'We don't want UK-EU trade war' - Irish PM

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Micheál Martin says Ireland and the EU don't want a trade war with the UK

 

By Faisal Islam
Economics editor

 

A UK-EU trade war would be "shocking" and "unnecessary", the Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin has said.

 

He called on the UK government to "get into the tunnel and negotiate" over changes to the post-Brexit trade arrangements for Northern Ireland.

 

The Taoiseach told the BBC that Ireland and the European Union "do not want a trade war" with the UK.

 

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61583660

 

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[JonnyF]

If they don't want a trade war, the EU can start acting reasonably. There are a disproportionate number of checks being done on goods going to Northern Ireland as 'punishment' for Brexit. Over 20% of all EU checks are done on goods going to NI from GB. They are deliberately focusing as much energy as possible on this area and trying as hard as possible to detach NI from the UK.

 

Disgraceful behaviour from our 'friends and partners' in the EU. Personally I would scrap the whole agreement, but I will setlle for over-riding key parts of the agreement for now. If that means a trade war, so be it.

 

 

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

Well tell your mates in Brussels not to start one then.

[John harrison]

The Brexit Protocol is part of an International agreement that Boris & Co signed with the EU.  British now prepared to breach that International agreement.

Let’s just all threaten each other with breaking international law. Makes for really good world partnerships in the future.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, John harrison said:

The Brexit Protocol is part of an International agreement that Boris & Co signed with the EU.  British now prepared to breach that International agreement.

Let’s just all threaten each other with breaking international law. Makes for really good world partnerships in the future.

Let's say we're going to act in good faith, then try to annex one part of the UK from the rest of the UK by abusing an agreement that we pretended was there to maintain peace on the island of Ireland.

 

Makes for great future relations.

[John harrison]

It's about aderance to International law and the obligations that come with it that sets Britain apart from rogue states and dictatorships 

The Brexit signed agreement between Britain & the EU is now part of International Law and lodged with the UN.  

 

 

 

[vinny41]

No, Britain is not breaking international law on the NI Protocol

Article 16 of the treaty allows us to take appropriate measures in response to the EU's unreasonableness

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/19/no-britain-not-breaking-international-law-ni-protocol/

 

I can remeber when the EU wanted to invoked Article 16

Commission's move to trigger Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol on 29 January.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196152-coronavirus-vaccine/

[John harrison]

It's about aderance to International law and the obligations that come with it that sets Britain apart from rogue states and dictatorships 

The Brexit signed agreement between Britain & the EU is now part of International Law and lodged with the UN.  

 

 

 

[John harrison]

Strange how the NI economy is out performing the rest of the UK. Oops says No 10, we can't have that...

[vinny41]

League table of countries that break International law

 

Would the USA hold the number 1 spot

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, John harrison said:

It's about aderance to International law and the obligations that come with it that sets Britain apart from rogue states and dictatorships 

The Brexit signed agreement between Britain & the EU is now part of International Law and lodged with the  UN

 

 

 

I think you will find it the Good Friday agreement that is lodged with the High Commissioner for Human Rights  not the Brexit agreement  

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, John harrison said:

It's about aderance to International law and the obligations that come with it that sets Britain apart from rogue states and dictatorships 

The Brexit signed agreement between Britain & the EU is now part of International Law and lodged with the UN.  

 

 

 

And part of that agreement is the clause in the Northern Ireland Protecol ( clause 16?) which allows the Protecol to be suspended if it is abused by either Party. The Protecol is being abused by the excessive scope of the level of checks demanded on the " Irish Sea border" - some 200% greater than on any other EU external border. The EU is using the Protocol as a big stick, to interfere in UK internal affairs, as a punishment for the recalcitrance of the UK in daring to leave the Union. Clause 16 was written in, and agreed by both sides, to prevent such abuses happening.

[John harrison]

5 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I think you will find it the Good Friday agreement that is lodged with the High Commissioner for Human Rights  not the Brexit agreement  

United Nations, not Human Rights.????

[John harrison]

5 minutes ago, John harrison said:

United Nations, not Human Rights.????

To confirm I can give the direct email of the UN section if you wish...

[John harrison]

There is widespread support for the Protocol throughout NI from all Elected Parties and Businesses. Why not. Best of both options, trade with EU and Britain, plus open border on the Island of Ireland. What's there not to like. ??

