere near 70 million. Not in pounds, dollars, or Euros. BBC World Service to get extra £4.1m to support Ukrainian and Russian services The BBC World Service is to get £4.1m in extra funding to support its Ukrainian and Russian services, the government has announced. Ministers said the funding would “cover urgent and unexpected costs” that have arisen as a result of the invasion of Ukraine and would help the corporation to tackle disinformation “in the face of systemic propaganda”. Its extra costs include relocating many Russian-based staff out of the country to safe locations in a bid to comply with laws restricting the reporting of the war. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/23/bbc-world-service-to-get-extra-41m-to-support-ukrainian-and-russian-services 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, relax33 said: You are right , don't shoot me as I am just the messenger boy .. ha Actually the extract about the Raytheon weapons that someone is picking holes with come with the Bloomberg tag on it so go find fault with Bloomberg if desired .. It's unfortunate that every media source has a bias these days so we have no choice but to try n read widely (if desired) n form our own opinion .. The BBC was recently given 70 mil by the British govt to make its reporting on the Ukraine war "more accurate" ahem = more politically correct .. This is reported in the papers so again pls don't shoot me for it eh ... 555 BS! You are responsible for checking the information you convey! And once again, you don't quote your sources, and just try to have other posters losing their time finding the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 8 hours ago, relax33 said: Its such a joke its's ludricrous I didn't even bother to look as the quotes were not made by me till you mention them .. "By many accounts these shipments of weapons like the Javelin anti-tank missile (jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin) are getting blown up as soon as they arrive in Ukraine. This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. The more weapons blown up by Russia in Ukraine, the more new orders come from the Pentagon. What we do see is that Russians are capturing modern US and NATO weapons by the ton and even using them to kill more Ukrainians. What irony. Also, what kinds of opportunities will be provided to terrorists, with thousands of tons of deadly high-tech weapons floating around Europe? Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine and no way to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys."-Bloomberg So this is what you took offense with .. It's an open fact that Javelin anti-tank missile is jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin so there's nothing to proof here .. The words "This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. " is super logical too.. Raytheon is in the business of producing weapons so of course the more the weapons are used, the happier it will be as it means more replenishment n more sales .. So of course they would not be bothered if the products are used, damaged or stolen for they are in the business to make $ for god's sake ... These companies are all listed so all you need to do is to look for their quarterly accounting statements to see how much $ they are making n obviously they will make way more $ during a war, that's why it is called a war right ... As for their weapons being captured by the enemy, of course this happens in war n is something even the US government will not dare guarantee that it will not happen ...!! The last part about "Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine" This is what the US has openly admitted too as they don't have people on the ground to track n the weapons are only openly distributed to the various generals in the Ukrainian army . And it's a known fact that is reported in the papers that some elements of the Ukranian army *eg the Azov Battalion) act autonomously n is not under the direct control of Zelensky. It was also reported that the US senate voted not to have arms supplied to the Azov Battalion prior to the war cause of their bad n cruel conduct ... Actually this entire extract had a bloomberg word at the end which suggested that the reader extracted it from Bloomberg so go pick holes it them if u r unhappy The other thing is that it's easy to call anything "Fake" but the world will be in mayhem if anyone can just call something "Fake" n get away with it ... Then 1+1 will not be 2 but will be any number I desire cos I can say the maths textbook is fake Then all newspapers n even this forum can close n universities can close too cos students need not study as they can just say their answer is right n the textbooks are fake ...... The fact is that there is propaganda every where as almost every media has a bias , so the onus is for the consumer to read more widely n to look at things from different perspectives to form a more rounded opinion .. The other thing is that the onus is on the person who say something is fake to prove that it is not fake since he's the one who chooses to pick holes with it, not the other way round .. So instead of lamely saying something is not "Black", go prove that it is not "Black" before you talk ... 555 Whats the point of reading this when you have still not provided a link to your first post in which I highlighted just one snippet? "By many accounts these shipments of weapons like the Javelin anti-tank missile (jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin) are getting blown up as soon as they arrive in Ukraine." When you manage to actually get a link to that get back to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, relax33 said: What has been listed is so blatantly common sense that anyone can make the same statement n never need to be faulted Have also highlighted that it was an extract from BLOOMBERG , so that's your source, go hit them up if you are not happy ... You can read my other comments on the subject in the other reply i gave ..... On this very page here's what a moderator wrote: "If you quote or attribute something to a source, then post a link." https://aseannow.com/topic/1258840-asean-seeks-us-support-for-peace-efforts-in-ukraine/page/6/#comment-17357912 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted May 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, relax33 said: These are just opinions made by normal folks who read papers n are no different from those made by you n me !! So it's not like what they or anyone say should be treated like gospel for it would be extremely naive for anyone to be doing so .... In most countries, the age of 18 is where a person is supposed to enter adulthood societal wise.. Entering adulthood means having the ability to independently seek out information, read, infer n make up their own minds independently (really tempted to use the word "bloody" here though I know it's inappropriate) .. Incase I forget to state , i do not have an opinion on the matter n my opinion does not matter either .. i am just trying to make the content more meaningful by giving folks who don't have the time to read widely a semblance of what folks elsewhere might think .. As for the source, you should never restrict yourself to any one source that anyone provides to you n should develop the capacity n intellect to independently seek out n compare differing sources of information. As mentioned, it's from one of many American papers. Seek them out n look for those with feedback columns n u can see tons of comments like those i highlighted. And don't ever only restrict yourself to US media either .. Most online media will only keep the present day's version online so it's pointless giving you details of what was said several days or weeks ago cos you are not going to be able to trace them down even if the original link was provided ... Done n dusted .. Sorry i can't help if you still cannot comprehend what has been said .. 555 Even if your comments were valid, that is no defense for consistently presenting falsehoods. Like your claim that the BBC received 70 million from the UK government for Ukraine reporting. The actual amount in dollars was about 5 million. And your claim that it was to promote biased reporting cited no basis in fact. What is a fact is that the BBC had to move staff out of Russia or have them face imprisonment for reporting that Russia was waging war on the Ukraine. Or any other facts that displeased the Russian government. So part of the expense involves that. Edited May 14, 2022 by placeholder 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, relax33 said: But if you really insist, it's from Fox news but i doubt you can assess the page i read anymore as they only keep the latest daily online .. but don't ever restrict yourself only to that .. Have a nice weekend ... You just made a huge unforced error in your dishonest campaign of innuendos and falsehoods. You left yourself wide open to be disproven. Here are some fox articles about the Ukraine. All were published no later than a month ago. https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/russia-ukraine-us-allies-sanctions https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-ukraine-catastrophic-war https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-ukraine-crisis-what-to-know-putin https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/russian-forces-attack-kyiv-explosion-wracks-ukrainian-capital-live-updates And there are plenty more where these came from. Edited May 14, 2022 by placeholder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Troll posts and replies reported and removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Don't be silly, the US don't want peace in Ukraine. The are simple using Ukrainian lives to degrade the Russian military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 10:13 PM, ozimoron said: When a powerful country invades a much smaller and weaker nation should the whole world just stand back and do nothing? Should Australia not have helped Timor when it was invaded by Indonesia and massacres occurred? Should the US not have bombed Belgrade? What a lot of propaganda you have swallowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said: Don't be silly, the US don't want peace in Ukraine. The are simple using Ukrainian lives to degrade the Russian military. So the Kremlin talking point conspiracy theory goes. Sigh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Pedrogaz said: What a lot of propaganda you have swallowed. If you want a proper debate just put up a cogent argument. This is a troll post as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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