A French city approved burkinis in its pools. Then the backlash came

[Excel]

50 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Muslim women in France are under no such repression and so if they choose to wear Hijabs, etc they are obviously doing it of their own volition.

 

You have not provided links to verify your photos authenticity, origin or age.

What next you want the names and address of the women also ? ????

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Excel said:

What next you want the names and address of the women also ? ????

you are admitting your photos are fake and out of context?

[Rimmer]

A post making many unattributed claims has been removed

[KhunLA]

Food for thought ...  Miss America (Christians) Swimsuit competition ????

 

Burkinis on sale ...

 

[JayBird]

The burkini reminds me of what white women wore at the beaches in the 30s.

 

But they also had a parasol.

[bert bloggs]

11 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

If a women wishes to wear a “burkini” in the pool they should be allowed to. Any law preventing this is rooted in prejudice. 

So muslims must be predjudiced,as women cant wear

 Bikinies in muslim countrys ,and in many ot allowed to go out without a male relative escort,or drive in some.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Muslim women in France are under no such repression and so if they choose to wear Hijabs, etc they are obviously doing it of their own volition.

 

You have not provided links to verify your photos authenticity, origin or age.

What about full burqa though. I can see a logic to banning them. It’s not ideal to ban something but I am guessing most French Muslim woman would be happy with that ban. 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

What about full burqa though. I can see a logic to banning them. It’s not ideal to ban something but I am guessing most French Muslim woman would be happy with that ban. 

It's still a matter for the Muslim community itself to sort out. Imagine what would happen if Muslims started telling Christians what to wear? It's also off topic here because the "burkini" doesn't resemble a burqua headdress at all, it's really a hijab.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's still a matter for the Muslim community itself to sort out. Imagine what would happen if Muslims started telling Christians what to wear? It's also off topic here because the "burkini" doesn't resemble a burqua headdress at all, it's really a hijab.

I take your point that the burkini is no big deal. The first sentence though  I am not so sure. If the Muslim community, clearly controlled by men, said women cannot leave the home or be educated there would be an outcry. No doubt that does happen sometimes in different religions but should often not be tolerated. I think the full burqa is close to a human rights issue. These issues are not necessarily about personal choice or something for the community to work out where, for  a significant subset of muslims, half the community dominates the second half. 
 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I take your point that the burkini is no big deal. The first sentence though  I am not so sure. If the Muslim community, clearly controlled by men, said women cannot leave the home or be educated there would be an outcry. No doubt that does happen sometimes in different religions but should often not be tolerated. I think the full burqa is close to a human rights issue. These issues are not necessarily about personal choice or something for the community to work out where, for  a significant subset of muslims, half the community dominates the second half. 
 

I completely agree but there is such things are happening in France on a significant scale and it is off topic here. This topic is about far right outrage over a swimsuit.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I take your point that the burkini is no big deal. The first sentence though  I am not so sure. If the Muslim community, clearly controlled by men, said women cannot leave the home or be educated there would be an outcry. No doubt that does happen sometimes in different religions but should often not be tolerated. I think the full burqa is close to a human rights issue. These issues are not necessarily about personal choice or something for the community to work out where, for  a significant subset of muslims, half the community dominates the second half. 
 

I agree but the full burqua is already banned in France so not an issue there

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

So muslims must be predjudiced,as women cant wear

 Bikinies in muslim countrys ,and in many ot allowed to go out without a male relative escort,or drive in some.

This thread is about French citizens in France  being allowed to wear the swimwear of their choice.

 

To forbid such a choice because of thinking based in prejudice is wrong. 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Bluespunk

[cncltd1973]

Muslim men have little regard for women or their rights, and France prides itself in being a frontrunner in society and setting the pace for rights. I feel another contradiction coming on.

Edited June 21, 2022 by cncltd1973

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, cncltd1973 said:

Muslim men have little regard for women or their rights, and France prides itself in being a frontrunner in society and setting the pace for rights. I feel another contradiction coming on.

Don't know about France, but that's a generalization I don't find to be true here.  Been down south, strolling around the mall, in predominantly Muslim towns, and don't see that attitude at all.  Chickies strolling around, no hubby in site, looking kind of hot.

 

Granted, conservatively attired, (compared to embarrassing western heathens) as that is the Muslim belief, but nothing looking forced or oppressed.  Exemplifying ... 'less is more', as some smokin' hot cuties were out & about.

 

Quite eye opening actually, as I was under the same impression of many, since a bit ignorant myself, with no actual experience. Now realizing how silly the bigoted rhetoric really is.

 

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain

Edited June 21, 2022 by KhunLA

[Scott]

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[RocketDog]

On 6/19/2022 at 10:55 PM, ozimoron said:

They are not "forcing" you or anybody else to wear anything. They are wearing what THEY want. What you are doing is forcing your dress requirements on them.

 

Freedom of religion includes freedom to dress how they want. How does it hurt you that they dress in a particular way?

There is no true 'freedom of religion' in countries with a predominantly large Muslim population. This is not a coincidence. Do you know of any Muslim countries with a democratic form of government and a large degree of tolerance for other religions or cultures ?

 

The French are belatedly trying desperately to hold the line against the inevitable Muslim takeover of the country. Letting so many Muslim immigrants into their country and making them citizens with voting rights sealed their fate and led to this outcome.