One party is opposed to the Protocol, the DUP, but they have a hidden agenda In relation to the First Ministers job...prolong the manafactured dispute for 6 months to force another election hoping next time DUP will get the First Ministers job. Majority in NI voted against Brexit...it was forced upon the people without consent. Only solution to this ongoing dispute is a referendum on the Protocol within NI...let's ask the populace, Protocol, Yes or No.

My prediction is Yes. At the end of the day it's all about jobs and cash in the pocket, not lines on a map, emblems or flags.

[arithai12]

15 hours ago, JonnyF said:

....Disgraceful behaviour from our 'friends and partners' in the EU. ....

While I am not especially fond of the EU in matters of economy and trade, if memory serves me right it was the UK who first pedaled back on the agreement. First they undersigned that there would be custom checks at sea bewteeen NI and the rest of UK (already a ridiculous measure drafted by clueless burocrats on both sides), then they decided unilaterally that this was not acceptable.

 

I suppose this is "graceful behaviour" instead?

 

 

[John harrison]

MLAs in both Scotland and Wales have regularly expressed a desire to have the same negotiated deal as Northern Ireland. 

[RayC]

If the Brexit deal is unilaterally scrapped by the UK, it will effectively  put pay to any lingering hopes of a UK-US free trade deal for the foreseeable future. The UK will then have effectively alienated its' 3 biggest trading partners (The EU, the US and China). Doesn't seem like much of a Brexit bonus to me.

 

In any event, it is not as though this problem could not be foreseen. The DUP warned throughout the Brexit negotiations that a border down the North Sea was unacceptable to them but the UK government chose to ignore this warning. The problem is of the UK government's own making. Sadly, it is another example of it not taking responsibility and accountability for its' actions.

Edited May 26, 2022 by RayC
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[candide]

17 hours ago, JonnyF said:

If they don't want a trade war, the EU can start acting reasonably. There are a disproportionate number of checks being done on goods going to Northern Ireland as 'punishment' for Brexit. Over 20% of all EU checks are done on goods going to NI from GB. They are deliberately focusing as much energy as possible on this area and trying as hard as possible to detach NI from the UK.

 

Disgraceful behaviour from our 'friends and partners' in the EU. Personally I would scrap the whole agreement, but I will setlle for over-riding key parts of the agreement for now. If that means a trade war, so be it.

It's a convincing argument. However, as usual, it is an unsubstantiated claim....

 

https://factcheckni.org/topics/economy/do-20-of-eu-customs-checks-take-place-in-the-irish-sea/

[candide]

5 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

And part of that agreement is the clause in the Northern Ireland Protecol ( clause 16?) which allows the Protecol to be suspended if it is abused by either Party. The Protecol is being abused by the excessive scope of the level of checks demanded on the " Irish Sea border" - some 200% greater than on any other EU external border. The EU is using the Protocol as a big stick, to interfere in UK internal affairs, as a punishment for the recalcitrance of the UK in daring to leave the Union. Clause 16 was written in, and agreed by both sides, to prevent such abuses happening.

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

It's a convincing argument. However, as usual, it is an unsubstantiated claim....

 

https://factcheckni.org/topics/economy/do-20-of-eu-customs-checks-take-place-in-the-irish-sea/

There is no abuse. It's just DUP's propaganda. 

[wombat]

You may not ...the EU sure as does.

Anything EU can do to spank UK for leaving then Brussels will.

[vinny41]

14 hours ago, John harrison said:

It's about aderance to International law and the obligations that come with it that sets Britain apart from rogue states and dictatorships 

The Brexit signed agreement between Britain & the EU is now part of International Law and lodged with the UN.  

 

 

 

Why don't you provide a link to support your post

[vinny41]

Here the link for the UN treaty collection Depositary

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/Home.aspx?clang=_en

 

Not that it matters as various countries choose to ignore them when it suits them including the EU and the

USA

The U.S. Makes a Mockery of Treaties and International Law

https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/the-u-s-makes-a-mockery-of-treaties-and-international-law/

 

The rule of law is breaking down in the EU

There are 27 member states in the EU. Two have now declared they are not bound by EU law. Based on the law as set out in the treaty each member state signs when it joins the EU, that means both countries are in breach of international law.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-law-is-breaking-down-in-the-eu

[candide]

Actually, UK is still unable to implement its post-Brexit border check system! ????

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-outsource-border-check-eu-brexit/