It's simply hard to admit the mistake they made and its consequences. High birthrates among immigrants compared to native French guarantee a demographic shift that can only end in a Muslim majority and the imposition of sharia law as they are elected to office.

The French believed the immigrants would assimilate into  French culture without understanding that the entire history of Islam disputes that. It's the same silly notion America had about democratizing Muslim countries in the Middle East and even earlier about Vietnam and China. It's pretty clear how that's worked out.

 

In actual fact it will be the French culture that will be subsumed. The easiest way to conquer a country is to simply slowly replace its population/culture with your own. In a nominally democratic country the voters control the government and create the culture.

 

It's not a question of religion, but one of culture. The culture and history of Islam is to assimilate, not to be assimilated. It's not an organized effort, it's an organic effect like water eroding the hardest stone over time.

 

Some will see my post as bigotry. Before you squeal spend some time looking at the statistics, the last two decades of French immigration policy, and the rapid rise of the Muslim population and the social unrest it has caused. If you have German or French expat friends ask them how their homeland has changed in the last ten years.

 

Any effective efforts to reverse this trend will be met with 'woke' outrage, accusations of racism, and platitudes like you expressed,  so it's a done deal for France.

[RocketDog]

On 6/20/2022 at 10:58 PM, Bluespunk said:

This thread is about French citizens in France  being allowed to wear the swimwear of their choice.

 

To forbid such a choice because of thinking based in prejudice is wrong. 

A few years ago a Muslim immigrant to America went to court with a state government because she was denied a driver's license photo in her full burqua with eye slits only. She lost her case.

 

In a number of western countries people in full burqua are not allowed to enter banks because they are indistinguishable from robbers and can easily be hiding assault weapons. .

 

Just a matter of clothing choice, no?

 

Decisions based on prejudice are not necessarily wrong decisions.

[Bluespunk]

43 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

A few years ago a Muslim immigrant to America went to court with a state government because she was denied a driver's license photo in her full burqua with eye slits only. She lost her case.

 

In a number of western countries people in full burqua are not allowed to enter banks because they are indistinguishable from robbers and can easily be hiding assault weapons. .

 

Just a matter of clothing choice, no?

 

Decisions based on prejudice are not necessarily wrong decisions.

Yeah because identifying people is so important when swimming... oh wait ... hang on... a burkini is full face showing. Well there you go, pools are safe once more... 

Edited June 30, 2022 by Bluespunk

[ozimoron]

48 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

There is no true 'freedom of religion' in countries with a predominantly large Muslim population. This is not a coincidence. Do you know of any Muslim countries with a democratic form of government and a large degree of tolerance for other religions or cultures ?

 

The French are belatedly trying desperately to hold the line against the inevitable Muslim takeover of the country. Letting so many Muslim immigrants into their country and making them citizens with voting rights sealed their fate and led to this outcome.

It's simply hard to admit the mistake they made and its consequences. High birthrates among immigrants compared to native French guarantee a demographic shift that can only end in a Muslim majority and the imposition of sharia law as they are elected to office.

The French believed the immigrants would assimilate into  French culture without understanding that the entire history of Islam disputes that. It's the same silly notion America had about democratizing Muslim countries in the Middle East and even earlier about Vietnam and China. It's pretty clear how that's worked out.

 

In actual fact it will be the French culture that will be subsumed. The easiest way to conquer a country is to simply slowly replace its population/culture with your own. In a nominally democratic country the voters control the government and create the culture.

 

It's not a question of religion, but one of culture. The culture and history of Islam is to assimilate, not to be assimilated. It's not an organized effort, it's an organic effect like water eroding the hardest stone over time.

 

Some will see my post as bigotry.

 

They will. There is no way that Muslims will replace the population of France or any other western nation. Your opinions are classic xenophobia.

 

What's more, if they did manage to become the majority then they would deserve to control the government and I can't see anything wrong with that. Bogans in Australia like to think that immigrants should adopt Australian "culture" whatever that is. It's just an anti immigrant dog whistle.

 

48 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Before you squeal spend some time looking at the statistics, the last two decades of French immigration policy, and the rapid rise of the Muslim population and the social unrest it has caused. If you have German or French expat friends ask them how their homeland has changed in the last ten years.

 

Any effective efforts to reverse this trend will be met with 'woke' outrage, accusations of racism, and platitudes like you expressed,  so it's a done deal for France.

 

[GarryP]

On 6/20/2022 at 8:37 AM, James105 said:

So why don't the men wear one too if it is a religious symbol?  Could it be that it is nothing whatsoever to do with religion but to do with control and forced modesty perhaps?  

Let's have a look at those Islamic countries such as Egypt, Iraq and Iran. Before the extreme Islamists came to power, women were free to wear what they wanted in those countries. Women are fighting for their right not to wear head coverings in Iran to this day and being locked up for it. They even have religious police to make sure everyone follows the edicts issued by the Islamic leaders. Now tell me that all the women in thse countries wear head coverings because they wish to. Only when all Islamic countries allow freedom of dress should the nijab be allowed in secular countries. Also, with indoctrination since childhood, it is no wonder some women say that it is their choice. They don't know any better. 

 

 

[Scott]

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